That was criminal.

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That's a false assumption that skeptics always apply to anything conspiratorial. You only need a relatively small number of people in certain positions to be in on it. This applies to business and government. The few leakers who may have proof can easily be shut up or coerced by various methods. This is an indisputable fact of world history.

Most people don't want to risk their livelihood or reputation that may be on the line by standing up to the machine, that is human nature.
You need every ref in on it. You need the TV directors in on it. You need communications techs in on it. You need all the billionaire owners in on it. You need various NFL execs in on it. And so on. For how long has this manipulation gone on? People come and go in those positions and there’s been no whistleblowers. It’s absurd to think that many people can keep the secret for so long. That doesn’t happen in reality.
 

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You need every ref in on it. You need the TV directors in on it. You need communications techs in on it. You need all the billionaire owners in on it. You need various NFL execs in on it. And so on. For how long has this manipulation gone on? People come and go in those positions and there’s been no whistleblowers. It’s absurd to think that many people can keep the secret for so long. That doesn’t happen in reality.
Non disclosure agreements are a thing. That said you don't need every ref in on it. You don't need communication techs in on it. Billionaire owners and execs aren't going to sacrifice their revenue for the sake of honesty with nothing to gain and possibly much to lose.
 

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You need every ref in on it. You need the TV directors in on it. You need communications techs in on it. You need all the billionaire owners in on it. You need various NFL execs in on it. And so on. For how long has this manipulation gone on? People come and go in those positions and there’s been no whistleblowers. It’s absurd to think that many people can keep the secret for so long. That doesn’t happen in reality.
They only really need the guys who are talking to the refs through the ear pieces.

What is a new or even head ref going to do, say screw you NFL, I am calling it a penalty anyways...and lose thier job.

The best example of this is when the refs pick up the flag and say "There was no foul on the play".

The ref saw the infraction, thats why he threw the flag. But the boys upstairs ain't having it.
 

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They only really need the guys who are talking to the refs through the ear pieces.

What is a new or even head ref going to do, say screw you NFL, I am calling it a penalty anyways...and lose thier job.

The best example of this is when the refs pick up the flag and say "There was no foul on the play".

The ref saw the infraction, thats why he threw the flag. But the boys upstairs ain't having it.
I don’t remember the play or the exact situation but one of the flags they picked up, a Buccaneers player pointed to the screen and said look and the ref actually looked up at the screen to see the replay and watched the play over and then they picked up the flag. This 100% is not supposed to happen.
 

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I don’t remember the play or the exact situation but one of the flags they picked up, a Buccaneers player pointed to the screen and said look and the ref actually looked up at the screen to see the replay and watched the play over and then they picked up the flag. This 100% is not supposed to happen.
Lol Non of it is supposed to happen. Its supposed to be a 100% fair game.

In the 1920's The NFL went from being classified as a sport (where they legally had to follow the rules) to being legally classified as entertainment...where anything goes.

Fun fact, Because its entertainment is the reason why the NFL has to say before every game "This is a PRESENTATION of the National Football League". Presentation means "a play" like theater.
 

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I don’t remember the play or the exact situation but one of the flags they picked up, a Buccaneers player pointed to the screen and said look and the ref actually looked up at the screen to see the replay and watched the play over and then they picked up the flag. This 100% is not supposed to happen.
That was the hit on Geno when he gave himself up just short of the first down. The penalty would have given a first.
 

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I don’t remember the play or the exact situation but one of the flags they picked up, a Buccaneers player pointed to the screen and said look and the ref actually looked up at the screen to see the replay and watched the play over and then they picked up the flag. This 100% is not supposed to happen.
Saw that. The refs were talking, then the ref watched the slowmo replay and the flag was picked up.
 

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there’s also things the NFL can do to make improvements or improve and debunk stuff like this thread but they don’t.

They’ve always stayed as much as possible or away from within reason technology. Why can sports where the ball moves much fast and erratic track their balls but the NFL can’t. Would make spotting more accurate and efficient. But they don’t. Why do they selectively always hype “all these cameras” but then when they want to show replayed they’re always the most inconvenient one.

Or why to do they shy away from removing or honing in rules that officials have discretion or are subjective, like wtf is a catch. How many times have we seen that play out this year with different results and answers. OR Simply full time officials?

They don’t do any of this because then it means penalties would have to be called otherwise they’d get criticized when they’re over looked or not called.


Refs shouldn’t also egg on and bait players into penalties without a dock in pay.
And as per the image those officials should be fined and fired but they’re not. The NFL quickly “protected” their own.

Or how about the uptick in the last two years in sports betting ads. This is the biggest red flag. And overall the “quality” of officiating got worse and worse.

Why did Aaron Rogers cry about the replacement refs and the simultaneous catch? Because those officials at least a few on that crew studied the rules and actually applied it, instead of going with the narrative and steer. What happened next? NFL made sure to go back to the guys who make their product money, make the calls the NFL WANTS
 

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They only really need the guys who are talking to the refs through the ear pieces.

What is a new or even head ref going to do, say screw you NFL, I am calling it a penalty anyways...and lose thier job.

The best example of this is when the refs pick up the flag and say "There was no foul on the play".

The ref saw the infraction, thats why he threw the flag. But the boys upstairs ain't having it.
So you're saying the refs are in on it?
 

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Non disclosure agreements are a thing. That said you don't need every ref in on it. You don't need communication techs in on it. Billionaire owners and execs aren't going to sacrifice their revenue for the sake of honesty with nothing to gain and possibly much to lose.
And how exactly do they relay the info to the ref? What real time comms technology do you know of that doesn't need monitoring and repair?

Again billionaire owners aren't going to devalue their own brand so other billionaires can have theirs increase in value.
 

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So you're saying the refs are in on it?
They could be, but they don't have to be with who ever they are listening to in those ears pieces. But who ever they talking to is running the show with picking up those flags.
 

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They could be, but they don't have to be with who ever they are listening to in those ears pieces. But who ever they talking to is running the show with picking up those flags.
So you don't think that refs who listen to the voice in their ear that changes their rulings are in on it? If they're not in on it, why have none of them blown the whistle?
 

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I once knew a guy that owned a major casino in LV. About as "connected" as anyone could be. I once asked him if he felt football is or could be fixed. Quickly he replied " not a chance, too many people, too many components. Total headache". I instantly told myself " Of course he's going to say that".

He sensed that in me and said...
"But don't bet on baseball". So of course I asked him about baseball and he replied " all we need is an ump with a daughter that wants to go to college and a willingness to get creative with his strike zone".

Whether any of that is fact or not...I have no way of knowing. But never will I bet on baseball.
 
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It’s a CoNSpiRaCY!?! 😆

You need every ref in on it. You need the TV directors in on it. You need communications techs in on it. You need all the billionaire owners in on it. You need various NFL execs in on it. And so on. For how long has this manipulation gone on? People come and go in those positions and there’s been no whistleblowers. It’s absurd to think that many people can keep the secret for so long. That doesn’t happen in reality.
here's the thing. It really doesn't have to be some giant conspiracy. you just need a select few refs subtly steering games. There's not going to be much of a problem about them leak anything because it would mean federal prison for all involved.

Refs can have huge influence by choosing when to call holding. Holding is on every play but if refs want they can create things and screw teams over.

Sometimes you can overcome the rigging, sometimes you can't. But it certainly seems to be happening
 

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here's the thing. It really doesn't have to be some giant conspiracy. you just need a select few refs subtly steering games. There's not going to be much of a problem about them leak anything because it would mean federal prison for all involved.

Refs can have huge influence by choosing when to call holding. Holding is on every play but if refs want they can create things and screw teams over.

Sometimes you can overcome the rigging, sometimes you can't. But it certainly seems to be happening
No federal prison because the NFL is legally classified as entertainment. Anything goes.
 

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So you don't think that refs who listen to the voice in their ear that changes their rulings are in on it? If they're not in on it, why have none of them blown the whistle?
The refs want to keep their jobs. If you ratted on your boss, would he keep you around? No.

2 people could be in on it or 2 million, they aint talking.

I know you think NDAs are not a big deal and somebody would break...but you are not paying the bill for them talking...they are.
 
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No federal prison because the NFL is legally classified as entertainment. Anything goes.
even so I believe manipulating gambling lines would make it fraud. Look what happned to the ref in the nba he went to prison
 

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Semantics difference, I guess. imo "rigging" makes sure you CANNOT win, "steering" is when they make it really tough for you to win.
And EITHER WAY you're up against BIASED Officiating, and THAT is Cheating the players out of FAIRNESS
 

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Lol Non of it is supposed to happen. Its supposed to be a 100% fair game.

In the 1920's The NFL went from being classified as a sport (where they legally had to follow the rules) to being legally classified as entertainment...where anything goes.

Fun fact, Because its entertainment is the reason why the NFL has to say before every game "This is a PRESENTATION of the National Football League". Presentation means "a play" like theater.
"When someone gives a presentation, they give a formal talk, often in order to sell something or get support for a proposal. She gave bosses a Powerpoint presentation of what she planned to do. I always ask how much time I have to make my presentation."

it means to sell the game to us. It does not always mean its fake or a play.
 
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Would a couple of coaches saying its fake help you believe? The Clevland Browns and Miami head coach admitted it a couple of years back. So yeah, you are right there are leaks. Plus plenty of players have said its rigged.

Look into it, its worth the time.

Also Dwight Smith said it was but he also believes in other odd takes as well.

Thats the only guy besided Benny Cunningham who said he was joking.
 

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