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AbsolutNET":log0uglr said:Seems like the only way it "creates a tough spot" is for people who are uncomfortable around homosexuality. That's on them, isn't it?
Spokane":tf9lqri1 said:AbsolutNET":tf9lqri1 said:Seems like the only way it "creates a tough spot" is for people who are uncomfortable around homosexuality. That's on them, isn't it?
I can see what you are saying but not in real life...
jkitsune":3edqeb1l said:I strongly disagree with your perception, Spokane, but you've taken pains to present it in a reasonable light so I'll try my best to respond in a reasonable light.
Clearly there is going to be some difficulty for the first gay player and the first team with an openly gay player. In my opinion, this is absolutely no different than the first black player and the first team with a black player. Was that 'selfish' because race was brought into the sport? Or was that a wholly positive thing for the sport in the long run? I would argue the latter. Fear and hatred of homosexuality in the public at large should not be a reason for players to feel they need to hide the fact that they're gay, and while I don't think that a player's homosexuality should be newsworthy, it currently is. And it won't stop being newsworthy until we stop making the same heteronormative assumptions.
So while I agree that it will cause some difficulties in the short run, that doesn't mean that in the long run this isn't a battle worth having. I'm glad he's out. I hope he lands on a team, because this is a fight worth having.
Spokane":qvrwrjpy said:AbsolutNET":qvrwrjpy said:Seems like the only way it "creates a tough spot" is for people who are uncomfortable around homosexuality. That's on them, isn't it?
I can see what you are saying but not in real life. The owners have so much money, power and people loving up on them for all the good they do...the LAST thing anyone of them wants is their named dragged through the mud. That is why companies have so many different levels of managment however only one guy at the top is really in charge.
Church and Golf
The owners have so much cash and so little time left in life that all they want to do is give and play!
This topic will be laughed at the club house and questioned at church (even though nobody should judge)
These two areas can be everything to these owners! They are unwilling to have one pawn create a joke at the owners expense in the locker room at the club house....aint going to happen!
Clemons said it was bad for the team, in real time it puts one guy above the rest (Think Tebow). He knows and lives through it. We can't question someone who is walking in his shoes without looking blind.
Sales will go down. Jokes will go up. Nobody wants to be the butt of a joke...the team who picks up a gay is DONE!
Fans are no joke, they will bring the heat to the whole team. ALL DAY, would you want that? Nobody wants to deal with other people's crap. You think the locker room will be a sweet place for him after getting the team cussed out everytime they walk out?
Like Clemons said, its selfish to "come out" and I think the gays understand that - so they don't.
Spokane":20ygcf4n said:The BIG idea out there is the moment that a team says yes to a gay, they are forcing the fans to pick between the Bible and supporting that players actions. If the concern is true the owners know It will be a ghost city in the stands. That idea may seem like a small issue to you but I believe the owners have done the research and put the muzzle on!
SonicHawk":1gme537j said:It's not selfish for a gay player to come out. It's selfish of you to care that much about it.
This is how it should go:
NFL Player: "Hi, this is my boyfriend John"
You: "Hi, John, so NFL Player, way to grab an interception for a TD last night!"
You want to try it with a straight player?
NFL Player: "Hi, this is my girlfriend Shananay"
You: "Hi, Shanananananay? so NFL Player, way to grab an interception for a TD last night!"
AbsolutNET":2bd1n04t said:Spokane":2bd1n04t said:AbsolutNET":2bd1n04t said:Seems like the only way it "creates a tough spot" is for people who are uncomfortable around homosexuality. That's on them, isn't it?
I can see what you are saying but not in real life...
So a gay athlete should pretend to be straight until he is out of the league? He isn't allowed to engage in an open romantic relationship while playing?
SonicHawk":2ez6zyla said:It's not selfish for a gay player to come out. It's selfish of you to care that much about it.
This is how it should go:
NFL Player: "Hi, this is my boyfriend John"
You: "Hi, John, so NFL Player, way to grab an interception for a TD last night!"
You want to try it with a straight player?
NFL Player: "Hi, this is my girlfriend Shananay"
You: "Hi, Shanananananay? so NFL Player, way to grab an interception for a TD last night!"
Uncle Si":b4rm249i said:SonicHawk":b4rm249i said:It's not selfish for a gay player to come out. It's selfish of you to care that much about it.
This is how it should go:
NFL Player: "Hi, this is my boyfriend John"
You: "Hi, John, so NFL Player, way to grab an interception for a TD last night!"
You want to try it with a straight player?
NFL Player: "Hi, this is my girlfriend Shananay"
You: "Hi, Shanananananay? so NFL Player, way to grab an interception for a TD last night!"
there is some merit to this (rather simple little hypothetical conversation)... while the ESPN generation (anyone over 30 to about 50 really) is consumed/concerned/falling over backwards to accept or reject the notion of a homosexual in sports, our children are growing up without the same reservations.
While Collins step up might be lauded (or criticized) by an aging adult generation, it seems the kids of today just dont care.
I may be off, but I just think that Collins stepped through a door that a decade from now wont even be something we look back on as "brave". That generation has already learned to accept it (popularly atleast).
Or am I off?
Spokane":whvahtfx said:Yes the first of anything is tough and controversial! The key to this whole topic is that the media wants this to happen not the sports world. Everybody and their dog are hush hush on this topic from the teams, but ESPN is pulling up statements from a free agent. The teams know that this would be a bad thing, or else why not talk about it?
The BIG idea out there is the moment that a team says yes to a gay, they are forcing the fans to pick between the Bible and supporting that players actions. If the concern is true the owners know It will be a ghost city in the stands. That idea may seem like a small issue to you but I believe the owners have done the research and put the muzzle on!
InSuarezWeTrust":33fbc9pj said:TL;DR Why is this thread 5 pages long?
SacHawk2.0":3fyitr9a said:Spokane doesn't want big name players coming out because he doesn't want to face the reality that one day he too will have to do the same.