So finally who's the better QB...

[Anthony!]

well for this year you can decide

Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

Just to compare
Wilson had 1 game below 80,

Let’s compare them
Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

So let’s see
Qb rating WILSON
QBR WILSON
Passing Yards WILSON
Passing YPA WILSON
Complt% WILSON
Passing TDS CAM
Ints WILSON
TD/INT Ratio WILSON
Rushing Yards CAM
Rushing TDs CAM
Rushing YPA WILSON
Total Yards WILSON
Total Tds CAM

So out of 13 stats Wilson Leads in 9 HMM

Now let’s add in QBR
Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.

Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

Just to compare
Wilson had 1 game below 80,

Let’s compare them
Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

So let’s see
Qb rating WILSON
QBR WILSON
Passing Yards WILSON
Passing YPA WILSON
Complt% WILSON
Passing TDS CAM
Ints WILSON
TD/INT Ratio WILSON
Rushing Yards CAM
Rushing TDs CAM
Rushing YPA WILSON
Total Yards WILSON
Total Tds CAM

So out of 13 stats Wilson leads in 9 HMM

Now let’s add in QBR
Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.


Newton’s team won more games against the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, that is why he will win. Wilson faced the 3rd hardest

 

[Seymour]

One game will tell next to nothing. People will still use what they want to "prove" their belief, on either side.

All that matters is which would you choose if you were building a team around one or the other.

For me that is Wilson, and it's not very close.

 

[redhawk253]

well for this year you can decide

Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

Just to compare
Wilson had 1 game below 80,

Let’s compare them
Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

So let’s see
Qb rating WILSON
QBR WILSON
Passing Yards WILSON
Passing YPA WILSON
Complt% WILSON
Passing TDS CAM
Ints WILSON
TD/INT Ratio WILSON
Rushing Yards CAM
Rushing TDs CAM
Rushing YPA WILSON
Total Yards WILSON
Total Tds CAM

So out of 13 stats Wilson Leads in 9 HMM

Now let’s add in QBR
Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.

Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

Just to compare
Wilson had 1 game below 80,

Let’s compare them
Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

So let’s see
Qb rating WILSON
QBR WILSON
Passing Yards WILSON
Passing YPA WILSON
Complt% WILSON
Passing TDS CAM
Ints WILSON
TD/INT Ratio WILSON
Rushing Yards CAM
Rushing TDs CAM
Rushing YPA WILSON
Total Yards WILSON
Total Tds CAM

So out of 13 stats Wilson leads in 9 HMM

Now let’s add in QBR
Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.


Newton’s team won more games against the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, that is why he will win. Wilson faced the 3rd hardest

And BOOOOOOOOOM goes the dynamite. Cam is overrated. He isnt even the best player on that team.. kuechly is by far the best player on that team. Cam is just the covergirl qb the nfl desperately needed after peyton, luck, and romo all went down early in the season.

 

[CoastalJuan]

well for this year you can decide

Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

Just to compare
Wilson had 1 game below 80,

Let’s compare them
Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

So let’s see
Qb rating WILSON
QBR WILSON
Passing Yards WILSON
Passing YPA WILSON
Complt% WILSON
Passing TDS CAM
Ints WILSON
TD/INT Ratio WILSON
Rushing Yards CAM
Rushing TDs CAM
Rushing YPA WILSON
Total Yards WILSON
Total Tds CAM

So out of 13 stats Wilson Leads in 9 HMM

Now let’s add in QBR
Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.

Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

Just to compare
Wilson had 1 game below 80,

Let’s compare them
Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

So let’s see
Qb rating WILSON
QBR WILSON
Passing Yards WILSON
Passing YPA WILSON
Complt% WILSON
Passing TDS CAM
Ints WILSON
TD/INT Ratio WILSON
Rushing Yards CAM
Rushing TDs CAM
Rushing YPA WILSON
Total Yards WILSON
Total Tds CAM

So out of 13 stats Wilson leads in 9 HMM

Now let’s add in QBR
Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.


Newton’s team won more games against the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, that is why he will win. Wilson faced the 3rd hardest

I'll take points scored over QBR every time.

 

[Hawks46]

Easy answer: Andrew Luck :stirthepot:

 

[kearly]

"Who's the better quarterback, RGIII or Wilson?"

*RGIII implodes in a ball of fiery dust, gets a clipboard, then gets it taken away*

"Okay then, who's the better quarterback, Kaepernick or Wilson?"

*Kaepernick spazzes out in a ball of twitchy emotions holding a clipboard*

"Fine. Who's the better quarterback, Luck or Wilson?"

*Luck hobbles off the field after a trifecta of interceptions and watches his season sputter to a close*

"Alright, for the last time, who's the better quarterback, Newton or Wilson?"

Your move, Cam.

*Cam wins MVP*

Two awesome posts back to back.

I think 2015 will go down as Newton's career year, but I don't think he'll collapse either. His tools are just too good. Also, I think Luck will bounce back.

 

[Cary Kollins]

"Who's the better quarterback, RGIII or Wilson?"

*RGIII implodes in a ball of fiery dust, gets a clipboard, then gets it taken away*

"Okay then, who's the better quarterback, Kaepernick or Wilson?"

*Kaepernick spazzes out in a ball of twitchy emotions holding a clipboard*

"Fine. Who's the better quarterback, Luck or Wilson?"

*Luck hobbles off the field after a trifecta of interceptions and watches his season sputter to a close*

"Alright, for the last time, who's the better quarterback, Newton or Wilson?"

Your move, Cam.

*Cam wins MVP*

Two awesome posts back to back.

when did RGme win MVP?

 

[kearly]

when did RGme win MVP?

The point is that awards are stupid.

 

[Anthony!]

well for this year you can decide

Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

Just to compare
Wilson had 1 game below 80,

Let’s compare them
Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

So let’s see
Qb rating WILSON
QBR WILSON
Passing Yards WILSON
Passing YPA WILSON
Complt% WILSON
Passing TDS CAM
Ints WILSON
TD/INT Ratio WILSON
Rushing Yards CAM
Rushing TDs CAM
Rushing YPA WILSON
Total Yards WILSON
Total Tds CAM

So out of 13 stats Wilson Leads in 9 HMM

Now let’s add in QBR
Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.

Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

Just to compare
Wilson had 1 game below 80,

Let’s compare them
Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

So let’s see
Qb rating WILSON
QBR WILSON
Passing Yards WILSON
Passing YPA WILSON
Complt% WILSON
Passing TDS CAM
Ints WILSON
TD/INT Ratio WILSON
Rushing Yards CAM
Rushing TDs CAM
Rushing YPA WILSON
Total Yards WILSON
Total Tds CAM

So out of 13 stats Wilson leads in 9 HMM

Now let’s add in QBR
Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.


Newton’s team won more games against the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, that is why he will win. Wilson faced the 3rd hardest

I'll take points scored over QBR every time.

Of course you would unless it was Cam who had the QBR and Wilson the points. You also take more TOs, worse td/int ratio, More TOs leading to points, etc. That said it is easy for Cam when he can call his own number inside the 5 while Wilson lets his Rbs do their job. For me yes Cam this year scored more TDs than Wilson, but he also took a lot more to get them, and he did it against one of the 5 easiest schedules, while Wilson did it against one of the 5 hardest. Add to that their career Year avgs

Cam
3652 passing yards, 59.6 complt%, 7.55 ypa, 23 pas tds, 12.8 ints, 1.8 td/int ratio, qb rating 88.3, 641 rush yards, 5.4 ypa, 5.6 tds-total yards 4293, 28.6 tds,

Wilson
3494 passing yards, 64.7 complt%, 8.05 ypa, 27 tds, 8.5 ints, 3.2 td/int ratio, qb rating 101.8, 608 rush yards 5.9 ypa, 3 tds-total yards 4102, 30 tds

Hmm interesting so I guess since you would take the more tds that means Wilson right?

 

[Seymour]

when did RGme win MVP?

He didn't. That pic I believe is offensive ROY award.

 

[RussB]

well for this year you can decide

Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

Just to compare
Wilson had 1 game below 80,

Let’s compare them
Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

So let’s see
Qb rating WILSON
QBR WILSON
Passing Yards WILSON
Passing YPA WILSON
Complt% WILSON
Passing TDS CAM
Ints WILSON
TD/INT Ratio WILSON
Rushing Yards CAM
Rushing TDs CAM
Rushing YPA WILSON
Total Yards WILSON
Total Tds CAM

So out of 13 stats Wilson Leads in 9 HMM

Now let’s add in QBR
Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.

Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

Just to compare
Wilson had 1 game below 80,

Let’s compare them
Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

So let’s see
Qb rating WILSON
QBR WILSON
Passing Yards WILSON
Passing YPA WILSON
Complt% WILSON
Passing TDS CAM
Ints WILSON
TD/INT Ratio WILSON
Rushing Yards CAM
Rushing TDs CAM
Rushing YPA WILSON
Total Yards WILSON
Total Tds CAM

So out of 13 stats Wilson leads in 9 HMM

Now let’s add in QBR
Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.


Newton’s team won more games against the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, that is why he will win. Wilson faced the 3rd hardest

I'll take points scored over QBR every time.

yet if cam had a higher QBR than RW you would say the opposite lol.

 

[ctrcat]

^ What is QBR? As a sports junkie I'm not ashamed to admit I have no clue. When trying to figure it out I found this http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/espn-qb ... hat-is-qbr

Cam's size, speed, and arm strength puts pressure on every level of the D on every play in ways that will never see the light of day in the stats sheet, and that's why he lead the league in scoring O with Ted Ginn as a #1.

As for stats, he had 56 rushing first downs, 4th in the league for any player, and IMHO the most absurdly amazing stat in football this year.

 

[RussB]

^ What is QBR? As a sports junkie I'm not ashamed to admit I have no clue. When trying to figure it out I found this http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/espn-qb ... hat-is-qbr

Cam's size, speed, and arm strength puts pressure on every level of the D on every play in ways that will never see the light of day in the stats sheet, and that's why he lead the league in scoring O with Ted Ginn as a #1.

As for stats, he had 56 rushing first downs, 4th in the league for any player, and IMHO the most absurdly amazing stat in football this year.

Wilson also has speed and arm strength and is a better playmaker in my opinion.

 

[Cary Kollins]

I think if you plugged Cam into the Seahawks since 2012, they have maybe three Super Bowls running away.

Put Russell on the Panthers, and you have a team that would struggle to make the playoffs this season.


Cam is asked to do so much in the Carolina offense. Cam's first few seasons, he had a pretty horrible defense. Wilson has had arguably the best defense in the history of the NFL.

Wilson is a very good QB, but Cam is another level and the scary part is he is just scratching the surface.

Looking forward to these two dueling for the next ten years or so.

 

[hawk45]

I think if you plugged Cam into the Seahawks since 2012, they have maybe three Super Bowls running away.

Put Russell on the Panthers, and you have a team that would struggle to make the playoffs this season.


Cam is asked to do so much in the Carolina offense. Cam's first few seasons, he had a pretty horrible defense. Wilson has had arguably the best defense in the history of the NFL.

Wilson is a very good QB, but Cam is another level and the scary part is he is just scratching the surface.

Looking forward to these two dueling for the next ten years or so.

That's funny because my enduring memory of playing the Panthers is always feeling confident because while their ferocious front 7 would keep the game close but Cam could be relied on to fire the winning TD pass in the dirt.

Cam has always done a lot for their offense but until this year he frightened nobody from the pocket and shrank from all big moments.

In other words the exact opposite of what you said.

 

[Anthony!]

well for this year you can decide

Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

Just to compare
Wilson had 1 game below 80,

Let’s compare them
Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

So let’s see
Qb rating WILSON
QBR WILSON
Passing Yards WILSON
Passing YPA WILSON
Complt% WILSON
Passing TDS CAM
Ints WILSON
TD/INT Ratio WILSON
Rushing Yards CAM
Rushing TDs CAM
Rushing YPA WILSON
Total Yards WILSON
Total Tds CAM

So out of 13 stats Wilson Leads in 9 HMM

Now let’s add in QBR
Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.

Newton 7 games with a QB rating below 80, 5 below 75, 3 below 70,1 below 60 did not even complete 60% of his passes

Just to compare
Wilson had 1 game below 80,

Let’s compare them
Cam qb rating 99.4, QBR 66.1, 3837 yards, 7.74 ypa, 59.8 complt%, 35 tds, 10 ints 3.5/1 td/int ratio, 636 rushing yards, 10 tds, 4.8 ypa rushing, 4473 total yards, 45 total tds
Wilson QB rating 110.1, QBR 74.9, 4024 yards, 8.33 ypa, 68.1 complt%, 34 tds, 8 ints, 4.25/1 td/int ratio, 553 rushing yards, 1 td, 5.4 ypa, 4577 total yards, 35 total tds

So let’s see
Qb rating WILSON
QBR WILSON
Passing Yards WILSON
Passing YPA WILSON
Complt% WILSON
Passing TDS CAM
Ints WILSON
TD/INT Ratio WILSON
Rushing Yards CAM
Rushing TDs CAM
Rushing YPA WILSON
Total Yards WILSON
Total Tds CAM

So out of 13 stats Wilson leads in 9 HMM

Now let’s add in QBR
Wilsons QBR was 74.9 4th in the league, Cams 66.1 9th so Wilson wins there too. Add to that Wilsons QBR passing was 85.4, running 17.9, Cams 70.4 passing, 17.5 rushing so Wilson wins in both categories.


Newton’s team won more games against the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, that is why he will win. Wilson faced the 3rd hardest

I'll take points scored over QBR every time.

yet if cam had a higher QBR than RW you would say the opposite lol.

NO I am looking at all the stats not just 1 or 2 unlike some.

 

[Anthony!]

I think if you plugged Cam into the Seahawks since 2012, they have maybe three Super Bowls running away.

Put Russell on the Panthers, and you have a team that would struggle to make the playoffs this season.


Cam is asked to do so much in the Carolina offense. Cam's first few seasons, he had a pretty horrible defense. Wilson has had arguably the best defense in the history of the NFL.

Wilson is a very good QB, but Cam is another level and the scary part is he is just scratching the surface.

Looking forward to these two dueling for the next ten years or so.

Yeah the problem is you thought and you cannot prove it and I would argue with Cam we do not do anything has he is not as efficient as Wilson which is what we needed so sorry you would be wrong.

Let me help you out

Quarterbacks are ranked according to DYAR, or Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement. This gives the value of the quarterback 's performance compared to replacement level, adjusted for situation and opponent and then translated into yardage.

Cam- 11th
Wilson 3rd

The other statistic given is DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. This number represents value, per play, over an average quarterback in the same game situations.

Cam- 12
Wilson-3

QBR=total play
Cam- 9
Wilson-4

So yeah sorry Cam with us we do not win 3 SBs and you are just being ignorant to even say something you cannot prove and the fact sand stats show is wrong. The fact and stats do however show Wilson would do great with Carolina thought

 

[MagHawk]

I think if you plugged Cam into the Seahawks since 2012, they have maybe three Super Bowls running away.

Put Russell on the Panthers, and you have a team that would struggle to make the playoffs this season.


Cam is asked to do so much in the Carolina offense. Cam's first few seasons, he had a pretty horrible defense. Wilson has had arguably the best defense in the history of the NFL.

Wilson is a very good QB, but Cam is another level and the scary part is he is just scratching the surface.

Looking forward to these two dueling for the next ten years or so.

Yeah the problem is you thought and you cannot prove it and I would argue with Cam we do not do anything has he is not as efficient as Wilson which is what we needed so sorry you would be wrong

Yeah - can you imagine how Cam would have been in some of those games that Russell got us back into? Bucs, Texans, 2015 NFCCG to name just a few.....I am sure we would not have won them.

 

[canfan]

It's lose lose for Russell.

If Russell wins the game it's his team. If Wilson loses the game, "It's see! Cam is better."

on the flipside for Cam. It's win win.

If Cam Wins. -MVP. If Cam loses, we will here about how he carried his team to playoffs, and is still the MVP. "Only if they had more talent around him?" They will say. (Despite having 5 probowlers on offense to Wilson's 0.)

I guess maybe you didn't hear the month and a half of glowing praise Wilson has received recently? The "Wilson as game manager" narrative is dead.

So Prisco is dead you say? Wow, its Christmas all over again!

 

[Threedee]

For how long can Cam run designed plays up the middle between the guards and between the tackles? Other than sneak plays, no one else risks their long-term health that way. Once he starts to get banged-up, he'll have to stop, and it will reduce his stats a bit.