Seahawks Secondary vs Patriots Secondary

[Reaneypark]

If I were rating/comparing DB personnel:
- Sherman's great, but Revis is a better all around corner
- I'm not sold on Browner's penchant for penalties, I'd probably take Maxwell
- you'll scream about this, but I'm not trading Devin McCourty for Earl Thomas, no way no how
- Chancellor gets the nod over Patrick Chung
- nickel: Arrington's really good, but I know Lane is good too. Toss up.

On pure man to man talent, a small edge to Seattle probably. But for disguising coverages and confusing QB's, the Pats have the edge there.

How generous of you, giving the nod for Chancellor.

 

[bigskydoc]

The numbers against common opponents during the regular season are pretty interesting to look at.


They show some pretty closely matched pass defenses. There are stats that you could use to say the Patriots are better and stats you could pick to claim the Hawks are better.


For passing defense against common opponents
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Patriots 16 def Raiders 9
Carr 21/34 (62%) for 174 yds (5.12 YPA/ 8.29 YPC) 0 TDs 1 INT

Hawks 30 def Raiders 24
Carr 24/41 (59%) for 194 yds (4.73 YPA/ 8.08 YPC) 2 TDs 2 INTs
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Patriots 14 lose to KC 41
Smith 20/26 (77%) for 248 yds (9.54 YPA/ 12.4 YPC) 3 TDs 0 INTs

Hawks 20 lose to KC 24
Smith 11/16 (69%) for 108 yds (6.75 YPA/ 9.82 YPC) 0 TDs 0 INTs
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Patriots 43 def Broncos 21
Manning 34/57 (60%) for 438 yds (7.68 YPA/ 12.88 YPC) 2 TDs 2 INTs

Hawks 26 def Broncos 20
Manning 31/49 (63%) for 303 yds (6.18 YPA/ 9.77 YPC) 2 TDs 1 INT
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Patriots 21 lose to Packers 26
Rodgers 24/38 (63%) for 368 yds (9.68 YPA/ 15.33 YPC) 2 TDs 1 INT

Hawks 36 def Packers 16
Rodgers 23/33 (70%) for 189 yds (5.73 YPA/ 8.22 YPC) 1TD 1 INT
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Patriots 23 def Chargers 14
Rivers 20/33 (61%) for 189 yds (5.73 YPA/ 9.45 YPC) 1 TD 1 INT

Hawks 21 lose to Chargers 30
Rivers 28/37 (76%) for 284 yds (7.68 YPA/ 10.14 YPC) 3 TDs 0 INTs
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So the aggregate stats against common opponents include identical W-L records and

Pats 111 points given up with a point differential of +6
119/188 (63%) 1417 yds (7.54 YPA/ 11.91 YPC) 8 TDs 5 INT

Hawks 114 points given up with a point differential of +19
117/176 (66%) 1078 yds (6.13 YPA/ 9.21 YPC) 8 TDs 4 INT
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If you took away the one really uncharacteristic game for each defense (KC for the Pats and San Diego for the Hawks), it looks like this.


Pats 70 points given up with a point differential of +33
99/162 (61%) 1169 yds (7.22 YPA/ 11.81 YPC) 5 TD 5 INT

Hawks 84 points given up with a point differential of +28
89/139 (64%) 794 yds (5.71 YPA/ 8.92) 5 TD 4 INT
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So while the Hawks give up slightly more completions, they allow a significant 2.7-2.89 fewer yards on those completions (Thanks Seattle secondary). As a Hawk fan, I like those numbers a lot. We are pretty evenly matched in terms of TDs allowed and INTs taken. The point differential is pretty closely matched (of course that is a whole team effort, not pass defense).

Of course DVOA, which takes into account the strength of and results against non-common opponents has us rated significantly better than the Pats.

- bsd RPA

 

[Chapow]

I'd also add that if this conversation occurred a year ago, it would be a different conversation because the Hawks did look like the 85 Bears then. But not now, not after the way Green Bay moved the ball the other day.

Green Bay put up 306 yards of total offense while benefiting from 5 turnovers from the Seahawks.

To put that in perspective for you, in 2014, 29 of 32 teams gave up more than 306 yards per game.

 

[Hawkscanner]

Fox Sports has their Super Bowl Preview up ... and embedded in the first few lines they have an interesting little nugget on Gronkowski ...

At this rate, Rob Gronkowski will go down as one of the best tight ends in NFL history.

He led all tight ends this season with 1,124 yards on 82 receptions and scored 12 times. A big key to his success is that New England moves him around: He'll align in a traditional tight end position, in the slot, or out wide in a receiver position.

So how will the Seahawks' Legion of Boom handle the Patriots' best weapon?

The one thing that stands out on tape is that no matter where Gronkowski lines up, the teams that disrupted him — either at the line of scrimmage or within 5 yards of his release — had the most success. Gronk is a bad man and if he gets a free run off the line, bad things happen.

The Jets had a strong game plan against Gronkowski in Week 16 and they handled him well. He was targeted 10 times, but finished with six receptions for only 31 yards and his lowest yards-per-catch of the season (5.2).

The Jets harassed Gronk at the line of scrimmage as often as possible in both zone and man coverages, and that's what the Seahawks may do to minimize the damage he can cause.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...eahawks-rob-gronkowski-richard-sherman-012115

I'd say that you can pretty much take it to the bank that Carroll and Quinn will employ basically that exact same strategy against Gronk, as physical punch you in the mouth defense is what this team is all about. I'd look for K.J. Wright and Kam Chancellor to draw that assignment much of the time. Bet on it that Quinn and Ken Norton tell their guys -- "DON'T Ever allow Gronk to get a free release. Beat him to a pulp within the first 5 yards on each and every down." Hopefully they'll get similar (if not better) results.

 

[rain7]

50yearpatsfan is clearly trolling - don't feed the troll!

 

[Armchair Bronco]

Byron Maxwell is such an under-rated corner. I REALLY hope the Hawks figure out how to keep him in the LOB next year.

Not only is he a excellent corner guy, but his tackling is top notch, too. And (IMO) no one on the team is better at ripping out the ball from the hands of backs and receivers as he's tackling them.

 

[bigskydoc]

Revis plays both sides of the field, he can play in the slot where ever. They put Revis on the other team's best WR and shadow him the entire game. Sherman only plays one side of the field, his strong side.

Revis can play anywhere on the field, can shut down a primary weapon wherever he lines up.

Now you are just showing your ignorance. It is fine that you don’t watch enough Hawks football to know that this isn’t correct, but don’t come on our board spouting ignorant statements about what our players do and don’t do. Sherman can and has shadowed the primary receiver. He did so against Dez Bryant this year when Maxwell went out with injury and our backups were already out with injury. The result? Bryant was targeted 6 times out of 22 passing plays. He came away with 2 receptions for 39 yards and he needed his A game to do that.


The simple fact of the matter is we don’t need him to shadow the primary receiver because our other CBs really are that good, so we scheme to just let Sherman shut down one side of the field. What does it say about the quality of your other corners that you need Revis to shadow the primary when he lines up on their side of the field? Our other corners are so good, we don't have to worry about shadowing with Sherman.

While we are on the subject, how good is Revis at stopping the run?

I'd also add that if this conversation occurred a year ago, it would be a different conversation because the Hawks did look like the 85 Bears then. But not now, not after the way Green Bay moved the ball the other day.

Come again????

Seattle 28 def Packers 22
Rodgers 19/34 (56%) for 178 yds (5.24 YPA/ 9.37 YPC) 1TD 2 INT

Patriots 21 lose to Packers 26
Rodgers 24/38 (63%) for 368 yds (9.68 YPA/ 15.33 YPC) 2 TDs 1 INT

I specifically left this game out of the stats post because it made the Hawks look too good. It was a flukey game with the weird weather and I didn't think it was fair to the Patriots to keep it in the stats mix.

You clearly haven't watched much Hawks football this year. We are just as good if not better than last year. The only drop off we had was when multiple key members went out at the same time. Even with the backups we were almost as good as last year.

On pure man to man talent, a small edge to Seattle probably. But for disguising coverages and confusing QB's, the Pats have the edge there.

That is where you are confused. Seattle does not disguise coverage. It is elegantly simple. They lineup and show the opposing team exactly what they are going to do. Then they do it. They have no need to disguise coverage and confuse QB’s because they execute better than anyone else in the league. Teams who lack the talent to do this have to resort to disguise and confusion because if they just lined up and played, they would get thrashed. So yes, one thing your guys are better at is disguise and confusion... because our guys simply don't need it.

- bsd

 

[hieroglyphics]

Byron Maxwell is such an under-rated corner. I REALLY hope the Hawks figure out how to keep him in the LOB next year.

Not only is he a excellent corner guy, but his tackling is top notch, too. And (IMO) no one on the team is better at ripping out the ball from the hands of backs and receivers as he's tackling them.

I agree, I think we take a pretty significant step back if we're relying on any of Lane, Simon or Burley to replace him.

He's not only an underrated corner but probably THE underrated player of our defense.

As others have noted, Sherman is the least thrown on corner in the league.....if Sherman is the least, and teams are still throwing the ball against us, who are they throwing at?

Maxwell has had more work this year and has done terrific. He's not a star, but just a solid reliable guy. He'd be the best corner for probably half of the teams in the league.

 

[dopeboy206]

McCourty over Thomas? Dude is smoking crack. Hahaha

 

[hieroglyphics]

Pats fans, while you have good defensive talent that at least makes you a good secondary, you will not be elite, not like the LOB.

Even if we give you Pats homers the benefit of the doubt and say you have equally as good of talent as the Seahawks, we'd still be better for one simple reason.

Sherman/Maxwell/Kam/Thomas have now played FOUR seasons together, four. Continuity is so incredibly important for a secondary, all these guys know how to play off of each other so well, its just impossible for the Pats to replicate, you've had this secondary together for one season. Its not enough time to build the level of trust and comfort required to read defenses and play off one another as unbelievably well as the LOB does.

But nevertheless, we have the better secondary and its not even a question. We have one of the best secondaries ever formulated in the NFL and yours is flash in the pan. You'll be lucky to retain Revis, he seems like he'd prefer getting top dollar for one year in Minnesota or Oakland than hang around Boston.

 

[idahawks]

If Sherman and Thomas are not 100% for the Super Bowl then for the Super Bowl the Patriots will have a better secondary for that one game.

But with regards to depth the Patriots have the deepest secondary in the NFL...

CB's...
Revis
Browner
Arrington
Ryan
Butler

Safety's...
McCourty
Chung
Harmon
Wilson
Ebner

I'd take Revis over Sherman. Revis plays both sides of the field, he can play in the slot where ever. They put Revis on the other team's best WR and shadow him the entire game. Sherman only plays one side of the field, his strong side.

In fact I'd take Revis and Vontae Davis over Sherman. All stats show Davis is the best CB in the game. So Sherman might not be in the top 2 or 3 best CB's in the game.

We have the number 1 passing defense in the league. You have the number 17- Slightly below average. Nuff said, its not even an argument. You're not even close. We are the best and you are slightly below average. How can you even begin to try to make this argument?

That is due to the Seahawks playing in the NFC West against teams with no offenses this season. Two of the teams (Cardinals, Rams) lost their QB's.

The Pats play in a weak division too in the AFC East but they had to play the Chiefs, Bengals, Broncos, Bears, Colts, Lions, Packers, Chargers against high powered offenses. And yes, the Dolphins have a better offense than the Rams and Cardinals especially after they lost their QB's due to injury.

Dolphins...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/t ... a/2014.htm

Seahawks...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/t ... a/2014.htm

The Pats basically were on cruise control for the last 2 games of the season. They played half the game of the last game of the season because they already clinched the #1 seed so those season stats don't tell the whole story.

Seahawks...
Scored 394 points (24.6/g), 14th of 32 in the NFL. Allowed 254 points (15.9/g), 1st.
Differential of 140 points (8.8/g), 3rd.

Patriots...
Scored 468 points (29.2/g), 4th of 32 in the NFL. Allowed 313 points (19.6/g), 8th.
Differential of 155 points (9.7/g), 1st.

Overall the Pats are just a little more balanced.

If you want to argue offense you have stats and great points to make. Although statistically we are still better offensively.

However if you want to talk about defensive secondary this isn't even a contest. You claimed we played inferior competition and named several tough offensive teams you played, Check our schedule, we played Denver, KC, packers and chargers also so how are our stats padded? We also played the Eagles (6th in passing), giants (7th in passing) and redskins(11th in passing). Of the top 11 passing teams in the NFL we played 6 of them and the Pats only played 4 of them. As far as the NFC west being weak the 9-1 cardinals would have been 9-1 in your division also and the rams and 9ers would have finished 2nd in the afc east. Obviously hawks would have won the weak AFC east.

Getting back to our secondary we allowed the fewest passing yards per game in the NFL this season. The 2nd place team is KC and they are 18 yards behind us. Every team thereafter is within 3-5 yards of each other. This means we didn't just edge out KC for fewest passing yards per game. We are head and shoulders above the entire rest of the league.

This hawks defense will go down in history as one of the best defenses ever to take the field in NFL history. We will be compared to the 85 bears and the steel curtain and the purple people eaters. This is a top 10 all time defense. and the strength of our defense is our secondary. The pats by contrast have an average secondary compared to teams this year alone.

In the 47 years of the SB there's about an average of 30 NFL teams 47x30=1410. So of the 1410 defensive secondary's that have played in the last 47 years this seahawks secondary is probably in the top 10. The pats secondary is average so they would probably rank around #700. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say your at #500. So your trying to compare #500 all time against at top ten all time. Its not even close.

 

[50yrpatsfan]

Revis plays both sides of the field, he can play in the slot where ever. They put Revis on the other team's best WR and shadow him the entire game. Sherman only plays one side of the field, his strong side.

Revis can play anywhere on the field, can shut down a primary weapon wherever he lines up.

Now you are just showing your ignorance. It is fine that you don’t watch enough Hawks football to know that this isn’t correct, but don’t come on our board spouting ignorant statements about what our players do and don’t do. Sherman can and has shadowed the primary receiver. He did so against Dez Bryant this year when Maxwell went out with injury and our backups were already out with injury. The result? Bryant was targeted 6 times out of 22 passing plays. He came away with 2 receptions for 39 yards and he needed his A game to do that.

The simple fact of the matter is we don’t need him to shadow the primary receiver because our other CBs really are that good, so we scheme to just let Sherman shut down one side of the field. What does it say about the quality of your other corners that you need Revis to shadow the primary when he lines up on their side of the field? Our other corners are so good, we don't have to worry about shadowing with Sherman.

While we are on the subject, how good is Revis at stopping the run?

I'd also add that if this conversation occurred a year ago, it would be a different conversation because the Hawks did look like the 85 Bears then. But not now, not after the way Green Bay moved the ball the other day.

Come again????

Seattle 28 def Packers 22
Rodgers 19/34 (56%) for 178 yds (5.24 YPA/ 9.37 YPC) 1TD 2 INT

Patriots 21 lose to Packers 26
Rodgers 24/38 (63%) for 368 yds (9.68 YPA/ 15.33 YPC) 2 TDs 1 INT

I specifically left this game out of the stats post because it made the Hawks look too good. It was a flukey game with the weird weather and I didn't think it was fair to the Patriots to keep it in the stats mix.

You clearly haven't watched much Hawks football this year. We are just as good if not better than last year. The only drop off we had was when multiple key members went out at the same time. Even with the backups we were almost as good as last year.

On pure man to man talent, a small edge to Seattle probably. But for disguising coverages and confusing QB's, the Pats have the edge there.

That is where you are confused. Seattle does not disguise coverage. It is elegantly simple. They lineup and show the opposing team exactly what they are going to do. Then they do it. They have no need to disguise coverage and confuse QB’s because they execute better than anyone else in the league. Teams who lack the talent to do this have to resort to disguise and confusion because if they just lined up and played, they would get thrashed. So yes, one thing your guys are better at is disguise and confusion... because our guys simply don't need it.

- bsd

Revis is exceptional against the run, as good as any corner.

The Hawks peaked a year ago, that was obvious the last couple of weeks. Still good and dangerous, but not the team they were in late 2012 and last season.

Pats and Belichick play a different game. They will confuse Wilson just like they confused Luck, who is a better QB. It's a huge part of how they win. Wilson won't know what he's seeing and will make mistakes.

 

[Seahwkgal]

This thread is turning shack worthy. Russ is a better QB than Luck. Move this or ban this argumentative troll.

 

[bigskydoc]

The Hawks peaked a year ago, that was obvious the last couple of weeks. Still good and dangerous, but not the team they were in late 2012 and last season.

Come again? Obvious how? You have some stats to back that claim up? Did you watch more than just the two playoff games this year?

The Pats defense sure didn't look that great in that win they squeaked out against the Ravens. Tough games happen, even for top tier defenses.

Our defense against the Packers was nothing short of amazing. To hold them to so few points on so many short fields, hold Rodgers to a single TD toss, and so few yards? Let me reiterate.

Seattle 28 def Packers 22
Rodgers 19/34 (56%) for 178 yds (5.24 YPA/ 9.37 YPC) 1TD 2 INT

Patriots 21 lose to Packers 26
Rodgers 24/38 (63%) for 368 yds (9.68 YPA/ 15.33 YPC) 2 TDs 1 INT

and just for gits and shingles

Patriots 35 def Ravens 31
Flacco 28/45 (62%) for 292 yds (6.49 YPA/ 10.43 YPC) 4 TDs 2 INT

Yep, your defense didn't look so hot against the Ravens either. Doesn't mean you don't have a good defense.

Revis is exceptional against the run, as good as any corner.

That was actually an honest question on my part, not an accusation. It is hard to find info grading CBs effectiveness against the run. I know how good Sherman has become this year (incidentally one of the specific ways that our defense is actually better this year), and I am curious about Revis. Since I don't watch the all-22 of the Pats on a regular basis, I have a pretty good feel for his pass defense but not his run stopping capability. I'll take your word for it.

Pats and Belichick play a different game.

Exactly my point, thanks for confirming this. They play different games and you can't criticize Seattle for not using deception and confusion. They don't need it and they don't use it.

They will confuse Wilson just like they confused Luck, who is a better QB. It's a huge part of how they win. Wilson won't know what he's seeing and will make mistakes.

We will see. It isn't the first time that this claim has been made against Wilson. I will say that your best chance of beating Wilson is disguising your blitz. He is still a young QB who struggles with post-snap adjustment. If you show blitz then back out of it, he will tend to stick with the blitz beater he has already decided on. If you can bring a disguised blitz, he may struggle with going to a hot route. He is getting better about it, but this will be an interesting matchup to watch.

- bsd RPA

 

[Vetamur]

I love the "Id take McCourty over Thomas, but thats just me". Yes. It is just you. Show me anyone else who would rate it that way.

Revis over Sherman for a bunch of reasons that arent true? As has been pointed out, in a pinch, Sherman can play all over the field. And has. When we had a bunch of injuries at CB, he did. But, as he himself said, having him shadow the other teams number one would be an insult to Maxwell. We dont need to do that. So we dont. And if you think that helps you with scheming, youre mistaken. If you think keeping your best receiver on the left side of the formation all day long, and making Brady throw to the left all day long somehow helps you then you havent thought that one through. And, by the way, this year the Patriots locked Revis to one side quite a bit as well. Its a copy cat league and Hayden, Peterson, and Revis all did this a lot this year because it has a lot of advantages as long as your other corner is decent.

I love Brandon Browner and would actually rather have him than Maxwell. But objectively, Maxwell is the better CB. Browners size matches our scheme better and thats why I predict Simon takes over that side next year . You didnt mention him, but outside of one game he unexpectedly had to start Simon was probably our 2nd best CB this year.

 

[bmorepunk]

McCourty over Thomas? Why not Chandler Jones over JJ Watt while we're at it?

Wow.

 

[50yrpatsfan]

The Hawks peaked a year ago, that was obvious the last couple of weeks. Still good and dangerous, but not the team they were in late 2012 and last season.

Come again? Obvious how? You have some stats to back that claim up? Did you watch more than just the two playoff games this year?

The Pats defense sure didn't look that great in that win they squeaked out against the Ravens. Tough games happen, even for top tier defenses.

Our defense against the Packers was nothing short of amazing. To hold them to so few points on so many short fields, hold Rodgers to a single TD toss, and so few yards? Let me reiterate.

Seattle 28 def Packers 22
Rodgers 19/34 (56%) for 178 yds (5.24 YPA/ 9.37 YPC) 1TD 2 INT

Patriots 21 lose to Packers 26
Rodgers 24/38 (63%) for 368 yds (9.68 YPA/ 15.33 YPC) 2 TDs 1 INT

Revis is exceptional against the run, as good as any corner.

That was actually an honest question on my part, not an accusation. It is hard to find info grading CBs effectiveness against the run. I know how good Sherman has become this year (incidentally one of the specific ways that our defense is actually better this year), and I am curious about Revis. Since I don't watch the all-22 of the Pats on a regular basis, I have a pretty good feel for his pass defense but not his run stopping capability. I'll take your word for it.

Pats and Belichick play a different game.

Exactly my point, thanks for confirming this. They play different games and you can't criticize Seattle for not using deception and confusion. They don't need it and they don't use it.

They will confuse Wilson just like they confused Luck, who is a better QB. It's a huge part of how they win. Wilson won't know what he's seeing and will make mistakes.

We will see. It isn't the first time that this claim has been made against Wilson. I will say that your best chance of beating Wilson is disguising your blitz. He is still a young QB who struggles with post-snap adjustment. If you show blitz then back out of it, he will tend to stick with the blitz beater he has already decided on. If you can bring a disguised blitz, he may struggle with going to a hot route. He is getting better about it, but this will be an interesting matchup to watch.

- bsd RPA

Listen, I don't think we're actually disagreeing about much here. I do think your defense isn't quite as good as it was a year ago, and with some of your DLine/pass rush out, that's not a controversial statement. The biggest things I saw vs Green Bay were the time that Rodgers had, the number of times receivers were free, and Lacy running over people. You didn't see those things as much last year. Yes, they held in the rz, but on the other hand Rodgers was hurt and you were at home. Hawks were extremely lucky to win, on a couple of ultra-rare special teams plays.

Revis and Sherman were voted the 2 best corners in football, this year's All-Pro's. They do have very different styles, personally and on the field. Revis is just now getting back to his pre-knee injury form, and the Hawks receiving corps doesn't have anyone that can beat him, though I do like the depth of the Hawks WR's..

The NE defense gives up a lot of yards and can look pretty porous at times, so far from perfect. But they're not playing as good an offense as Seattle's D has to face either. NE was #1 in the league in point differential for the year.

I do admire Wilson, he's very dangerous and a challenge to contain. But he looked very human last Sunday against a D that's similar to NE's.

There's a lot of interesting aspects to this game. I also think the fan bases and media of each team don't know too much about the other, which adds to the intrigue.

 

[Vetamur]

The Hawks peaked a year ago, that was obvious the last couple of weeks. Still good and dangerous, but not the team they were in late 2012 and last season.

Come again? Obvious how? You have some stats to back that claim up? Did you watch more than just the two playoff games this year?

The Pats defense sure didn't look that great in that win they squeaked out against the Ravens. Tough games happen, even for top tier defenses.

Our defense against the Packers was nothing short of amazing. To hold them to so few points on so many short fields, hold Rodgers to a single TD toss, and so few yards? Let me reiterate.

Seattle 28 def Packers 22
Rodgers 19/34 (56%) for 178 yds (5.24 YPA/ 9.37 YPC) 1TD 2 INT

Patriots 21 lose to Packers 26
Rodgers 24/38 (63%) for 368 yds (9.68 YPA/ 15.33 YPC) 2 TDs 1 INT

Revis is exceptional against the run, as good as any corner.

That was actually an honest question on my part, not an accusation. It is hard to find info grading CBs effectiveness against the run. I know how good Sherman has become this year (incidentally one of the specific ways that our defense is actually better this year), and I am curious about Revis. Since I don't watch the all-22 of the Pats on a regular basis, I have a pretty good feel for his pass defense but not his run stopping capability. I'll take your word for it.

Pats and Belichick play a different game.

Exactly my point, thanks for confirming this. They play different games and you can't criticize Seattle for not using deception and confusion. They don't need it and they don't use it.

They will confuse Wilson just like they confused Luck, who is a better QB. It's a huge part of how they win. Wilson won't know what he's seeing and will make mistakes.

We will see. It isn't the first time that this claim has been made against Wilson. I will say that your best chance of beating Wilson is disguising your blitz. He is still a young QB who struggles with post-snap adjustment. If you show blitz then back out of it, he will tend to stick with the blitz beater he has already decided on. If you can bring a disguised blitz, he may struggle with going to a hot route. He is getting better about it, but this will be an interesting matchup to watch.

- bsd RPA

Listen, I don't think we're actually disagreeing about much here. I do think your defense isn't quite as good as it was a year ago, and with some of your DLine/pass rush out, that's not a controversial statement. The biggest things I saw vs Green Bay were the time that Rodgers had, the number of times receivers were free, and Lacy running over people. You didn't see those things as much last year. Yes, they held in the rz, but on the other hand Rodgers was hurt and you were at home. Hawks were extremely lucky to win, on a couple of ultra-rare special teams plays.

Revis and Sherman were voted the 2 best corners in football, this year's All-Pro's. They do have very different styles, personally and on the field. Revis is just now getting back to his pre-knee injury form, and the Hawks receiving corps doesn't have anyone that can beat him, though I do like the depth of the Hawks WR's..

The NE defense gives up a lot of yards and can look pretty porous at times, so far from perfect. But they're not playing as good an offense as Seattle's D has to face either. NE was #1 in the league in point differential for the year.

I do admire Wilson, he's very dangerous and a challenge to contain. But he looked very human last Sunday against a D that's similar to NE's.

There's a lot of interesting aspects to this game. I also think the fan bases and media of each team don't know too much about the other, which adds to the intrigue.

again..you saw what you wanted to see.

Lacy running over people? 21 carries.. 73 yards. Longest carry 13 yards. I dont think an objective observor would call that "running over" anything..they would call it a sub par day.

 

[Foghawk]

again..you saw what you wanted to see.

Lacy running over people? 21 carries.. 73 yards. Longest carry 13 yards. I dont think an objective observor would call that "running over" anything..they would call it a sub par day.

He may be confusing the C-Note on 21 carries Lacy put down on the Pats earlier this season with Sunday's game.

:229031_shrug:

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

again..you saw what you wanted to see.

Lacy running over people? 21 carries.. 73 yards. Longest carry 13 yards. I dont think an objective observor would call that "running over" anything..they would call it a sub par day.

He may be confusing the C-Note on 21 carries Lacy put down on the Pats earlier this season with Sunday's game.

:229031_shrug:

Or he may be confusing Lacy with Marshawn Lynch, who had roughly double the yardage that Lacy did, plus a touchdown run in this game.