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I think Wilson woke up a little more sore this morning than he's use to.
Your posts has me thinking (owe!) :34853_doh:Sarlacc83":2pu1zwmy said:I think what I took away from the game was that our depth is still going to be pretty good and our rookies are as raw as expected. It seemed to me that many of Seattle's 2's played against Denver's 1's and held their own if didn't dominate, then our 3's against their 2's, and so on. Since we'll go "2" deep at every position (22 players x 2) with an extra 6 bonus players, I don't worry much about the 3 group. Most of them will be cut (though I'm sure they'll still be picked up by other teams.). Not that it isn't fun to have someone to get excited about. (Allen Bradford, anyone?)
Even then, I think they were told to work on a number of things whereas you got the feeling Denver just really really wanted to win. (Resorting to cheap shots and multiple drives with 'better' players to do so. I feel like Denver's focus on Seattle is really going to hurt them this year. I bet they lose their second game of the season since they'll be so concerned with Week 3 at Century Link.) This does hurt our evaluation, too, even as it leads to the next paragraph.
We have seen where our 2013 and 2014 players need to improve, which will help the coaching staff get them there. Player development of the raw material is huge, as has been our rallying cry for Caroll's excellence. We know too much what to expect, and it seems as if people believe backups will suddenly get there so that the entire team consists of Super Bowl starters rather than just quality depth.
kearly":kbju43kz said:Okay I watched it again. I partially retract my statement.
The target was Ricardo Lockette. Who was open enough if Pryor throws him open. Unfortunately, Prior throws a relative touch pass which (appears to) allow #42 of Denver to recover and swat the ball away. So no blame for Lockette. Some credit for #42 for closing and making a clutch play, and some raspberry for Pryor who placed the ball in the center of Lockette's chest instead of a couple feet outside.
I am still okay with the ballsiness aspect of the decision given the low success rate presented in a 4th down red zone scenario, and we've seen numerous occasions when Wilson made similar throws in very tight game situations, mostly with success. When the throw was made, Lockette was reasonably open, but Pryor still should have targeted more cautiously anyway. I am glad that Pryor made this mistake in a preseason game.
fenderbender123":tow096o7 said:I seem to recall Denver moving the ball pretty well against us last year in preseason. I think turnovers wound up being the reason we blew them out but they did have success throwing it against our secondary. The Super Bowl wasa totally different story.
Lynch was out and only one oline starter was in (if you don't count Britt) so our 2s were actually in with their ones and we still were ahead when the ones came off.kearly":3ppqhlwk said:My big takeaway from this game was that, for one game at least, Seattle's backups no longer dominate other team's backups, and the Broncos backups are especially uninspiring so this was a bit of an eye opener. As for the rest I'll just jump into it randomly.
The 33 yard extra points are an eyesore. What a stupid experiment. You know what the NFL didn't need? More games decided by things like extra points and officiating.
Don't care at all about the loss. This game turned on a phantom PI on 1st and 35, Cassius Marsh getting an open shot at Osweiler and letting him run for 18 yards instead of obliterating him, and two brutal game losing drops on the final drive. I thought Denver actually played better anyway, but Seattle hung in there because of a completely ridiculous number of penalties on Denver.
The Good
Paul Richardson could use some work on his run after catch, but otherwise he was very impressive tonight. He separated with ease and looked natural as a receiver. He seemed to only be targeted on short routes for some reason, but he still looked good.
A few drops by camp bodies aside, our pass catchers looked very good in general. Helfet and Lockette had some nice catches over the middle.
Tjack is still pretty good.
Terrell Pryor looked surprisingly good especially in the pocket. He would have guided Seattle to a win if not for some rotten luck in deep in the red zone. His location is slightly off, but his arm and decision making were pretty good, and his accuracy was non-horrible. Love the mobility, that's nothing new.
The starting run defense shut down Hillman as you would expect.
Brock Coyle had a good game. Great instincts, decent hitter. He looked like Lofa-lite.
Hausch money.
The Mariners played a game that actually mattered and won 13-3!
The Bad
The run defense was abysmal in the second half.
The pass rush was abysmal when the "starters" were out, though I don't remember seeing much of Avril/Bennett. Greg Scruggs and Mayowa were non-factors. Schofield got upfield a few times but most mostly a non-factor.
Seattle seemed terrified of defensive backfield penalties and as a result Denver WRs were open by a body length within 3 seconds nearly 100% of the time. Seattle was very hands off in coverage and it had a big impact on their effectiveness vs. a team like Denver. Then again, it's very possible that Seattle did this to rope-a-dope Denver for week 3.
The officiating, even though it mostly benefited Seattle. Too many flags. Borderline unwatchable. Definitely worse than last preseason and that is saying a lot.
Robert Turbin couldn't beat Denver's not so athletic defenders to the edge, and was his usual ineffective self on north/south runs. I laughed when people at training camp compared Turbin to Julius Jones two years ago. Now I'm starting to see their point (assuming you picture JJ with bigger biceps and less balance).
I don't know if Ware added weight to play full back but he's lost a step he couldn't afford to lose. His athleticism was fringe last year but I loved how he made up for it in other areas. But this year he looks like Kendrys Morales running out there. Slooooow. He even appears to have lost quite a bit of his power too.
Disappointing game for Scruggs, Mayowa, and Brooks.
Not sure if good or bad
Christine Michael started well, though he once again showed his tendency to slide or fall down when more yards were there. Even his best run of the night involved him quitting on a TD despite the defender being in terrible position to stop him at the 1 yard line. Lynch just gets in right there 100 times out of 100. Fortunately, Michael would punch it in shortly after with a good short yardage run.
Seattle's best RB on the night was their 4th string guy who is (relatively) undersized and clearly has no shot of making the team as he does not even fit Seattle's profile. Seattle's run blocking was pretty bad in the first half and other than Michael turning poor blocking into 3 yard gains occasionally there wasn't much to be happy about in the run game from Michael/Turbin/Ware.
Marsh looks like a 3-4 OLB to me playing DT. Against decent protection he was a non-factor, but he took advantage of some blown blocks against scrubs to have a productive game. Marsh needs a lot of space to make plays.
Marsh doesn't look like a 265-270 pound player to me. By the eyeball test he looks roughly the same size as Mayowa. His blown sack on Osweiler highlighted Marsh's lack of size and power for his position. But even an undersized LB needs to make that play, much less a DT/DE hybrid. Bobby Wagner demolishes QBs on plays like that and he's been around 235 the last couple seasons.
Bailey is so weird. He has the body of a pure road grader and doesn't have the fastest feet. But he's rock solid in pass pro while being kinda weak in power blocking situations.
Britt had a better game than I thought he would but has the usual anchor issues against the bull rush. His run blocking was disappointing. He was bad overall, but I chalk that up as a minor positive since I expected him to be a disaster against Denver's pass rushers.
Sweezy was the only starter to start and he was pulled quickly. This backup line was actually okay in pass protection to my surprise, but mostly sucked in run blocking until Denver went full camp body in the 2nd half.
Not that I blame him much, but I thought Wilson was our least effective QB tonight because he was paranoid and didn't trust his protection as much as he maybe should have. TJack and Pryor stepped up in the pocket more and were more
effective as passers. When our OL is at less than its best I think it hurts Wilson more than his backups because IMO he plays his best when relaxed. It's fun to think about how good Wilson could be this year if our OL improves and in turn Russell trusts them more.
genius!lvnginhwktwn":1z47inx1 said:I think Wilson woke up a little more sore this morning than he's use to.
RolandDeschain":3jcj1fl5 said:Why should any form of scoring be completely automatic? Either remove extra point kicks and make TDs worth 7, or move them back even farther, IMO. I think it'd be interesting if they were 45-yard attempts.
billio155":iu5enkvl said:Pryor is fine when everything works the way it is supposed to; clean pocket, good route...etc. But he looks confused and unsure of himself when the play breaks down. He also has a nasty habit of starring down his receiver pre-snap. If the route is supposed to go to the slot receiver then he stands under center and eyeballs the receiver like "ok he is going to run to this spot, I just have to throw it to spot x." It was so bad I started guessing which side he was going to throw to. He is an amazing athlete, but I don't think he has the mental aptitude to handle the job. I don't know if anyone noticed the shot of Bevell trying to show him film on the sideline, but if you did, you saw a disinterested guy who to quick glance and then starred at the ground. Meanwhile Wilson was on the other side of Bevell studying the film of a play he wasn't even involved in. He's not going to make the team.
ImTheScientist":33kju40n said:We had 10 guys out, bronco's had 0. My impression is that had an effect on things. I really don't agree with much the OP said, but thats pretty standard. I do however appreciate the effort put into the post.
kearly":abrioxym said:RolandDeschain":abrioxym said:Why should any form of scoring be completely automatic? Either remove extra point kicks and make TDs worth 7, or move them back even farther, IMO. I think it'd be interesting if they were 45-yard attempts.
I still remember a game in 2008 when the eventual 0-12 Huskies scored a last second TD on a Jake Locker run. All they needed was an extra point to head to overtime, but because they celebrated the play (understandable), they added 15 yards on the PAT. Which they missed. Worst ending to a game ever.
I'm fine with automatic PATs, but potentially deciding a game on a point after is a really really bad idea. You think people hate ties, they will hate losing a game on an arbitrarily long PAT a thousand times more.
EastCoastHawksFan":18vru36l said:I thought our 4th string RB Bronson showed a lot. I'm not sure why you would write him off so quickly knowing what our team is all about .
Turbin showed me nothing , I wouldn't be surprised if we put him on the block and maybe a team like the Jaguars snatch him up
You can't assess that in a vacuum. Russell got nailed pretty hard at least twice. Add-in the fact that he was playing behind 2nd stringers (who were lined up against a first string DL) and it's silly to ding him for not 'trusting' his OL.hawk45":36cq0o9g said:Have to agree with OP that RW didn't trust his protection much, and that Tjack and Pryor don't get as antsy behind bad protection (because I believe they can see a bit more when the pocket isn't as clean) but I thought Wilson was the most effective passer, despite that, by far.
When Pryor broke the pocket, he was no threat at all and made poor decisions running and throwing. Russ was able to function outside the pocket, no surprise there.
Pryor looks like he looked in Oakland. He can string together a few good plays despite less-than-stellar accuracy, but the game is too fast for him and when it's time to make that one play to extend the drive, he fails.
Pryor's success came late in the game against nobodies. Russ played better his rookie season against the 1s in preseason (obviously since he won the starting job).
I'm hoping Pete's fascination with Pryor is exhausted sooner rather than later. Just don't think he can be a contributor, even in a backup role, where Tjack is solid.