no shit. would hate to have a badass in the slot, and not be able to hit him on a slant routeseanoob":3e5x4042 said:Love this kind of discussion. I'm curious what will happen when #11 comes back.
Cartire":20bytddi said:No one is gonna want to hear this, but this is the truth. Quick slants require three step drops. Wilson's height does become a factor here without a throwing lane.
have a hard time seeing any coach disliking the quick slant. such a beautiful play, works well on third down as wellformido":2wuoo97a said:Cartire":2wuoo97a said:No one is gonna want to hear this, but this is the truth. Quick slants require three step drops. Wilson's height does become a factor here without a throwing lane.
Not even sure what you mean. .NET eats this up now. Even though Wilson's height is by far the least important consideration in how our offense works, even though we have just enormous evidence that Carroll hates the short, rhythm passing game, even though we have a QB in this very league (Brees) at the same eye and release level who thrives on the short passing game, and even though we started to work in short passes in obvious response to how defenses are playing us and not in response to a sudden Wilson growth spurt...every other post is about Wilson's height. Folks should read the posted fieldgulls article.
Later in the year, Wilson will be more efficient in his production. How will it be explained? Will he have gotten taller? Last season Wilson was #5 in passer rating. Was he taller then? Seattle's offense is 7th in the NFL in DVOA. Are all the QBs below him shorter than Wilson?
non-prophet.org":3nadzj1f said:have a hard time seeing any coach disliking the quick slant. such a beautiful play, works well on third down as well
as opposed to what?DavidSeven":i6ec7xd7 said:non-prophet.org":i6ec7xd7 said:have a hard time seeing any coach disliking the quick slant. such a beautiful play, works well on third down as well
It's also more likely to be intercepted.
non-prophet.org":1fldbbmh said:as opposed to what?DavidSeven":1fldbbmh said:non-prophet.org":1fldbbmh said:have a hard time seeing any coach disliking the quick slant. such a beautiful play, works well on third down as well
It's also more likely to be intercepted.
This seems extremely situationalDavidSeven":3uctodq1 said:non-prophet.org":3uctodq1 said:as opposed to what?DavidSeven":3uctodq1 said:non-prophet.org":3uctodq1 said:have a hard time seeing any coach disliking the quick slant. such a beautiful play, works well on third down as well
It's also more likely to be intercepted.
Balls thrown toward the outside or deep middle where there are less defensive bodies.
Cartire":e0w1uouv said:No one is gonna want to hear this, but this is the truth. Quick slants require three step drops. Wilson's height does become a factor here without a throwing lane.
non-prophet.org":2uhrufh2 said:This seems extremely situational
i understand there's more risk involved due to a bounce or a tip in the middle of the field. does that mean we should shy away from it all together. i think the reward is greater than the risk. the risk seems pretty high with the jump ball situations on the sideline as well. still extremely situational depending on down/defense. we have extremely physical wrs give them the ball and let them pound for yards. feels like we are on the verge of becoming too predictable in regards to the pass gameDavidSeven":3mg25irg said:non-prophet.org":3mg25irg said:This seems extremely situational
A throw toward a corner route should be virtually impossible to intercept if thrown accurately, unless you're facing a 6'3 cornerback with elite ball skills like Richard Sherman. An accurate throw toward a quick slant can bounce off a receiver's pads or be tipped toward a defender. A linebacker or shallow safety can also undercut the route and step right in the passing lane.
non-prophet.org":3huztd5p said:i understand there's more risk involved due to a bounce or a tip in the middle of the field. does that mean we should shy away from it all together. i think the reward is greater than the risk. the risk seems pretty high with the jump ball situations on the sideline as well. still extremely situation depending on down/defense. we have extremely physical wrs give them the ball and let them pound for yards. feels like we are on the verge of becoming to predictable in regards to the pass gameDavidSeven":3huztd5p said:non-prophet.org":3huztd5p said:This seems extremely situational
A throw toward a corner route should be virtually impossible to intercept if thrown accurately, unless you're facing a 6'3 cornerback with elite ball skills like Richard Sherman. An accurate throw toward a quick slant can bounce off a receiver's pads or be tipped toward a defender. A linebacker or shallow safety can also undercut the route and step right in the passing lane.
this recipe has been good for the team so far. just not so good for my heart!DavidSeven":2auo5ysd said:non-prophet.org":2auo5ysd said:i understand there's more risk involved due to a bounce or a tip in the middle of the field. does that mean we should shy away from it all together. i think the reward is greater than the risk. the risk seems pretty high with the jump ball situations on the sideline as well. still extremely situation depending on down/defense. we have extremely physical wrs give them the ball and let them pound for yards. feels like we are on the verge of becoming to predictable in regards to the pass gameDavidSeven":2auo5ysd said:non-prophet.org":2auo5ysd said:This seems extremely situational
A throw toward a corner route should be virtually impossible to intercept if thrown accurately, unless you're facing a 6'3 cornerback with elite ball skills like Richard Sherman. An accurate throw toward a quick slant can bounce off a receiver's pads or be tipped toward a defender. A linebacker or shallow safety can also undercut the route and step right in the passing lane.
No, I agree that it needs to be mixed in because of the way opposing teams are starting to defend us and because of our protection issues. I just think Carroll has historically shied away from those throws because there is a higher inherent risk of turnover, and that's the #1 thing he is concerned about on the offensive side of the ball. I honestly don't think he minds being predictable, because he feels our run game will wear teams out, even if they're expecting it.