Jamal Adams Traded to Seattle!

[KitsapGuy]

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[SoulfishHawk]

Skip Bayless? Oh brother, not even 1 percent of what he says makes a difference. Dude is the ultimate tool.

 

[hawkfan68]

Skip Bayless thinks Seahawks made a foolish trade...therefore using my 'whatever Bayless says, the opposite must be true' logic, it was a brilliant trade.

Bayless would be singing a different tune if his Cowboys got Adams. He's full of sour grapes cause Adams went to a better team. Not all media members are mediots but Bayless fits the definition of a mediot perfectly.

 

[94Smith]

Yeah right, they weren't interested in maybe the best safety in football. Got it...….

It didn't say they weren't interested. It says they never made a call on him. I don't think it would be possible for the 49ers to fit him in to the overall picture with the new contracts that are coming up and the possible contracture of the salary cap post COVID. I also think they are happy with what our SS Tartt can bring when healthy. Lynch is not one to lie about what his activities were. He has acknowledged the interest they had in Odell Beckham in the past and that they considered Tom Brady this offseason.

 

[flv]

Great player. NFL position of low importance. NFL position of low Seahawks need. Big overpay. Looks like 1 more win in 2020, neutral in 2021, and 1 less win per year in the following 3 years.

“Low importance”?

Are you sure about that?


I’d say if you have a mediocre D line and pass rushing specialist, DBs become VERY IMPORTANT.

I'm absolutely sure. I'd take 3 DL, MLB, and 2 CBs ahead of the other 5 defensive positions. There's more than 1 way to win but historically being good/great at football's key positions has been more valuable than being good/great at the less important positions. Now if a team can be good/great at those lesser value positions without using large amounts of additional resources over being mediocre there then that's obviously a big plus. It comes down to resource management.

If I had a mediocre D line and pass rushing specialist, i'd prioritise improving them over improving the S position.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It's July 27th :?

 

[flv]

The safety is the lynch pen for Pete's defenses. Maybe Safety is "low" impotence other places, but here he is the key.

Maybe Pete's defense isn't getting the best out of what's available. :|

 

[SoulfishHawk]

:roll:
There is still over a MONTH before the season even starts. And they just cleared up more cap space. Something is about to go down, regardless how negative you want to spin it. They are going to add to this roster, and soon. Clowney or Everson G.

 

[Smellyman]

Two late first round picks are like those unopened Star Wars action figures worth Thousands!

 

[scutterhawk]

Great player. NFL position of low importance. NFL position of low Seahawks need. Big overpay. Looks like 1 more win in 2020, neutral in 2021, and 1 less win per year in the following 3 years.

“Low importance”?

Are you sure about that?


I’d say if you have a mediocre D line and pass rushing specialist, DBs become VERY IMPORTANT.

You're exactly right pmed, all one has to do is go back to last Season to see how much just adding Quandre Diggs to the Defense...Now with the addition of Jamal Adams!?!, this is a VERY smart move on Pete & John's part :irishdrinkers:
Not enough credit is given to Coaches who recognize Football instincts, and knows how to get the most out of those gifted players....Pete Carroll is one of the best at it.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Our defensive line appeared to completely dominate one game last season (@SF), which happened to coincide with SF having their key receiving targets injured. That's one good indication that our secondary play impacts the defensive line outcomes significantly and the causation last year went from back to front much of the time.

That was the game that Clowney practically, single handily beat the Niners himself. Guess who we havent signed?

 

[Smellyman]

One game isn't worth what Clowney wants.

Guess who also hasn't signed Clowney.

 

[ivotuk]

Great post. Another thing people are forgetting is that NFL front offices devalue future draft picks by 1 round.

i.e.: trading the 2021 1st round pick means the Jets are getting 2nd round value out of it. Most likely it will be a late 1st round pick which lowers it's value even further.

For 2022, the Jets get "late" 3rd round value.

THEN, there is the possibility of no College Games in 2020, and the pick values drop even further. Mel Kiper and Todd McShay will be out of a job because there's no film to review. Add to that, injury rates climbing for players with a lack of structured conditioning, and zero reps... draft pick value drops like a Skyscraper Turd on to 150 degree concrete.

Nobody will know who's ranked where, and the 2021 NFL Draft will be a crap shoot.

But like the Genius he is, John Schneider asked for a 3rd round pick in return to make other GMs overlook the future draft pick devaluation. Misdirection. :snack:

Draft pick points:

1st round, 6th pick = 1600 points (Adam's pick by Jets)

1st Round, 22 pick = 780 points (2021 draft)
1st Round, 22 pick = 780 points (2022 draft)
3rd round, 22 pick = 160 points (2021 draft
TOTAL = 1720 points

So basically, it looks like the Seahawks broke even in the draft department. If they rank later than 22, then the deal becomes better (per draft points) for the Seahawks. If they rank earlier than 22, then the deal becomes worse.

http://www.mynfldraft.com/nfl-draft-pick-points-chart/

Cap Space:

McDougald, 8 year vet, 2020 Cap hit = $4.1 million cap hit. McDougald becomes a UFA after 2020.
Adams = reported as a $3.6 mil cap hit in 2020 and $9.8 mil in 2021

So, basically, the Seahawks got Adams $500k cheaper than McDougald for 2020, though likely more expensive in 2021. However, if he is all he is suppose to be, it will be well worth it.

The more I look into this trade, the more I like. On the surface it looked bad, but deep down, I think it was a great trade.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... ad%20money.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-je ... ald-12835/

 

[vonstout]

Great post. Another thing people are forgetting is that NFL front offices devalue future draft picks by 1 round.

i.e.: trading the 2021 1st round pick means the Jets are getting 2nd round value out of it. Most likely it will be a late 1st round pick which lowers it's value even further.

For 2022, the Jets get "late" 3rd round value.

THEN, there is the possibility of no College Games in 2020, and the pick values drop even further. Mel Kiper and Todd McShay will be out of a job because there's no film to review. Add to that, injury rates climbing for players with a lack of structured conditioning, and zero reps... draft pick value drops like a Skyscraper Turd on to 150 degree concrete.

Nobody will know who's ranked where, and the 2021 NFL Draft will be a crap shoot.

But like the Genius he is, John Schneider asked for a 3rd round pick in return to make other GMs overlook the future draft pick devaluation. Misdirection. :snack:

Draft pick points:

1st round, 6th pick = 1600 points (Adam's pick by Jets)

1st Round, 22 pick = 780 points (2021 draft)
1st Round, 22 pick = 780 points (2022 draft)
3rd round, 22 pick = 160 points (2021 draft
TOTAL = 1720 points

So basically, it looks like the Seahawks broke even in the draft department. If they rank later than 22, then the deal becomes better (per draft points) for the Seahawks. If they rank earlier than 22, then the deal becomes worse.

http://www.mynfldraft.com/nfl-draft-pick-points-chart/

Cap Space:

McDougald, 8 year vet, 2020 Cap hit = $4.1 million cap hit. McDougald becomes a UFA after 2020.
Adams = reported as a $3.6 mil cap hit in 2020 and $9.8 mil in 2021

So, basically, the Seahawks got Adams $500k cheaper than McDougald for 2020, though likely more expensive in 2021. However, if he is all he is suppose to be, it will be well worth it.

The more I look into this trade, the more I like. On the surface it looked bad, but deep down, I think it was a great trade.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/sea ... ad%20money.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-je ... ald-12835/

This article is very interesting. Like you said, it suggests that a draft pick for next years draft is devalued by 1 round, but a pick 2 years out is still only devalued by 1 round. The fact that Seattle and New England both trade down regularly matches up with this article too.

http://www.profootballlogic.com/article ... aft-picks/

 

[MrThortan]

I just hope we don't become the Browns and end up with top ten picks the next two years. :242735: I know it is highly unlikely with Russ behind center. One case of covid spreading through camp though...

 

[pmedic920]

Imagine:

Imagine what playing the 9ers twice a year would be like if they had snagged him.

Bunch of “what ifs” to consider but what if he was a 49er and we couldn’t fix our Oline issues.

This kid is a game changer.

Imagine Russ trying to elude this kid on Blitz, imagine him roaming free in the backfield while Russ scrambles for his life.

Not having to play against him twice a year makes the cost of the trade much less expensive IMHO.

IM IN.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

This, times 10 ^^^^

 

[TwistedHusky]

I am going to be as optimistic as Soulfish on this one.

We came very close to getting homefield vs the 49ers last year. This year we are better.

Last year a pass defense with a DVOA rank of 26??

Almost any player added to the mix would improve that, and we got an All Pro.

Sure SS is diminished in value everywhere else, but it matters here. Look at the impact Kam had, then look at how we played without him. (I don't consider Adams the equal of Kam but the point stands).

Does this get us another SB? Probably not. The way Carroll coaches almost assures we lose somewhere along the road in the playoffs. But if we win a game in the playoffs that isn't a wildcard, this is a win. Because we haven't done that since the SB loss.

Will it make us competitive with the 49ers? We already were competitive with them.

It makes us better now though.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Absolutely makes the team better immediately. Also, I love hearing the guys from NY talking about him. How good a teammate he is, and how incredibly versatile he is. He's not just some "box safety" like some want to make him out to be in the media. I'll never argue they that that didn't give up a haul, but to get one of the best in the league, you gotta' give up a lot. And him NOT on the Niners? Hell yes.

 

[pmedic920]

A must watch.
[youtube]vRcETBe6iOA[/youtube]


A little something for everyone in this short debate, but all good points.

6.5 minutes, worth your time.

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