Importance of the Center position

[pittpnthrs]

They lost three games by one point and three more by a field goal.

If we flip those they are 11-6 instead of 5-12. They had a few other games settled by a touchdown.

With his two best offensive weapons, i'm sure it would have been a lot easier to flip those games.

 

[LickMyNuts]

With his two best offensive weapons, i'm sure it would have been a lot easier to flip those games.

I thought it was the coach’s fault?

Denver actually moved the ball pretty well but they had trouble scoring.

There were open receivers but they were missed.

 

[pittpnthrs]

I thought it was the coach’s fault?

Denver actually moved the ball pretty well but they had trouble scoring.

There were open receivers but they were missed.

The coach did that team no favors. Its why he's no longer there.

I forgot, its only Wilson that doesnt throw to open receivers around here. Also, thanks for paying so much attention to the Broncos last season. Good to know we all have an authority to turn to when we need to.

 

[Kamcussionator]

2 pages on the original topic and 3 pages of Russell Wilson slap fight. This is why we can't have nice things...

 

[pittpnthrs]

2 pages on the original topic and 3 pages of Russell Wilson slap fight. This is why we can't have nice things...

Your right, but there is some logic to it. When Wilson was here, the center position was an afterthought. Now that he's gone, its suddenly important again.

 

[Maelstrom787]

With his two best offensive weapons, i'm sure it would have been a lot easier to flip those games.

Probably would've been even easier with a quarterback who played better than "absolutely dogshit."

 

[nwHawk]

How about the fact that he's signed for only one year.

Did you really not know?

Spot on.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Probably would've been even easier with a quarterback who played better than "absolutely dogshit."

Cant argue that. He did not play well last season for sure.

 

[scutterhawk]

Obviously you want the best players you can get at every position, but I still really don't get why so many here are fixated on the center position and at this point it feels like a pointless discussion. Maybe that's a Seahawks twitter thing or it's just the echo chamber in here.

This franchise went to a Super Bowl once behind a top offensive line. But how far down our roster on that 2005 team do you have to go before labeling Tobeck the next best player?

Russ took 44 sacks and 42 sacks his last two seasons with Unger. The next two seasons without Unger he took 45 sacks and 41 sacks. That includes the season with the Nowak disaster at center (2015).

Why are free agent centers paid less than the other offensive line positions?

Why are centers drafted lower than almost every other position?

Why did our offense run fine last season with Blythe, who was a cheap vet pickup on a 1m guaranteed / 4m contract?

My working theory is that posters are still scapegoating Pocic for Russ's shortcomings.

Robbie Tobeck had two HOF'rs to his left, and that's where a LOT of folks think that Shawn Alexander had MOST of his easy-peasy runs, BUT, fact is, a LOT of Alexander 'The Great's' Plays were to Tobeck's RIGHT...MOST Defenses did NOT expect him to go to that side, because HOF Maulers Walter Jones & Steve Hutchinson had hammered down the Left side of the Offense...Robbie Tobeck was a SMART & SUPER-EFFICIENT Center, and is NOW being underrated for what he'd accomplished playing the Center Position.... GOOD CENTER PLAY>>MATTERS!!!!

 

[scutterhawk]

Precisely.

The middle rounds is where most teams get their Centers.

Centers don't go in the top 10. Even the generational prospects at the position. High quality centers routinely go in the 2nd.

Which has made it even more baffling how they can't seem to find a long term answer there for going on a decade. Cable years aside.

DUHHH! THINK!!! fade, THINK about what you're saying!! shit just ain't adding up with YOUR beatdown on Pete NOR on John.
You ain't got to be no Einstein to figure the equation out,
Putting down every move that Pete & John are making makes you look STUPID!

 

[Mick063]

2 pages on the original topic and 3 pages of Russell Wilson slap fight. This is why we can't have nice things...

Tell me what the "nice thing" is that this conversation has denied you.

 

[Fade]

DUHHH! THINK!!! fade, THINK about what you're saying!! shit just ain't adding up with YOUR beatdown on Pete NOR on John.
You ain't got to be no Einstein to figure the equation out,
Putting down every move that Pete & John are making makes you look STUPID!

I don't put down every move they make. What are you talking about?

 

[scutterhawk]

You're not being honest Fade, you are constantly peeing on every move that YOU perceive as a screwup, when IN FACT >IF<it were you holding the reigns, you'd very likely have MORE of a negative frame of the moves than what JS & PC have had.
Just tired of the 20-20 vision looking to the past....It's really easy to point out where they COULD have done better picking in the last ten years of Drafting's, I mean hell, NOBODY, but NOBODY KNEW that McDowell (for example) was going to sh*t the bed before playing a single snap in the NFL...ALL the accolades & fooferah had him being an absolute monster, and easily a SAFE Round #1 pick.

 

[nwHawk]

Your right, but there is some logic to it. When Wilson was here, the center position was an afterthought. Now that he's gone, its suddenly important again.

Some people choose to read what you want…

 

[Fade]

You're not being honest Fade, you are constantly peeing on every move that YOU perceive as a screwup, when IN FACT >IF<it were you holding the reigns, you'd very likely have MORE of a negative frame of the moves than what JS & PC have had.
Just tired of the 20-20 vision looking to the past....It's really easy to point out where they COULD have done better picking in the last ten years of Drafting's, I mean hell, NOBODY, but NOBODY KNEW that McDowell (for example) was going to sh*t the bed before playing a single snap in the NFL...ALL the accolades & fooferah had him being an absolute monster, and easily a SAFE Round #1 pick.

If McDowell was a safe Round #1 pick he would've went in the 1st round. He wasn't.

They struggle to field a competent defense, despite the massive investment. You have to be a real special piece of work to not recognize how terrible they have been at putting that unit together for what is inching towards a decade in the not too distant future. This is a fact not my opinion.

I praise their offensive picks over the same time frame. I don't "Pee" on those as you say, because they do a good job on that side of the ball. I praised the Geno contract as well. Hell, I wish they drafted more on offense and less on defense because of this fact.

Pete Carroll DB Whispering aside, they are a trainwreck on defense. And with Clint Hurtt and co. trotting out the same mess they want to call a scheme as last year, I have zero confidence it will be any different from what we've been watching for a long time now.

Aren't you sick of it? The one being dishonest is you. Stop lying to yourself and recognize there is an issue on defense and changes at the top need to occur for it to get fixed. Most will be on my side if they are bottom 5 again after this year. There are no more excuses.

 

[HawksNation]

Precisely.

The middle rounds is where most teams get their Centers.

Centers don't go in the top 10. Even the generational prospects at the position. High quality centers routinely go in the 2nd.

Which has made it even more baffling how they can't seem to find a long term answer there for going on a decade. Cable years aside.

Adding we trade down at some point and end with 12 draft picks, I wouldn’t mind if we ended the draft with a Center and 2 Guards. We could have the best O line in the NFC

 

[LickMyNuts]

The Seahawks have invested plenty into the OL including when RW was QB.

What they failed to do was draft good players or develop them.

Some of this falls on Tom Cable who had built too much credibility after we won a SB.

It is my hope with the offensive line talent we have acquired that the scouting and decision making with regards to the OL are fixed.

 

[nwHawk]

Another way to look at past lines, what if those added to the team were destined to fail because of how the offense was structured?

R3 re-enforced just how hard it was to block for him in Denver. We will never know for sure. But if bringing in traditional players equates to future success I think we can all breathe easier about the future.

 

[toffee]

We have 10 picks, more if we trade down, unless there aren't any serviceable centers available, no reason not to pick one. The question would be, to pick one of the college centers? Or a guard/tackle as conversion project.

 

[Fade]

Adding we trade down at some point and end with 12 draft picks, I wouldn’t mind if we ended the draft with a Center and 2 Guards. We could have the best O line in the NFC

That would be something I would be eyeing if I were the Seahawks. They have 3 young quality pieces on the O-Line already, just need 2 more and they could have the best O-Line in the NFL in a year or two.