Here’s why the Seahawks shouldn’t tank for a franchise QB

[scutterhawk]

The NFL is all about using assets to build a winner. Teams need to use draft picks and cap space to acquire talent. The Rams went from 2003 to 2017 without winning more than 7 games in a season. Since 2017 their lowest season win total has been 9 games. They win because they have good players and used draft picks(via trade or picks) to acquire good players. If losing DNA was a thing they would still be bad.

The idea that teams "need to build a winning mentality" is BS. Teams win because they draft well and maximize cap spending. That is what builds winners.

Teams that are indecisive in holding onto picks or players too long cause teams to decay.

So, hmm you're sayin' that the Seahawks hung onto Russ & Bobby for too damned long?

 

[scutterhawk]

Conveniently the league has passed Pete by. He won't be tanking, but he won't be winning a lot of games. The system works.

But the bottomline is, regardless of record JS has to find a way to get that QB. Old man will move on eventually, then they can get a coach who specializes in developing QBs.

They don't get that QB, or draft the wrong one, well… settle in, it's going to be a longtime until they're relevant again.

There IS NO POLITE WAY to say that I think you are FULL OF IT.
Pete or NO Pete, Even a "Self-Developed" Russell Wilson >>WITHOUT<>PETE'S<>L.O.B<> WAS N-O-T going to get us that Super Bowl 48 Win....Yes, Russell Wilson >>>>H-E-L-P-E-D<<<< to get the Seahawks that 1st Lombardi, but if that All World Defense falters (like it did the following year) Russ was NOT savvy enough to dig down & surpass the play of Tom Brady & his TEN POINT COME-BACK TO WIN THAT NAIL-BITER.

 

[olyfan63]

Pete will never "Tank", he will always try to do the best, compete the hardest, with what he has. Would Avril and Bennett have wanted to sign with a tanking team?

 

[olyfan63]

There IS NO POLITE WAY to say that I think you are FULL OF IT.
Pete or NO Pete, Even a "Self-Developed" Russell Wilson >>WITHOUT<>PETE'S<>L.O.B<> WAS N-O-T going to get us that Super Bowl 48 Win....Yes, Russell Wilson >>>>H-E-L-P-E-D<<<< to get the Seahawks that 1st Lombardi, but if that All World Defense falters (like it did the following year) Russ was NOT savvy enough to dig down & surpass the play of Tom Brady & his TEN POINT COME-BACK TO WIN THAT NAIL-BITER.

Now we will find out just how important Russell was to winning SB48 and losing SB49. We needed Russell's 4th-and-7 TD pass vs the 49ers in the NFCCG just to get to SB48. We needed lots of key plays from Russell in the narrow regular season wins vs Houston and Tampa Bay in order to get HFA through the playoffs. (and we needed Shoeless Dick Sherman's pick-6) For SB48 it's fair to say that Carroll and Bevell's system put Russell in position to be successful, and Russell did his part.

For SB49 I'd say that Bevell put Russell in a terrible position with a playcall that relied on the weakest part of Russell's game and targeted the worst receiver on the team, instead of using Russell's strengths (e.g. mobility). Russell created that outcome by "trusting the playcall" instead of knowing enough to see, pre-snap, the play design wouldn't work since it relied on Jerome Kearse manhandling Brandon Browner, and either targeting a different receiver or changing the play.

So, ultimately, we don't have to have the greatest QB of all time, we just have to have a QB with some strengths and an OC and coach who have a plan to consistently put that QB in position to use those strengths. Pete's preferred way is defense and running game/balanced offense and winning the turnover battle. That 2019 Tennessee Titans team won playoff games with Pete Carroll-style football. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Tennessee_Titans_season#Postseason A QB like a Ryan Tannehill can get teams to a Super Bowl (and win) with a good enough defense, running game, and winning the turnover battle. Unless, of course, you're unlucky enough to face a loaded KC team with a Patrick Mahomes on his rookie contract in the conference championship.

FWIW, Tom Brady's last pass as a Patriot was a pick-6 thrown to that Titans defense in the Patriots wildcard-round loss to the 2019 Titans.

Our young D showed some very nice flashes in preseason. Our OL and running game as well. We appear to have very good young tackles now. A game manager QB who has a few nice strengths could be all it takes for this team to become a playoff contender again.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

This is where Carroll shines watch How these young guys develope... how quick these guys start producing. they are going to take some hits but its going to be fun to watch these young guys grow together.they are good players.carroll is going to make them great. And we get to watch it happen.

I agree. Pete coaches to win. Period. That is how you develop these young players.

 

[scutterhawk]

Now we will find out just how important Russell was to winning SB48 and losing SB49. We needed Russell's 4th-and-7 TD pass vs the 49ers in the NFCCG just to get to SB48. We needed lots of key plays from Russell in the narrow regular season wins vs Houston and Tampa Bay in order to get HFA through the playoffs. (and we needed Shoeless Dick Sherman's pick-6) For SB48 it's fair to say that Carroll and Bevell's system put Russell in position to be successful, and Russell did his part.

For SB49 I'd say that Bevell put Russell in a terrible position with a playcall that relied on the weakest part of Russell's game and targeted the worst receiver on the team, instead of using Russell's strengths (e.g. mobility). Russell created that outcome by "trusting the playcall" instead of knowing enough to see, pre-snap, the play design wouldn't work since it relied on Jerome Kearse manhandling Brandon Browner, and either targeting a different receiver or changing the play.

So, ultimately, we don't have to have the greatest QB of all time, we just have to have a QB with some strengths and an OC and coach who have a plan to consistently put that QB in position to use those strengths. Pete's preferred way is defense and running game/balanced offense and winning the turnover battle. That 2019 Tennessee Titans team won playoff games with Pete Carroll-style football. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Tennessee_Titans_season#Postseason A QB like a Ryan Tannehill can get teams to a Super Bowl (and win) with a good enough defense, running game, and winning the turnover battle. Unless, of course, you're unlucky enough to face a loaded KC team with a Patrick Mahomes on his rookie contract in the conference championship.

FWIW, Tom Brady's last pass as a Patriot was a pick-6 thrown to that Titans defense in the Patriots wildcard-round loss to the 2019 Titans.

Our young D showed some very nice flashes in preseason. Our OL and running game as well. We appear to have very good young tackles now. A game manager QB who has a few nice strengths could be all it takes for this team to become a playoff contender again.

Brady put up 10 unanswered points, Russ had no answers in that span of time....It's almost like, at willy-nilly times Russ gets NO BLAME for when he doesn't Execute correctly, and the blame for a poorly executed play goes to everyone EXCEPT Russell Wilson.
And too, without that Defense & Richard Sherman's 'TIP' on Kaepernick's pass, we don't even go on to play in the Super Bowl either.... This is a Team Sport, & the POINTS of CREDIT goes to everyone involved in GETTING us to the big dance in the first place.
I can't disagree with you on how the '2022' squad seems to be shaking out so far, let's just hope that the Run Game shows some of the same 'Get After it' that they were producing in the games towards the end of last season.
Hearing that Richard Sherman intends to offer up some inside tips to our new Drafted Rookie Cornerback sounds promising too.
LOL on Tom Brady for throwing that "Pick-6", the man has TOO DAMNED MANY Super Bowl Rings anyway.

 

[Vesuve]

Conveniently the league has passed Pete by. He won't be tanking, but he won't be winning a lot of games. The system works.

But the bottomline is, regardless of record JS has to find a way to get that QB. Old man will move on eventually, then they can get a coach who specializes in developing QBs.

They don't get that QB, or draft the wrong one, well… settle in, it's going to be a longtime until they're relevant again.

Wise words and insight, IMO.

I hope Pete decides to retire after this year.......

 

[toffee]

So, hmm you're sayin' that the Seahawks hung onto Russ & Bobby for too damned long?

Absolutely, firstly, we got NOTHING for Bobby. Secondly, we could have gotten more for Russ by trading him a few seasons earlier. As is, by holding on to both, how many conference championship games have we won?

 

[toffee]

Brady put up 10 unanswered points, Russ had no answers in that span of time....It's almost like, at willy-nilly times Russ gets NO BLAME for when he doesn't Execute correctly, and the blame for a poorly executed play goes to everyone EXCEPT Russell Wilson.
And too, without that Defense & Richard Sherman's 'TIP' on Kaepernick's pass, we don't even go on to play in the Super Bowl either.... This is a Team Sport, & the POINTS of CREDIT goes to everyone involved in GETTING us to the big dance in the first place.
I can't disagree with you on how the '2022' squad seems to be shaking out so far, let's just hope that the Run Game shows some of the same 'Get After it' that they were producing in the games towards the end of last season.
Hearing that Richard Sherman intends to offer up some inside tips to our new Drafted Rookie Cornerback sounds promising too.
LOL on Tom Brady for throwing that "Pick-6", the man has TOO DAMNED MANY Super Bowl Rings anyway.

See, without the run game, without time and holes from OL, without defense, the 2022 Hawks won't go anywhere. ABSOLUTELY true.

Wow, without the run game, without time and holes from OL, without defense, the Wilson carried Hawks didn't go anywhere. ABSOLUTELY true, too.

When Russell Wilson was "Carrying" the Hawks, how far did we go? Not far!

When Russell Wilson was the game manager, how far did we go? Super bowls.

Think.

Pete Carroll may not be Bill Belichick, Russell Wilson certainly is no Tom Brady.

 

[seabowl]

And here’s why they should tank. Of the 32 starting qbs in the league only 6 were not picked in the first round.
Russ
Geno
Brady
Mills
Cousins
Hurts
Also we all know the Hawks will pick a qb in the first next year and likely the Texans too leaving 4 out of 32 not 1st rd qbs. Yes I’m aware that tanking means you’re trying to get the first qb and not all have worked out but as a GM you want your guy. That is why they should tank.

 

[AgentDib]

Yes I’m aware that tanking means you’re trying to get the first qb and not all have worked out but as a GM you want your guy. That is why they should tank.

I'm fully on board with drafting our QB next offseason but I'm still going to be able to root for wins this season.

You'd like the first pick all things being equal. However, as of last year the odds were higher that the 2nd or 3rd QB that was selected would be a hit than the 1st guy. That's mostly a statement about how uncertain the draft is; ie. Herbert was 6th overall, Allen was 7th, Mahomes was 10th. There's probably going to be 5+ 2023 first round QBs with opinions ranging wildly on their order.

Secondly, with four 1sts and four 2nds it will be extremely feasible to move up if we do want to. There should be the standard handful of teams that end up picking early for whatever reason despite a decent situation at QB. Harder to move up from say pick #22, but if we do well without a top QB then it would be a huge credit to our overall talent level and we'll be able to afford losing some draft capital.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Carroll isnt going to tank... he is going to develope the young guys! This is a nice group

I agree with you, but unfortunately the nice group doesn't include the most important position in all of pro sports. QB.

You also don't tank on purpose, that's a good way to set your franchise back a decade and assure you and your coaches are unemployed come next off season.

As an owner you either trust your head coach and GM to build a winner, or you don't. It's obvious that Jody Allen and the Hawk brass still believe that Pete and John can build another winner. We shall see.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I wish the word "tank" would just go away. Play to win, always.

 

[Donn2390]

And here’s why they should tank. Of the 32 starting qbs in the league only 6 were not picked in the first round.
Russ
Geno
Brady
Mills
Cousins
Hurts
Also we all know the Hawks will pick a qb in the first next year and likely the Texans too leaving 4 out of 32 not 1st rd qbs. Yes I’m aware that tanking means you’re trying to get the first qb and not all have worked out but as a GM you want your guy. That is why they should tank.

Any athlete, any coach, any management person at any level, from Pop Warner on up, who even has the word "Tank" in their vocabulary, should never again be allowed to watch, participate, or discuss sports.
I can't imagine ANYONE with any pride even considering such a thing. Those who would discuss tanking are those who see no problem with attaining their goal by cheating. Play to win or don't play.

 

[hgwellz12]

You shouldn't tank because you don't know where that will get you, and it destroys the motivation of your young players.

Full stop.