Why did the Seahawks lose the last 4 in a row

[LTH]

It's a very simple answer.

It's who they played. They should have beaten the Rams they lost because of a missed FG.

The SF 49ers are destroying EVERYBODY. Nobody is hanging in there with the 49ers.

The Dallas Cowboys are destroying EVERYBODY. nobody is hanging in there with them as apparent to their blow out victory against the Eagles.

So that's three games against opponents that are just superior teams than the Seahawks.

EVERYBODY knows that the Niners and Cowboys are the best teams in the league but yet there is this expectation that the Seahawks should beat these teams, and if they don't then obviously their needs to be a coaching change? I mean how realistic is that?

The Seahawks are in the second year of a rebuild in which this year they have had so many injuries... the O line has had 10 different combinations of players this year. Geno Smith has been hurt with a bad arm the first time they played the Niners with Walker out that first game.

The second game they lost with out their starting QB and walker playing hurt.

Would you expect the niners to win without Purdy and McCaffery out or playing hurt Against the best team in the league? I think not.

Ultimately what the fan base is expecting from the Seahawks is for Pete Carroll to coach up players that are NOT as good as the rosters of the best teams in the league, and then to beat the best teams in the league. And when they can't live up to that expectation then the coach MUST be fired.

How realistic is that? It's NOT REALISTIC AT ALL.

This is the reason they have this skid.

 LTH

 

[acctingman]

#2...the Hawks just aren't that talented
#3.....coaching is horrid

 

[TwistedHusky]

This team is built and coached to beat below .500 teams.
We no longer are playing below .500 teams. So we are losing to them.

 

[LTH]

This team is built and coached to beat below .500 teams.
We no longer are playing below .500 teams. So we are losing to them.

Support that statement. How is this team built and coached to beat below .500 teams?

How many teams would actually beat a team like the 49ers and the Cowboys with a roster that is not as good? Explain to me why that expectation is valid.

LTH

 

[oldhawkfan]

It's a very simple answer.

It's who they played. They should have beaten the Rams they lost because of a missed FG.

The SF 49ers are destroying EVERYBODY. Nobody is hanging in there with the 49ers.

The Dallas Cowboys are destroying EVERYBODY. nobody is hanging in there with them as apparent to their blow out victory against the Eagles.

So that's three games against opponents that are just superior teams than the Seahawks.

EVERYBODY knows that the Niners and Cowboys are the best teams in the league but yet there is this expectation that the Seahawks should beat these teams, and if they don't then obviously their needs to be a coaching change? I mean how realistic is that?

The Seahawks are in the second year of a rebuild in which this year they have had so many injuries... the O line has had 10 different combinations of players this year. Geno Smith has been hurt with a bad arm the first time they played the Niners with Walker out that first game.

The second game they lost with out their starting QB and walker playing hurt.

Would you expect the niners to win without Purdy and McCaffery out or playing hurt Against the best team in the league? I think not.

Ultimately what the fan base is expecting from the Seahawks is for Pete Carroll to coach up players that are NOT as good as the rosters of the best teams in the league, and then to beat the best teams in the league. And when they can't live up to that expectation then the coach MUST be fired.

How realistic is that? It's NOT REALISTIC AT ALL.

This is the reason they have this skid.

 LTH

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The other teams scored more points in all 4 games.

 

[Spin Doctor]

It's a very simple answer.

It's who they played. They should have beaten the Rams they lost because of a missed FG.

The SF 49ers are destroying EVERYBODY. Nobody is hanging in there with the 49ers.

The Dallas Cowboys are destroying EVERYBODY. nobody is hanging in there with them as apparent to their blow out victory against the Eagles.

So that's three games against opponents that are just superior teams than the Seahawks.

EVERYBODY knows that the Niners and Cowboys are the best teams in the league but yet there is this expectation that the Seahawks should beat these teams, and if they don't then obviously their needs to be a coaching change? I mean how realistic is that?

The Seahawks are in the second year of a rebuild in which this year they have had so many injuries... the O line has had 10 different combinations of players this year. Geno Smith has been hurt with a bad arm the first time they played the Niners with Walker out that first game.

The second game they lost with out their starting QB and walker playing hurt.

Would you expect the niners to win without Purdy and McCaffery out or playing hurt Against the best team in the league? I think not.

Ultimately what the fan base is expecting from the Seahawks is for Pete Carroll to coach up players that are NOT as good as the rosters of the best teams in the league, and then to beat the best teams in the league. And when they can't live up to that expectation then the coach MUST be fired.

How realistic is that? It's NOT REALISTIC AT ALL.

This is the reason they have this skid.

 LTH

By your own admission, the Seahawks do not have the guns to hang with the big teams in the league. If the Seahawks were a legitimate team this season, we would have been able to snag at least one win. Instead we are a borderline playoff team that lost to both the 49ers and Rams TWICE. That missed field goal against the Rams (another team with a lot of injuries this year) was from a range that field goals are not a gimme anymore. Any 50+ yard field goal becomes more of a gamble.

This isn't unexpected either, you're talking about coaching not being an issue, but it has been.

The Seahawks have not fielded a top 10 defense since 2016, despite having the most resources of any team poured into our defense. Pete Carroll's teams have given up 500+ yards 15 times, 10 of them have come since 2020. This despite investing a top 5 pick, two firsts into Jamal Adams, trading for Diggs, putting a first into Collier, and signing god knows how many free agents. Look how many picks we've given up for defensive talent vs. our return on investment.

The Seahawks have one playoff win since 2017 to their name, and that is against a backup QB. Since our last Super Bowl appearance we have only won the NFC-West only twice within the 2015 - 2023 period. We've missed the playoffs two times, once in 2017, 2021 and now likely in 2023 during that period.

The period of times that we're missing the playoffs is starting to get shorter and shorter, the defense has been in "rebuild" since 2017 when we missed the playoffs. Our defenses have been in the bottom third of the league for years now despite the investment.

At this point I think it's time to start looking at Pete and wondering why the team hasn't been trending in the right direction. It's been a slow decline for awhile now. Coaching is starting to become an issue here. Something is broken in Seattle right now.

 

[knownone]

Injuries played a crucial role. We missed Ken and Geno for a game, and neither were 100% when they played. It is what it is. Explanations and excuses don't make a difference in the standings. They still need to find a way to win, especially in Philly.

 

[nanomoz]

It's a very simple answer.

It's who they played. They should have beaten the Rams they lost because of a missed FG.

In my eyes, they lost to the Rams becasue they refused to run the ball. Despite having just spent a 2nd-round pick on exactly the sort of running back you use to run out the clock. They had the lead the whole GD game and had to 2-to-1 pass-to-run ratio. It was a remarkable level of incompetence.

 

[RiverDog]

It's a very simple answer.

It's who they played. They should have beaten the Rams they lost because of a missed FG.

The SF 49ers are destroying EVERYBODY. Nobody is hanging in there with the 49ers.

The Dallas Cowboys are destroying EVERYBODY. nobody is hanging in there with them as apparent to their blow out victory against the Eagles.

So that's three games against opponents that are just superior teams than the Seahawks.

EVERYBODY knows that the Niners and Cowboys are the best teams in the league but yet there is this expectation that the Seahawks should beat these teams, and if they don't then obviously their needs to be a coaching change? I mean how realistic is that?

The Seahawks are in the second year of a rebuild in which this year they have had so many injuries... the O line has had 10 different combinations of players this year. Geno Smith has been hurt with a bad arm the first time they played the Niners with Walker out that first game.

The second game they lost with out their starting QB and walker playing hurt.

Would you expect the niners to win without Purdy and McCaffery out or playing hurt Against the best team in the league? I think not.

Ultimately what the fan base is expecting from the Seahawks is for Pete Carroll to coach up players that are NOT as good as the rosters of the best teams in the league, and then to beat the best teams in the league. And when they can't live up to that expectation then the coach MUST be fired.

How realistic is that? It's NOT REALISTIC AT ALL.

This is the reason they have this skid.

 LTH

Boy, more excuses than Carter's has pills.

The second year of a rebuild? What the hell has he been doing since the end of the LOB in 2016 or so? Pete's never characterized our seasons as rebuilding, even gone out of his way to deny that it is a rebuild.

And please, don't lament our bad luck with a missed FG. Bad luck goes both ways. Had that Browns' DB not dropped what would have been an easy pick 6, we would have lost 6 of our last 7 and be staring at 5-8.

The Niners haven't been beating "everybody". They've lost to 3 teams that are much like us, ie .500ish: The Browns, Bengals, and Vikings.

The reason we have this skid is because we're not that good. We're an average, .500ish borderline playoff team that's embarking on a back loaded schedule which is now catching up with our mediocre ability. That 6-3 record of the first half of our season wasn't who we are.

 

[Jerhawk]

I just don't find the answer of "the other team was better" to be a valid excuse.

Pete's Hawks used to thrive in the underdog role. Now they just roll over and piss on themselves.

 

[Titus Pullo]

Bottomline, they lost 4 in a row because of redzone offense and defense.

Everything else is negligible.

 

[RiverDog]

Bottomline, they lost 4 in a row because of redzone offense and defense.

Everything else is negligible.

Half of the Niners scoring was from outside the red zone, so it's more than just red zone defense that killed us yesterday, plus on offense, we only had one red zone possession.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Half of their scoring was from outside the red zone, so it's more than just red zone defense that killed us yesterday, plus on offense, we only had one red zone possession.

They were really exploiting our safeties and they were attacking the middle quite often. We kept running the cover 3 and they kept doing that post route to the TE and Debo Samuel. We kept rolling out the same coverage, and they kept using the same route. That's the thing about guys like Shanahan, they'll keep hitting you with the same exact thing until you show that you can stop it. We kept rolling out the same coverage expecting different results.

 

[hoxrox]

Ultimately what the fan base is expecting from the Seahawks is for Pete Carroll to coach up players that are NOT as good as the rosters of the best teams in the league, and then to beat the best teams in the league. And when they can't live up to that expectation then the coach MUST be fired.

 LTH

It's time LTH, and I've been an ardent Pete supporter for many years.

It's not that they are getting beat by more talented teams, it's how they are getting beat.

The defense is currently ranked 27th in PPG. That's unacceptable.

 

[cymatica]

They lost both Ram games after having a lead in the 4th quarter, a missed field goal is just an excuse. They always lose to McVay because they are so predictable and never adjust. On Thanksgiving, they should have played Lock, Geno didn't even practice. Yeah they probably lose, but playing an injured Geno with no reps was just stupid. The oline has had injuries, sure, but they've whiffed on the line for years and finally got some good players but they are young and have been thrown into the fire because they have no other option.

This is the result of years of failure from the top. Dallas and SF both have 3 losses, they aren't invincible. They had a chance with Dallas and choked on the final drive, with that 4th down play call really putting a magnifying glass on the coaches failing when it counts.

 

[strohmin]

How about this team just does dumb things at the worst time which has been a problem for 7 years now. Monday night is Petes last chance to really show anything this team has. Any win after a Monday night loss would be meaningless stat padding against other garbage teams who have nothing to play for.

 

[RiverDog]

They lost both Ram games after having a lead in the 4th quarter, a missed field goal is just an excuse.

This is the result of years of failure from the top. Dallas and SF both have 3 losses, they aren't invincible. They had a chance with Dallas and choked on the final drive, with that 4th down play call really putting a magnifying glass on the coaches failing when it counts.

This right here.

Rebuilding my a$$. This is the same regime that has been in place for the past 13 years. What we are seeing isn't the result of a team that had been blown up. We traded one player, and that was it. What we are seeing is the result of busted draft picks, bad trades, unwise signings, poor coaching, and unimaginative scheming, and it all leads back to one person and one person only.

 

[RiverDog]

How about this team just does dumb things at the worst time which has been a problem for 7 years now. Monday night is Petes last chance to really show anything this team has. Any win after a Monday night loss would be meaningless stat padding against other garbage teams who have nothing to play for.

10-4 on the Titans and Cards, but the Steelers are still a legitimate team that is currently sitting on the #6 seed in the AFC.

 

[LTH]

Half of the Niners scoring was from outside the red zone, so it's more than just red zone defense that killed us yesterday, plus on offense, we only had one red zone possession.

The truth is that you probably picked the niners to win the game before the game started because they are the better team. Then when the Seahawks lose to the better team you stand up and say see I told you Carroll is the problem.

LTH