Harvin likely to end year on IR

[Anonymous]

I think our FO is one of the wiser groups we've ever had and in more ways than we think.

Every personnel decision they make has probably been run through numerous probability scenarios, grids, matrices, enumeration algorithms, and been cleared by former members of the Secret Service. Hell, I'm sure they checked with the Masonic Lodge as well.

Have they made any real mistakes?

If you don't believe that giving Harvin the injury guarantee was a mistake then you obviously aren't going to accept any answer at all.

Do we have all the facts?

 

[brimsalabim]

we have the fact that he reported to camp injured.
we have the fact that he missed all but one game and almost all of team practices because of injury.
we have the fact that he has an injury guarantee in his contract.

what more do you need to know to infer that the guarantee was a mistake?

 

[formido]

we have the fact that he reported to camp injured.
we have the fact that he missed all but one game and almost all of team practices because of injury.
we have the fact that he has an injury guarantee in his contract.

what more do you need to know to infer that the guarantee was a mistake?

We now know the winning lottery ticket numbers were 07 43 87 39 43 20. Why didn't you pick them? Guess you made a mistake.

Research shows that players being "injury prone" is mostly a myth. Football players get hurt a lot. Frank Gore was injured very often in college and his early years in the pros. What happened to that?

 

[TwistedHusky]

Harvin was a mistake.

That isn't hindsight.

He has done this everywhere he has gone, as anyone could show you. Not to the same extend, but the truth is that he is a player that is slightly built, has durability issues, and seems to be a pussy with no pain tolerance or work ethic anyway.

He hasn't helped us. He hindered us. SF was helped with the Bolden signing, we attached a lead weight to ourselves and made the road harder.

I never liked the Harvin signing, but worse I hated the idea that somehow someway it would be different for us when he has a track record that has followed him everywhere he went. Minnesota fans tried to warn us and we thought it was sour grapes. It is like that guy who got a stripper for GF that has cheated on every guy she ever went with, and somehow he thinks it would be different with him.

People are who they are. Harvin seems like a pussy with no work ethic that always ends up unable to play for whatever reason.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

It's incredible that the injury prone tag is still being used like a fact when it's a lie. As I keep saying the crow that will be eaten by the usual suspects is getting large enough that it may choke them if care isn't taken.

 

[DavidSeven]

Harvin and his agent may have negotiated his injury guarantee in bad faith. We don't know that for sure, but the facts don't lean in their favor. However, it's also likely that its inclusion came at the expense of at least some pure guaranteed money. If we can carry him on the roster, it makes cutting him that much easier and less costly.

The thing I don't like about it is that it essentially gave Harvin an incentive to end the season on IR. Of course, you don't expect a professional and a competitor to take advantage of such a clause, but you never know...

 

[Diezel Dawg]

It's incredible that the injury prone tag is still being used like a fact when it's a lie. As I keep saying the crow that will be eaten by the usual suspects is getting large enough that it may choke them if care isn't taken.

Well said KC

 

[Happypuppy]

It is like that guy who got a stripper for GF that has cheated on every guy she ever went with, and somehow he thinks it would be different with him.

An excellent analogy. Looks good feels good; but is bad news.

All we have is his track record that is in many ways not great as a team player. He plays well when on the field. But he is a distraction IMO and this year the bad far out weighs the good like the stripper.

I think we like Flynn try to trade him and if not we release him. Just not worth it.

Do you really want this guy to be part of the core?

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

It's incredible that the injury prone tag is still being used like a fact when it's a lie. As I keep saying the crow that will be eaten by the usual suspects is getting large enough that it may choke them if care isn't taken.

Be sure you woman up and eat yours if you're wrong. I'll gladly chow mine if you're right cuz anything that helps the Hawks win is FAR more important to me than being correct in my OPINION of the situation.

 

[TwistedHusky]

We were never warned he was injury prone.

We were warned he was prone to CLAIM (or feign?) injury. BIG BIG Difference.

What we were warned is that, for whatever reason, we would end up not seeing him play for us. Whether because of knee, migraines, or alien mind control...the results are that we received no results from him. If he pays off in the post season? Then it was was worth it. If not, he was a waste. That is the truth.

So the warning was spot on. Harvin would not produce for us because of some suspicious inability to play. That is what happened.

As for crow? I would love to have him make me eat it. I just do not believe it will happen.

Either way, it looks like he hasn't been honest with this team from the start.

So he was injured before he signed and kept the truth hidden (very possible) or isn't as injured as he indicates. Both would be dishonest and both have a much MUCH higher % shot at being true vs Harvin just miraculously sustains some freak injury before he plays a single game and then is prevented from playing or practicing for a full year. It is much more likely that was either an issue beforehand, or isn't as much of an issue as is being claimed now.

Either way, right now there is a guy that sells popcorn in the stands that is contributing more to the Seahawks than Harvin is.

 

[brimsalabim]

we have the fact that he reported to camp injured.
we have the fact that he missed all but one game and almost all of team practices because of injury.
we have the fact that he has an injury guarantee in his contract.

what more do you need to know to infer that the guarantee was a mistake?

We now know the winning lottery ticket numbers were 07 43 87 39 43 20. Why didn't you pick them? Guess you made a mistake.

Research shows that players being "injury prone" is mostly a myth. Football players get hurt a lot. Frank Gore was injured very often in college and his early years in the pros. What happened to that?

your attempted analogy makes no sense what so ever.

 

[RiverDog]

It's incredible that the injury prone tag is still being used like a fact when it's a lie. As I keep saying the crow that will be eaten by the usual suspects is getting large enough that it may choke them if care isn't taken.

The injury prone tag was being used on Harvin when he came out of college. From NFL.com prior to the 2009 combine:

Has struggled with durability, but is considered a physically tough player.


http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/per ... n?id=80425

There's also this:

The Seahawks didn't take a chance on Harvin, 25, out of desperation. They did it out of opportunity. And they weren't blind to the durability and character risks before trading three draft picks to the Minnesota Vikings in March and giving Harvin a five-year contract extension that included $25.5 million in guarantees....But every NFL team that examined Harvin at the 2009 scouting combine knew he had impingement and tightness in both hips as well as weak abductor muscles, two people with knowledge of those examinations told USA TODAY Sports....A study published in January — co-authored by Vikings team physician Christopher Larson, Tennessee Titans team physician Thomas Byrd and hip specialist Bryan Kelly — suggests there is at least a 40% chance a player with those risk factors will eventually require hip surgery or other treatment for degenerative conditions..

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... y/2605795/

So please, let's stop with this Percy wasn't/isn't injury prone excuse. He was and PC and JS were fully aware of it and other risk factors like his drug use and his attitude problems and said to hell with it and decided he was worth the risk.

 

[Zorn76]

If we win the SB, none of this will really matter

 

[RiverDog]

If we win the SB, none of this will really matter

Not this season. But it will matter in 2014 and beyond. If he's not any better after we win the SB, do we cut our losses with him or do we take a chance that he'll recover?

 

[ImTheScientist]

If we win the SB, none of this will really matter

Not this season. But it will matter in 2014 and beyond. If he's not any better after we win the SB, do we cut our losses with him or do we take a chance that he'll recover?

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

You take a 10mil cap hit. Why ON EARTH would you do that and how many times does someone have to explain this before people understand it. Its only been said in every Harvin thread.

 

[mjwhitay]

I don't get it. Why do people want to cut an elite player because he got hurt???? That is sooooooo flipping stupid. Next year (2015) is when it's really gonna matter. We CANNOT extend Wilson, Wagner, or Irvin yet, Rice is probably coming off the books, Miller's cap hit is less, Bryant might not be here, Thurmond is gonna be cheaper now, etc etc etc.

How many times do we have to explain to you guys that we trust our front office and their plans for our salary cap a helluva lot more than any of you??????

(tapatalk screwed up my post, so it's been edited a couple times. Ugh)

 

[Scottemojo]

It's incredible that the injury prone tag is still being used like a fact when it's a lie. As I keep saying the crow that will be eaten by the usual suspects is getting large enough that it may choke them if care isn't taken.

I still can't believe there are posters who don't get it. Throw out the word lie in reference to others and they will take it as an attack on their character, and a thread will be derailed. Nobody likes being called a liar for stating their opinion.

Also, I can't believe you still say a guy who has played one game all year doesn't qualify for being injury prone. I understand that the term is subjective, without real definition, but 16 games, played in one. And missed time last year. For a different injury. So my brain feels like he qualifies for that tag under both the word injury and the word prone.

Hope that doesn't make me a liar.

 

[mjwhitay]

It's incredible that the injury prone tag is still being used like a fact when it's a lie. As I keep saying the crow that will be eaten by the usual suspects is getting large enough that it may choke them if care isn't taken.

I still can't believe there are posters who don't get it. Throw out the word lie in reference to others and they will take it as an attack on their character, and a thread will be derailed. Nobody likes being called a liar for stating their opinion.

Also, I can't believe you still say a guy who has played one game all year doesn't qualify for being injury prone. I understand that the term is subjective, without real definition, but 16 games, played in one. And missed time last year. For a different injury. So my brain feels like he qualifies for that tag under both the word injury and the word prone.

Hope that doesn't make me a liar.

Injury prone means having a history of missing games due to injury. I think it's pretty easy to understand. He sprained an ankle, then had a tumor removed last year.

That is the extent of his injury history prior to this year. How much clearer does this have to be?????? He got hurt after we traded for him. Big deal.

Rob Gronkowski is injury prone. Darren McFadden is injury prone. Those are ACTUAL examples of guys missing games throughout every season of their career. Multiple games. Having a season ending injury doesn't qualify. Try again.

 

[UK_Seahawk]

I still think Percy Harvin will have some Fernando Torres (Spanish soccer player Chelsea paid £50m for who did nothing and then scored their most important goal to take them to the Champions league final) type impact for the Seahawks.

 

[volsunghawk]

PC and JS were fully aware of [Harvin's injury status] and other risk factors like his drug use and his attitude problems and said to hell with it and decided he was worth the risk.

I think this is accurate. Now, this year, we haven't heard a single thing about Harvin having attitude problems or drug problems. It's all boiled down to the injury thing.

Still, I think something else you quoted is important... the Seahawks didn't trade for Harvin and give him the contract they did out of desperation. They weren't looking for one piece to put them over the top. They saw it as an opportunity. They're not selling out to try and win it all just this year... they brought Harvin in for the long-term. And while I'm sure they were hoping to get more than a handful of plays from Harvin this year, I doubt they're gnashing their teeth as much as .NET is over Harvin's situation this season.

If you evaluate the trade for this year alone, it's clearly a bust on the Fred Vinson level. If Harvin is able to strengthen his hip and be 100% coming into the 2014 season, and he contributes on a level that he has shown to be capable of going forward, then the trade will be viewed in a more favorable light.