Geno Isn't the Guy. Sad to Say (Main)

[LTH]

Geno led the league in turnover worthy plays last year. He had a lot of interception luck and it appears to be running out.

He isn't progressing as a passer, instead a regression back to what he's always been is taking place for everyone to see.

This is very disappointing as he has been surrounded by the most talented offense the Seahawks have ever put on the field.

He just doesn't see the field, he pre-determines where he's going with the ball pre-snap.

If he guesses right? Success, as he is a very talented and accurate thrower.

If he guesses wrong? Disaster. Throwing into coverage, or doesn't pull the trigger for the sack due to not trusting what he is seeing.

This is what he was with the Jets. The Seahawks have better weapons and the rules favor QBs more than back then so his numbers will look better, but this not good.

The Seahawks are at a point where there is no question they must take a QB in the upcoming draft, AND consider moving on from Smith to save CAP as Geno is not worth his ballooning salary numbers going forward.

Yeah.... let's just cut to it and fire Hurt. He is even more over rated than Geno. Really, let's fire Pete ,while we are at it fire John for that matter... in fact, let's just sell the organization and turn Lumen field into a parking lot.. name it after Wilson lol. The Seahawks are NOT allowed to lose a game!

LTH

 

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Just got back from Cincinnati. Not sure how Geno looked on TV but, it was bad live.

What the cameras likely didn’t show was JSN not having a defender within 7 yards, waving his arms, finally dropping his hands in disgust from not getting a look.

Definitely should’ve won but, if this Red Zone offense doesn’t improve….it’ll be a long season.

On TV, he stared down his first read for an eternity, then threw it anyway into coverage, or took the sack.

 

[m0ng0]

You can't prove anything as usual

 

[vladimirg98053]

Geno led the league in turnover worthy plays last year. He had a lot of interception luck and it appears to be running out.

He isn't progressing as a passer, instead a regression back to what he's always been is taking place for everyone to see.

This is very disappointing as he has been surrounded by the most talented offense the Seahawks have ever put on the field.

He just doesn't see the field, he pre-determines where he's going with the ball pre-snap.

If he guesses right? Success, as he is a very talented and accurate thrower.

If he guesses wrong? Disaster. Throwing into coverage, or doesn't pull the trigger for the sack due to not trusting what he is seeing.

This is what he was with the Jets. The Seahawks have better weapons and the rules favor QBs more than back then so his numbers will look better, but this not good.

The Seahawks are at a point where there is no question they must take a QB in the upcoming draft, AND consider moving on from Smith to save CAP as Geno is not worth his ballooning salary numbers going forward.

I am 100% agree - Geno is not the guy Seahawks can reply on.

 

[Chapow]

Zach would have 8-10 TDs if given those same reps.

So basically if only Charbonnet had gotten Walker's reps in the red zone, and continued to get those reps for the rest of the season, he would have somewhere around 30 TD's on the season?

Seems legit.

 

[Mike Hawk 425]

So basically if only Charbonnet had gotten Walker's reps in the red zone, and continued to get those reps for the rest of the season, he would have somewhere around 30 TD's on the season?

Seems legit.

Don't you know? Charbonnet is the best running back in history.

 

[Mike Hawk 425]

How so? Zach is better in short yardage. It's only logical to think he'd garner more production if given the same reps.

He hasn't proven it so far, anything else is just conjecture. That's fine if you want to play make believe, but it makes your argument indefensible.

 

[Yxes1122]

How are Bryce Young, Anthony Richardson, Will Levis doing?

What about Malik Willis, Kenny Pickett, Desmond Ridder?

What about Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, and Mac Jones?

What about Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones?

And I liked some of those QBs coming out. But blanket statements like “Draft a QB cuz better” doesn’t take into account what’s available and when and do they fit? How many picks is it going to take to go to #2 for Maye/Williams (who are the only obvious QBs ready to start.) How’d that work out for San Fran and Carolina when they did.

Geno is a good AND limited QB. As of now, he offers this team the best chance to win. Seattle should continue to look to upgrade him, but shouldn’t panic because he struggled with a back-up riddled OL in a venue Mahomes has struggled in.

 

[GemCity]

On TV, he stared down his first read for an eternity, then threw it anyway into coverage, or took the sack.

This…100%

 

[jcipale]

Geno led the league in turnover worthy plays last year. He had a lot of interception luck and it appears to be running out.

He isn't progressing as a passer, instead a regression back to what he's always been is taking place for everyone to see.

This is very disappointing as he has been surrounded by the most talented offense the Seahawks have ever put on the field.

He just doesn't see the field, he pre-determines where he's going with the ball pre-snap.

If he guesses right? Success, as he is a very talented and accurate thrower.

If he guesses wrong? Disaster. Throwing into coverage, or doesn't pull the trigger for the sack due to not trusting what he is seeing.

This is what he was with the Jets. The Seahawks have better weapons and the rules favor QBs more than back then so his numbers will look better, but this not good.

The Seahawks are at a point where there is no question they must take a QB in the upcoming draft, AND consider moving on from Smith to save CAP as Geno is not worth his ballooning salary numbers going forward.

I respectfully disagree. Metcalf cost this team today. His stupid unsportsmanlike pushed them back 15 yds. His bailing on a route cost geno one int. As far as geno getting sacked, Seattle, like Oregon, forego opportunities to kick fg worth 6 pts. Now, if the d played like they had all 2nd half, you are looking at a possible 2 pt win vs 4 pt loss. Being made one-dimensional didn't help (where did the running game go? Did the TEs just disappear from the offense?)

 

[jcipale]

I originally said 50-50 but changed it to 51-49 on Waldron. Where the **** were the 12 and 13 packages? How much help was Curhan getting? Where’s tall Bobo or Fant in the redzone? Why are we running K9 up the middle inside the 5 yard line without even a FB? Why in the ever loving **** do we never consistently use a quick passing game? Seems like we have success with a few quickies in a game and then put it in the back pocket for half a season.

Geno was definitely struggling hard today against himself but the OC did absolutely nothing whatsoever (at least to my less Xs & Os knowledgeable eyes) to compensate for the turnstiles and help him out.

I’m not a fire Pete guy by any means but these offensive woes have been a staple of post XLIX Seahawks football. We don’t have Beast or fast and nimble ME3 back there. Seems like he’s always been trying to repeat that exact same offense without the players to do it rather than, say, BB who adapts to what his players do best. Honestly, it’s been the same on D as well since the LOB era players drifted away.

This was a winnable game on the road against a quality team and there are plenty of upsides to look at, especially on D. Getting Lucas back should help tremendously but both coordinators need to click on the same week, week after week if we want to have something to play for in December. Future looks great but coaching needs to play to the players’ strengths, not the coaches’ ideals.

edit: plus it's a non-conference loss, so not as damaging

Bobo was hurt in the 3rd qtr and sat out the remainder of the game. Sadly.

 

[m0ng0]

He didn't want to throw another pick

How so? Zach is better in short yardage. It's only logical to think he'd garner more production if given the same reps.

Sorry bro you are reaching just so you can remain relevant, Charb "could" be better but as usual you are full of shit. Nobody will ever know, because the plays were never run, you can be an outsider looking in and you pick at scabs but really there is no metric to prove your case... So STFU, until you have anything to prove your case.

 

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So basically if only Charbonnet had gotten Walker's reps in the red zone, and continued to get those reps for the rest of the season, he would have somewhere around 30 TD's on the season?

Seems legit.

They have had a high volume of runs inside the 5 to start the season.
That volume may not persist.

K9's production early on has been due to high volume. Otherwise their red zone numbers would as a team line up better with his numbers in the red zone.

They are getting down there a lot and not cashing in. Zach is the better short yardage back.

 

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Sorry bro you are reaching just so you can remain relevant, Charb "could" be better but as usual you are full of shit. Nobody will ever know, because the plays were never run, you can be an outsider looking in and you pick at scabs but really there is no metric to prove your case... So STFU, until you have anything to prove your case.

Put on the film and tell me who is the better short yardage back given their skillsets.

 

[rjas77]

Just because a bad 3 point shooter makes a 3, doesn't mean you should not give the ball to a better 3 point shooter.

Zach is the better short yardage back. over using K9 in the red zone instead of Zach is a contributing factor to their terrible red zone numbers on the season.

I agree…look how Green Bay used Jones and Dillon…well three years ago anyway…Jones got you close…Dillon smashed it in

 

[m0ng0]

Put on the film and tell me who is the better short yardage back given their skillsets.

Prove to me he would have 8-10 touchdowns

 

[getnasty]

Geno or Fade?

This is perfect! Can't give a write on the defense so quick audible.

 

[JPatera76]

Bobo was hurt in the 3rd qtr and sat out the remainder of the game. Sadly.

He was in there in the end.

 

[Mike Hawk 425]

They have had a high volume of runs inside the 5 to start the season.
That volume may not persist.

K9's production early on has been due to high volume. Otherwise their red zone numbers would as a team line up better with his numbers in the red zone.

They are getting down there a lot and not cashing in. Zach is the better short yardage back.

K9 has nearly identical redzone numbers as CMC and David Montgomery. Charbonnet has 5 carries, zero TDs. You can keep banging your drum for imaginary stat lines, but it's clear the Seahawks trust K9 in the redzone for a good reason.

 

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I respectfully disagree. Metcalf cost this team today. His stupid unsportsmanlike pushed them back 15 yds. His bailing on a route cost geno one int. As far as geno getting sacked, Seattle, like Oregon, forego opportunities to kick fg worth 6 pts. Now, if the d played like they had all 2nd half, you are looking at a possible 2 pt win vs 4 pt loss. Being made one-dimensional didn't help (where did the running game go? Did the TEs just disappear from the offense?)

The corner was playing inside leverage, with a Safety sitting over the top.

If Geno wants to throw that it has to be out to the sideline away from the coverage. He shouldn't have thrown it. It was a bad read.

They did run it, up the gut with little Ken Walker to little effect.

Geno stared down DK the whole game. Hard for anyone else to get involved if Geno can't get off his first read.