Did the 49ers beat us fair and square?

[NorCal]

They won but fair and square no they had help. That said we needed to play for keeps on offense and Wilson did zero read option so we didn't use everything in the arsenal either, and we should have thrown more in the early downs.. Also we don't have a WR of Crabtree's caliber this must change just stating facts.

He did a bunch of read options, but SF made a concerted effort to NOT let Russell get wide. Their ends stayed home on just about every read play, which is why Lynch was given the ball on all of those plays.

Give SF credit, they had a good game plan to not let Russell do what he does best, scramble and make plays.

We watched two different games is all I can say to that. There was a lot of green grass on the edge for Wilson and it was never taken advantage of.

I don't know if it showed on TV, but Willis or Bowman were spying Wilson a lot yesterday. Often times when Wilson was scrambling out of the pocket, I saw Bowman about 10 yards off the line of scrimmage waiting for Wilson to run.

 

[13thMan]

Yep. On to NY...

 

[Hasselbeck]

This place is something else sometimes.

The Seahawks lost because they couldn't stop the run on the final drive. The end.

 

[Chapow]

Of course they beat us fair and square, not sure why everyone wants to blame the refs. Lets be honest, the secondary (Sherman especially) get away with a lot of contact every game that should be called. The refs were obviously not going to let these guys get out of hand. Sherman has the biggest mouth in football, and this was a heated rivalry, I'm sure the refs met before the game and decided to not let things get out of hand, which starts with frustration from such things as grabbing and holding. Heck, they threw a 15 yard flag on Whitner for just running his mouth. He didn't stand over one of our guys, or do some stupid celebration, or even touch the football, he just said something. They got Bowman later for a retaliation after one of our guys went after him first. It's not like they didn't call anything on the 49ers either. I also remember a big play negated on a play by their RG Boone for hands to the face. They had 70 yards in penalties, we had 85. Big deal.

Plus, let's face it, we were lucky to be that close. The fact that we held them to FG's on their first two drives - especially after a blocked kick - was great. I for one was glad that Harbaugh decided to kick the FG rather than go for it on 4th and 1 on their second scoring drive. We were lucky that Kaepernick didn't run that in for a TD. He was literally tripped up by his shoeslaces on what looked to be a sure TD run. If you watch the replay that shows the play coming at you, Wagner made a fantastic play on Kapernick's left foot that tripped him up at the last possible second. Plus, Maxwell got an INT when they were in the redzone. It looked like Crabtree ran the wrong route as he was smacking himself in the head and yelling at himself after the play. Looked like he was outside rather than inside on that play. Why Kapernick threw that pass I'll never know.

We had several breaks not go our way, but several that did, and the penalty flags were almost even. We were lucky to have the lead late and decided to make the worst defensive play on the day at the worst possible moment. It happens, but I don't see why we can't beat these guys by 3 touchdowns at home if we meet again. Kaepernick is still nowhere near the player he was last season, Gore (besides that one run) didn't look too special, and we bottled up Davis for most of the game. Boldin had a good game, but between him, Davis, and Crabtree if you're going to let one of them free it has to be Boldin.

We lost fair and square.

So basically every good play that the Seahawks made was luck? Wagners clutch, TD saving, shoestring tackle was just luck, not a great play by Wags? Maxwells clutch, TD saving pick in the redzone was just luck, not a great play by Maxwell? Our D holding them to FGs rather than TDs was just luck, not good play by the D?

Sorry bud, that's complete and utter bullshit, but if we're using your logic than I guess Gores 51 yd run at the end of the game was just luck too right and not a great run by Gore? Which I guess makes the win by S.F. just luck, because without that lucky run by Gore they probably don't score and the Seahawks win 17-16.

:34853_doh:

 

[twisted_steel2]

This place is something else sometimes.

The Seahawks lost because they couldn't stop the run on the final drive. The end.

True, and we couldn't stop Kaeperdink on that third down conversion run, then someone didn't block for Tate on the KO return, we couldn't connect on the hail mary... the last several minutes the wheels fell off.

But! I wont back down from the officiating was awful and heavy handed. Sorry it was. unno:

 

[Hasselbeck]

This place is something else sometimes.

The Seahawks lost because they couldn't stop the run on the final drive. The end.

True, and we couldn't stop Kaeperdink on that third down conversion run, then someone didn't block for Tate on the KO return, we couldn't connect on the hail mary... the last several minutes the wheels fell off.

But! I wont back down from the officiating was awful and heavy handed. Sorry it was. unno:

Some calls were terrible, yes, we still had the ball at the 30 and failed to produce a touchdown. Can't settle for field goals there.

Some calls were terrible, yes, but we still had a lead and couldn't get the 49ers offense off the field to give Wilson a chance to win.

I hate the 49ers as much as the next Seahawks fan, but blaming the refs for the loss is weak. The Seahawks beat themselves more than the refs did and really more than the 49ers did.

 

[twisted_steel2]

This place is something else sometimes.

The Seahawks lost because they couldn't stop the run on the final drive. The end.

True, and we couldn't stop Kaeperdink on that third down conversion run, then someone didn't block for Tate on the KO return, we couldn't connect on the hail mary... the last several minutes the wheels fell off.

But! I wont back down from the officiating was awful and heavy handed. Sorry it was. unno:

Some calls were terrible, yes, we still had the ball at the 30 and failed to produce a touchdown. Can't settle for field goals there.

Some calls were terrible, yes, but we still had a lead and couldn't get the 49ers offense off the field to give Wilson a chance to win.

I hate the 49ers as much as the next Seahawks fan, but blaming the refs for the loss is weak. The Seahawks beat themselves more than the refs did and really more than the 49ers did.

Some people might be placing 100% of the blame on the refs, I'm not....

But I think it was a factor. And I think the refs were awful, to the point of ruining the enjoyment of watching the game. Most of those calls did not have to be made. Can the Seahawks play better, less sloppy and more disciplined? Absolutely.

But I'm not letting the refs off the hook on this one. The refs injected themselves into the play too much, sustaining some drives, ending some drives. It doesn't need to be that way. Let the players sort out the game.

 

[seahawks08]

Calls went both ways, 49ers were able to recover from that, and they did not give us a chance to recover from our mistakes or calls. Either way, I don't think for a super bowl bound team, that is an excuse.

 

[plyka]

I just hate seeing all the yellow on the field and how it disrupts the game. I'm looking for a flag on every play and I hate the damn yellow shoes! This has been the worst year I have ever seen for inconsistency from game to game and week to week. How are the players supposed to know what is legal and what is not when the officials don't know? In a multi-billion dollar industry, seems like we could pay for full time officials. This isn't high school!

I agree with this post, overall it wasn't one way or another. There is a problem with this meme that harbaughs crying an whining has created within the media regarding seattle secondary. However in general this game was badly officiated due to the randomness of flags and not due to a conspiracy against any specific team. There are so many penalties and zero common sense used, when a hand even brushes across a face mask they are calling a penalty or not. That's the important point.

They have added an extra variable of luck into the game. On any play they can call a big penalty, and they do at times but not all the time. It's about luck, and there is no consistency. This was not there as little as five years ago. The worst officiate game was the Super Bowl in 2005, but now we are seeing stuff like that all the time. They need consistency and common sense, raise the bar on what is a flag, so there isn't something on each down which can be called. Only call obvious penalties and call them evenly. It's like porn versus art, you can tell which is which when you see it as long as you use common sense.

 

[Chapow]

This place is something else sometimes.

The Seahawks lost because they couldn't stop the run on the final drive. The end.

True, and we couldn't stop Kaeperdink on that third down conversion run, then someone didn't block for Tate on the KO return, we couldn't connect on the hail mary... the last several minutes the wheels fell off.

But! I wont back down from the officiating was awful and heavy handed. Sorry it was. unno:

Some calls were terrible, yes, we still had the ball at the 30 and failed to produce a touchdown. Can't settle for field goals there.

Some calls were terrible, yes, but we still had a lead and couldn't get the 49ers offense off the field to give Wilson a chance to win.

I hate the 49ers as much as the next Seahawks fan, but blaming the refs for the loss is weak. The Seahawks beat themselves more than the refs did and really more than the 49ers did.

Yep, I couldn't agree more.

We had the lead with 6:20 left in the game and our D couldn't stop them from going on an 11 play 6 minute drive to take the lead.

Let me reiterate, we had the lead late in the 4th quarter. They had to go score to win. Our D couldn't stop them from scoring when it mattered most.

49ers won fair and square.

 

[twelthmanfan]

Seattle wasn't favored to win this game yet we possibly one play away from winning this. Go hawks.

 

[Wartooth]

Well Pereira thought it was a fumble!

Mike Pereira ‏@MikePereira 20h
Regarding your tweets, in the SF game, it shouldn't have been forward progress & Crabtree wasn't down.

 

[13thMan]

This place is something else sometimes.

The Seahawks lost because they couldn't stop the run on the final drive. The end.

True, and we couldn't stop Kaeperdink on that third down conversion run, then someone didn't block for Tate on the KO return, we couldn't connect on the hail mary... the last several minutes the wheels fell off.

But! I wont back down from the officiating was awful and heavy handed. Sorry it was. unno:

Some calls were terrible, yes, we still had the ball at the 30 and failed to produce a touchdown. Can't settle for field goals there.

Some calls were terrible, yes, but we still had a lead and couldn't get the 49ers offense off the field to give Wilson a chance to win.

All good points... The D really folded when it mattered most. Disappointed, to be sure... but moving on...

I hate the 49ers as much as the next Seahawks fan, but blaming the refs for the loss is weak. The Seahawks beat themselves more than the refs did and really more than the 49ers did.

Yep, I couldn't agree more.

We had the lead with 6:20 left in the game and our D couldn't stop them from going on an 11 play 6 minute drive to take the lead.

Let me reiterate, we had the lead late in the 4th quarter. They had to go score to win. Our D couldn't stop them from scoring when it mattered most.

49ers won fair and square.

 

[DTexHawk]

When did "fair and square" become part of football?
:roll:

 

[drdiags]

This place is something else sometimes.

The Seahawks lost because they couldn't stop the run on the final drive. The end.

Not sure why the whole forum has to take the hit on this. The totals are 2-1 for "fair and square". Some folks just don't like to accept things at face value or just want to generate conversation. You make it sound like the majority here are blame-scaping and that isn't how I see the totals so far.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Yes. We definitely got hosed on a couple of calls, but it wasn't Clete Blakeman's fault that we gave up a 51-yd run to Frank Gore on the pivotal drive of the game. We didn't get hosed on the play where we let Kaepernick run for a first down on 3rd & 7 and enable them to all but run out the clock.

Bad calls or no, we were still in a position to win the game in the fourth quarter. SF made the plays they needed to win. Our team's defense didn't.

I changed your post to reflect my feelings as bolded above. Otherwise, your post would've been exactly as I would've posted. And yeah, I get that the offense could've done more. But, the bottom line is that the defense failed when they were most needed. Shades of last year. I sincerely hope we don't see that again the rest of the season.

 

[canfan]

Does it matter? It didn't change much in the standings.

:13: Nothing we say or do changes the score. Moving on to NY for the team's first visit this season.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Richard Sherman doesn't think so m

 

[13thMan]

Richard Sherman doesn't think so m

LOL...... If the shoe fits!

 

[Hawk-A-Loogie]

I think officiating was pretty even EXCEPT the Crabtree fumble. A penalty causes yards loss but a turnover is something to complain about.

But they did beat us fair and square.