Cary Williams a Seahawk (It's Official)

[Laloosh]

coming from someone who has watched him play week in week out, this was a really bad signing for you guys. He's a PI machine, half the time he doesn't even turn around and look to see if the ball is coming his way. hopefully he will be better with you guys, as you have better safties to help him out, but i would not be optimistic about this signing.

:2:

There's a reason Chip wanted a corner from Seattle. We'll get him coached up...

 

[Russ Willstrong]

Looked him up on google images and I must say I'm not optimistic.....

Oh, why? Because Cary happens to be white and Jewish? That's racist and offensive to Jason Sehorn and Dwayne Harper. Each of whom happened to be white and Jewish also.

He'll fit in with Christine.

 

[massari]

I'm curious why they chose Williams over Browner, who was signed by the Saints for slightly cheaper than the Seahawks paid for Williams.

Any ideas?

 

[Largent80]

Browner?...How about the idea that he was given more than 1 chance here and decided to break the rules more than once.

 

[massari]

So it has nothing to do with on the field production, just the two drug incidents?

 

[Largent80]

Being unavailable for about a year will do that.

 

[jlwaters1]

So it has nothing to do with on the field production, just the two drug incidents?

The first requirement for being "productive" on the field in being available. That's why I don't get why people were freaking out about Unger, who was out for 40% of the time the last 2 years. Browner was given his chances as let the team down. I don't think he deserved another shot.

 

[Scottemojo]

So it has nothing to do with on the field production, just the two drug incidents?

Age and injury history are legit concerns.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

coming from someone who has watched him play week in week out, this was a really bad signing for you guys. He's a PI machine, half the time he doesn't even turn around and look to see if the ball is coming his way. hopefully he will be better with you guys, as you have better safties to help him out, but i would not be optimistic about this signing.

:2:

There's a reason Chip wanted a corner from Seattle. We'll get him coached up...

I'm confused when I read the top quote I thought this guy was talking about Byron Maxwell.

If that is the crust of Cary Williams game, he going to fill in just fine for Maxwell. Again, very similar players it seems like.

 

[Basis4day]

Even the best coaching staffs and FO are open to criticism. If there is one area i am least concerned with it is the ability to find and develop DB talent.

 

[DavidSeven]

So it has nothing to do with on the field production, just the two drug incidents?

At this point in their careers, I would not be surprised if they thought Cary Williams was a better fit than Browner. Belichick used Browner as a sort of specialist last year -- covering big receivers, TEs, playing S, etc. Even in Seattle's secondary, Browner was a liability when matched against smaller receivers. Williams is coming in to play every down as outside corner.

Williams also didn't cost them a comp pick since he was a cap casualty. NE declined Browner's option, so I believe signing him would cost you in the comp pick calculation.

 

[Popeyejones]

Even the best coaching staffs and FO are open to criticism. If there is one area i am least concerned with it is the ability to find and develop DB talent.

Agreed, which is why paying so much for an old and marginal talent like Cary Williams is so confusing to me. I mean, he'll likely have a career year in Seattle next year, but that would be true for practically anybody.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Even the best coaching staffs and FO are open to criticism. If there is one area i am least concerned with it is the ability to find and develop DB talent.

Agreed, which is why paying so much for an old and marginal talent like Cary Williams is so confusing to me. I mean, he'll likely have a career year in Seattle next year, but that would be true for practically anybody.

William's is a band aid until Lane gets back and Simon can become a more dependable CB, plus he fits the profile of what the Hawks like in a CB, tall and long.

Is he the answer at CB opposite Sherman? Short term, yes. He's dependable enough to do well in the Hawk's system...........like I said until a younger more dependable corner can be developed. Whether than means Simon or a draft pick is yet to be determined.

If you were to look at Pete and John's master plan for Maxwell's exit, my guess is it would have included Simon being developed and dependable enough in 2015 to not need to sign a guy like Williams. But the SB proved Simon is nowhere near ready to depend on opposite Sherman. Thus Williams.

 

[DavidSeven]

Agreed, which is why paying so much for an old and marginal talent like Cary Williams is so confusing to me. I mean, he'll likely have a career year in Seattle next year, but that would be true for practically anybody.

Jeremy Lane's injury made this necessary. With Maxwell gone and Lane hurt, Seattle had no one to start opposite Sherman for at least the first half of 2015. If Lane was healthy, Seattle could afford to be less aggressive on the CB market.

Williams can be released next year and save them $4M+ if it doesn't work out.

 

[LolaRox]

Could it simply be timing? Cary was cut and on the streets before NE decided not to pick up the option on BB. Maybe that makes a difference or maybe not , who knows.

 

[Seafan]

So it has nothing to do with on the field production, just the two drug incidents?

At this point in their careers, I would not be surprised if they thought Cary Williams was a better fit than Browner. Belichick used Browner as a sort of specialist last year -- covering big receivers, TEs, playing S, etc. Even in Seattle's secondary, Browner was a liability when matched against smaller receivers. Williams is coming in to play every down as outside corner.

Williams also didn't cost them a comp pick since he was a cap casualty. NE declined Browner's option, so I believe signing him would cost you in the comp pick calculation.

He was only a Pat for a year, no comp pick.

 

[Willyeye]

Even the best coaching staffs and FO are open to criticism. If there is one area i am least concerned with it is the ability to find and develop DB talent.

Agreed, which is why paying so much for an old and marginal talent like Cary Williams is so confusing to me. I mean, he'll likely have a career year in Seattle next year, but that would be true for practically anybody.

William's is a band aid until Lane gets back and Simon can become a more dependable CB, plus he fits the profile of what the Hawks like in a CB, tall and long.

Is he the answer at CB opposite Sherman? Short term, yes. He's dependable enough to do well in the Hawk's system...........like I said until a younger more dependable corner can be developed. Whether than means Simon or a draft pick is yet to be determined.

If you were to look at Pete and John's master plan for Maxwell's exit, my guess is it would have included Simon being developed and dependable enough in 2015 to not need to sign a guy like Williams. But the SB proved Simon is nowhere near ready to depend on opposite Sherman. Thus Williams.

To say that Tharold Simon is nowhere near ready to depend on is unfair. His CB ranking for 2014 on PFF was even better than Maxwell’s in the regular season. Simon was also #2 amongst ALL NFL CB’s in passer rating against last year. The problem is, he had a horrible dislocated shoulder in Week 16 against the Cards, and at the time, Carroll said he would be out the rest of the year. Due to a Maxwell illness, they played Simon in the Divisional round game against the Panthers, and due to Lane’s injury, they played Simon in the SB against the Pats, even though he was playing with a full labrum tear in his shoulder. It never should have come to that…they could have included Burley in their active roster for the SB, instead of Simon. Burley did a decent job replacing Lane as nickel early last season, and had he been on the active roster for the SB instead of Simon, Burley would have replaced Lane in the first quarter, and Maxwell would have stayed at RCB. Anyway, Simon will be fine this season once he's finished rehabbing from shoulder surgery, and the Hawks also still have Burley.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Even the best coaching staffs and FO are open to criticism. If there is one area i am least concerned with it is the ability to find and develop DB talent.

Agreed, which is why paying so much for an old and marginal talent like Cary Williams is so confusing to me. I mean, he'll likely have a career year in Seattle next year, but that would be true for practically anybody.

William's is a band aid until Lane gets back and Simon can become a more dependable CB, plus he fits the profile of what the Hawks like in a CB, tall and long.

Is he the answer at CB opposite Sherman? Short term, yes. He's dependable enough to do well in the Hawk's system...........like I said until a younger more dependable corner can be developed. Whether than means Simon or a draft pick is yet to be determined.

If you were to look at Pete and John's master plan for Maxwell's exit, my guess is it would have included Simon being developed and dependable enough in 2015 to not need to sign a guy like Williams. But the SB proved Simon is nowhere near ready to depend on opposite Sherman. Thus Williams.

To say that Tharold Simon is nowhere near ready to depend on is unfair. His CB ranking for 2014 on PFF was even better than Maxwell’s in the regular season. Simon was also #2 amongst ALL NFL CB’s in passer rating against last year. The problem is, he had a horrible dislocated shoulder in Week 16 against the Cards, and at the time, Carroll said he would be out the rest of the year. Due to a Maxwell illness, they played Simon in the Divisional round game against the Panthers, and due to Lane’s injury, they played Simon in the SB against the Pats, even though he was playing with a full labrum tear in his shoulder. It never should have come to that…they could have included Burley in their active roster for the SB, instead of Simon. Burley did a decent job replacing Lane as nickel early last season, and had he been on the active roster for the SB instead of Simon, Burley would have replaced Lane in the first quarter, and Maxwell would have stayed at RCB. Anyway, Simon will be fine this season once he's finished rehabbing from shoulder surgery, and the Hawks also still have Burley.

I don't care what he ranks on PFF, he was embarrassed in front of 120 million people in the SB........thus the scramble to sign Williams, and I'd guess draft at least another two corners this year.

Simon has not proven he can be depended on as a starting CB on this team, period.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Simon was pretty brutal in the playoffs. Hope he gets it, and real quick.

 

[Bigbadhawk]

So it has nothing to do with on the field production, just the two drug incidents?

At this point in their careers, I would not be surprised if they thought Cary Williams was a better fit than Browner. Belichick used Browner as a sort of specialist last year -- covering big receivers, TEs, playing S, etc. Even in Seattle's secondary, Browner was a liability when matched against smaller receivers. Williams is coming in to play every down as outside corner.

Williams also didn't cost them a comp pick since he was a cap casualty. NE declined Browner's option, so I believe signing him would cost you in the comp pick calculation.

He was only a Pat for a year, no comp pick.

Being on the team for a year makes no difference in regards to comp pick or not. The Pats declined Browners option which is what prevents him being worth a comp pick for New England. Revis on the other hand was with New England for 1 year and now will net them a 3rd round comp pick in 2016