SoulfishHawk
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Yep, it was maddening to see them just call plays to keep him in the pocket. When the Rams D line was pushing the swiss cheese blocking back ALL DAY LONG. And was anything done to counter it? Nope.
hoxrox":dhg84jgl said:Scorpion05":dhg84jgl said:Russ doesn't absolutely need run game support. What he needs, is a pass protecting O-line. One that allows him to hold the ball. You can't drop 50 yard bombs and roll out of the pocket like Allen, Rodgers, Mahomes without holding the ball.
Yeah the line was only average and can definitely be upgraded. But on too many snaps this season did I see Russ hold on to the ball after 3 seconds, after 5 seconds, to ultimately take a sack. Even Rodgers and Mahomes lines can only protect for so long. Difference is they pull the trigger in a timely manner. Whereas, Russ is a freelancer by nature.
Since good pass-blocking Oline are hard to acquire, an easier solution: pull the trigger, throw it away, or call a run play. That will help prevent sacks, as well as 3rd and long situations.
Shotty's latest game plan called for no roll outs - just drop backs if I recall correctly. The firing was a good move.
hoxrox":3tkwlznp said:BASF":3tkwlznp said:In regards to Schottenheimer being fired, it is pretty simple. He did not adjust in the second half of the season when it was obvious that defenses had figured out our schemes and route trees. The fact is that our formations and releases off the ball are too easily identified because our OC does not put in enough variations on them. It is the reason why our receivers are usually well covered at the end of the year. The defenses can literally tell where our receivers are going before the snap of the ball because the routes are not changed enough. One of the pundits who follow our team closely pointed out that we ran a lot of the same plays against the Rams in both the second and third game. You can not do that against good defenses.
Yup. The Rams CB that had the pick-six said he saw on film exactly what was coming. And that is when they motion DK away from Ramsey, they are likely going to DK... he was ready for it.
twisted_steel2":1ldmchew said:hoxrox":1ldmchew said:BASF":1ldmchew said:In regards to Schottenheimer being fired, it is pretty simple. He did not adjust in the second half of the season when it was obvious that defenses had figured out our schemes and route trees. The fact is that our formations and releases off the ball are too easily identified because our OC does not put in enough variations on them. It is the reason why our receivers are usually well covered at the end of the year. The defenses can literally tell where our receivers are going before the snap of the ball because the routes are not changed enough. One of the pundits who follow our team closely pointed out that we ran a lot of the same plays against the Rams in both the second and third game. You can not do that against good defenses.
Yup. The Rams CB that had the pick-six said he saw on film exactly what was coming. And that is when they motion DK away from Ramsey, they are likely going to DK... he was ready for it.
Yep.
You know that corner was laughing to himself as he was running to the endzone; ''I can believe they did the same thing....again."
xray":1mbrxe0y said:Politics in football ? Say it ain't so . BS is fired and JS gets extension immediately after . Carroll just said that he expects all the coordinators back . I expect that JS wanted BS gone not Carroll . JS was in demand elsewhere . See how this works ?
jammerhawk":zbz32sx6 said:There are a lot of assumptions within this thread:
2. There is also the assumption that PC involves himself in every Offensive play call, i.e.: what I call 'the superman coach"
Those QB's can see the field a lot easier than RW and they can work more of the field toohoxrox":2kdvtf99 said:Scorpion05":2kdvtf99 said:Russ doesn't absolutely need run game support. What he needs, is a pass protecting O-line. One that allows him to hold the ball. You can't drop 50 yard bombs and roll out of the pocket like Allen, Rodgers, Mahomes without holding the ball.
Yeah the line was only average and can definitely be upgraded. But on too many snaps this season did I see Russ hold on to the ball after 3 seconds, after 5 seconds, to ultimately take a sack. Even Rodgers and Mahomes lines can only protect for so long. Difference is they pull the trigger in a timely manner. Whereas, Russ is a freelancer by nature.
Since good pass-blocking Oline are hard to acquire, an easier solution: pull the trigger, throw it away, or call a run play. That will help prevent sacks, as well as 3rd and long situations.
Shotty's latest game plan called for no roll outs - just drop backs if I recall correctly. The firing was a good move.
jammerhawk":x1sl6n2j said:For me I'd like to see some fresh ideas in the running game, proper use of short passes, including some frequent reliance on TEs, all things that have ben most absent over the past 2 seasons. In short I'd like to see an effective OC as I'm sure the FO would as well.
I'd also like to see an OLine that can actually, you know, pass protect when needed. There is little excuse for not having any effective gameplan to attempt to control Donald or the pass rusher de jour as faced.
The one feature of the Schotty as OC scheme was a lack of ability to adjust to situations where the original plan has been blown up. It seemed to me as well that the chunk plays downfield that were a huge part of the early success resulted from scramble drill heroics instead of actual play design. In this I acknowledge there is a drill the WRs follow when the pass pro breaks down and how they are to try to get open whenRW is scrambling. Maybe this was designed by BS but it isn't really any reflection that the plays called by Schotty were effective. In fact it appeared RW was better at calling the plays then than BS.
I'm happy he will now be replaced.
BASF":2ku9eokf said:It is amazing how many posters here have an axe to grind. Just amazing.
In regards to Schottenheimer being fired, it is pretty simple. He did not adjust in the second half of the season when it was obvious that defenses had figured out our schemes and route trees. The fact is that our formations and releases off the ball are too easily identified because our OC does not put in enough variations on them. It is the reason why our receivers are usually well covered at the end of the year. The defenses can literally tell where our receivers are going before the snap of the ball because the routes are not changed enough. One of the pundits who follow our team closely pointed out that we ran a lot of the same plays against the Rams in both the second and third game. You can not do that against good defenses.
The other aspect of this is the blocking scheme that is required is not being executed well enough. If we have a pass to the middle of the field called our line needs to open that passing window for Wilson to complete the pass and that simply does not happen. It was Schottenheimer's responsibility to get the offensive line on the same page and get those passing lanes open so Wilson can succeed.
The third thing that needs to be addressed here is that it was ultimately Schottenheimer's responsibility to keep Wilson from going to the well too often. The truth is that Wilson was not looking to use the check downs and intermediate routes enough. It is almost as though he was looking to put up more and more numbers down the field after the short and intermediate interceptions he threw in the middle part of the year.
jeremiah":3oopcj4r said:Shouldn't PC been the one to get the ax? He clearly has lost his team, and proven it over multiple years. They have no discipline, and he is geezing pretty hard. Find someone young with an offensive mind. Maybe a College coach who has insight into young players just becoming draft eligible. That is how PC made his bones. He should have been fired right after the Super Bowl loss.
Conversely, Pete Carroll has had very poor outings in the postseason since our last Super Bowl appearance. You don't keep a coach based on what you did in the past, that is utter foolishness. You keep the coach on what he's going to do on the future, and for Carroll he's on a downward spiral. Did you know since 2017 that the Jaguars have won more in the playoffs than the Seahawks, Mike McCarthy also has the same record as Pete in the playoffs since 2015.Maelstrom787":o38gmk6i said:jeremiah":o38gmk6i said:Shouldn't PC been the one to get the ax? He clearly has lost his team, and proven it over multiple years. They have no discipline, and he is geezing pretty hard. Find someone young with an offensive mind. Maybe a College coach who has insight into young players just becoming draft eligible. That is how PC made his bones. He should have been fired right after the Super Bowl loss.
Oh, come on. That's a little much. I don't care who the quarterback is, a coach who has lost his team doesn't get 12 wins. Just doesn't happen.
Firing a coach after he makes two consecutive Super Bowls, winning one of them, is similarly... it's just insane. It's not how it works, and it's not how it should work.
jeremiah":ln7uhc7p said:Shouldn't PC been the one to get the ax? He clearly has lost his team, and proven it over multiple years. They have no discipline, and he is geezing pretty hard. Find someone young with an offensive mind. Maybe a College coach who has insight into young players just becoming draft eligible. That is how PC made his bones. He should have been fired right after the Super Bowl loss.