Zach Miller has a new hamstring injury

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I agree the OL offseason has to be a priority. Okung I am trying to look at it like a unfortunate event . However in the back of my mind is J. Ogden he never really recovered from it to the player he was.

What worries me about Miller is he has a fair number of concussions and it seems to easier to get them the more times you have had them.
 

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SalishHawkFan":1jmaxft2 said:
Okung has missed 13 of 52 games. That's one out of four. He's going to miss at least the next 6, making him miss 19 of 58 games or one out of three. That's simply not acceptable.

We need to draft a quality LT.

Also need to draft a quality RG,LG,RT and hope Unger returns back to form or we'll need a quality C too.
 

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Happypuppy":3ltgc1rl said:
What worries me about Miller is he has a fair number of concussions and it seems to easier to get them the more times you have had them.

Not when you're out with a pulled hamstring, it isn't.
 

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bestfightstory":3rxexjsr said:
Happypuppy":3rxexjsr said:
What worries me about Miller is he has a fair number of concussions and it seems to easier to get them the more times you have had them.

Not when you're out with a pulled hamstring, it isn't.

Dunno, BFS...if I were Miller, I'd likely be banging my head against a wall. This just sux. Not many players more valuable to our cause than Miller. RW, ET, Okung, Miller, IMO.

I hope they catch the real killer so we sign Hernandez soon.
 

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SalishHawkFan":27xxukxg said:
Okung has missed 13 of 52 games. That's one out of four. He's going to miss at least the next 6, making him miss 19 of 58 games or one out of three. That's simply not acceptable.

By comparison, Ron Essink missed 13 out of his first 80. Anyone remember Ron Essink? Didn't think so. He was on those great Hawk teams of the early 80's. He was replaces by Mattes, who only missed 4 of his first 48 before being replaced by Heck who missed 3 games in three full seasons (started 52 of 55 games). A couple forgettable - but healthy LT's came and went then Walter Jones took over and missed 4 of his first 148 games as a Hawk before suffering a major injury in 2008.

So I just covered 28 years of Seahawk football and the LT's combined to miss all of 24 games during that span. In less than four, Okung will have missed 19.

We need to draft a quality LT.

Very poignant argument. Would have never really considered a need to draft a left tackle. It's this kind of research and these kind of posts that I love about .net
 

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SalishHawkFan":31tph896 said:
Okung has missed 13 of 52 games. That's one out of four. He's going to miss at least the next 6, making him miss 19 of 58 games or one out of three. That's simply not acceptable.

We need to draft a quality LT.
The other thing that makes this a good and possibly necessary idea is the cap room Okung's contract eats up. Of course, drafting a good LT is going to be very difficult with the 32nd pick of the draft... but if we could somehow manage to get one, he would be under a rookie contract for the next few years, making a lot of other signings possible.
 

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The starting O-Line already is quality, just injured; the replacements will get valuable experience, and just maybe we can compensate with our run-game, RW's ability to scramble for a bit longer, and a tough D. If, as some of you suggest, we truly need to draft a new O-Line, then I'd love for you to tell me how you predict injury-free players in said draft. College history? I'd say that's a crap-shoot. Frame-size? What metrics guarantee health and longevity?
 

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BlueTalon":3uf1qntz said:
SalishHawkFan":3uf1qntz said:
Okung has missed 13 of 52 games. That's one out of four. He's going to miss at least the next 6, making him miss 19 of 58 games or one out of three. That's simply not acceptable.

We need to draft a quality LT.
The other thing that makes this a good and possibly necessary idea is the cap room Okung's contract eats up. Of course, drafting a good LT is going to be very difficult with the 32nd pick of the draft... but if we could somehow manage to get one, he would be under a rookie contract for the next few years, making a lot of other signings possible.

Every injury Okung suffers, every game he misses is costing him money and creating more cap room for the hawks (on his next contract assuming they are interested in re-signing him).
 

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Left tackle is too important a position to I trust to a player that misses 1 out of every 4 games. The term "just an injury" isn't a valid excuse when it's recurrent. To add to this remember it took Okung almost half a season last year to reach form. The first few games he was so out of shape he could not move latterly and drew multiple holding penalties. How many games will we get his best?
I'm starting to feel somewhat the same about Miller. IMO after this season we need to move them while they still have value and replace them with players that we can depend on to be on the field during a championship run!
 

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Ad Hawk":1udxreuq said:
The starting O-Line already is quality, just injured; the replacements will get valuable experience, and just maybe we can compensate with our run-game, RW's ability to scramble for a bit longer, and a tough D. If, as some of you suggest, we truly need to draft a new O-Line, then I'd love for you to tell me how you predict injury-free players in said draft. College history? I'd say that's a crap-shoot. Frame-size? What metrics guarantee health and longevity?
Yea I used to read this same post on the San Diego forums.
 

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rjdriver":f57pyx8b said:
SalishHawkFan":f57pyx8b said:
Okung has missed 13 of 52 games. That's one out of four. He's going to miss at least the next 6, making him miss 19 of 58 games or one out of three. That's simply not acceptable.

By comparison, Ron Essink missed 13 out of his first 80. Anyone remember Ron Essink? Didn't think so. He was on those great Hawk teams of the early 80's. He was replaces by Mattes, who only missed 4 of his first 48 before being replaced by Heck who missed 3 games in three full seasons (started 52 of 55 games). A couple forgettable - but healthy LT's came and went then Walter Jones took over and missed 4 of his first 148 games as a Hawk before suffering a major injury in 2008.

So I just covered 28 years of Seahawk football and the LT's combined to miss all of 24 games during that span. In less than four, Okung will have missed 19.

We need to draft a quality LT.

Very poignant argument. Would have never really considered a need to draft a left tackle. It's this kind of research and these kind of posts that I love about .net
Agree. Thanks for an excellent post and stats Salish. Sadly, our team has a quality LT, just not a healthy one.
 

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These guys need to man up. Especially Miller. I might feel different if most of the line wasn't already out but as it stands you got to play football on the sore hammy son. Some one has to. There is a super bowl riding on it and you might never get another chance to get there.
 
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