Y'all are crazy...

[jammerhawk]

B/c it is non-stop tiresome, repetitive, and allows no view but the negative view to be considered legitimate, yet the factual basis for the viewpoint is absent cogent or demonstrable basis for it's legitimacy except dislike, ageism, or a stilted self created impression that everything the FO is doing is or has been wrong, the schemes are out of date, or made to fail by HC interference. It is an attempted creation of a group think mentality. Additionally b/c the negative view offers no actual solution or proposed solution, amongst other reasons.

Thus the constant drumbeat of negativity offers little solution and lots of blame focused wrongly on Pete, or John, or Wilson or whomever. Truly it is a form of a H8R thought which isn't the genuine viewpoint of more than one or other of the members here.

I doubt That Pete is actually out of touch with present NFL trends or doesn't have a pretty good idea who the better college players are in the draft, or that he interferes with Waldron or mandates it's my way or the highway. Is he loyal to a fault?Perhaps, but that isn't always a bad thing.

In fact reality is he's a great coach who has had a bad season who has tried at time to hit home runs, albeit at times unsuccessfully, and who like another coaches makes mistakes but in time corrects them.

Do I think the team needs to make some changes? For sure, but I agree with Sutz.

Semper Fi!!!

 

[seahawklifer]

We need RW, PC and JS to all work together. RW has stated he would like be an NFL owner someday. Renegotiate his contract and add an additional 7 years with him getting a percentage of the Hawks after he retires. This could equal him getting a 2-3 million annual salary but a huge score once he retires. Use the extra $$$ to sign some top talented young free agents at corners, d-line and o-line (let RW help pick o-line free agents) this will leave him no room to complain about getting hit to much. Also, have RW watch film of AR and TB and see how they changed their approach to the game as they got older. RW needs to also quit ducking and spinning and step up in the pocket and not take his eyes off of what his receivers are doing. He misses a lot of the times they are open once he ducks and spins. Read defenses and hit the hot receivers right away when needed. Also, get a true OC that has actually called a game before this year. In L.A. our new OC did not call the plays the HC did. Also, DC needs to go, we need two new young innovative OC and DC's.

 

[RiverDog]

B/c it is non-stop tiresome, repetitive, and allows no view but the negative view to be considered legitimate, yet the factual basis for the viewpoint is absent cogent or demonstrable basis for it's legitimacy except dislike, ageism, or a stilted self created impression that everything the FO is doing is or has been wrong, the schemes are out of date, or made to fail by HC interference. It is an attempted creation of a group think mentality. Additionally b/c the negative view offers no actual solution or proposed solution, amongst other reasons.

Thus the constant drumbeat of negativity offers little solution and lots of blame focused wrongly on Pete, or John, or Wilson or whomever. Truly it is a form of a H8R thought which isn't the genuine viewpoint of more than one or other of the members here.

I doubt That Pete is actually out of touch with present NFL trends or doesn't have a pretty good idea who the better college players are in the draft, or that he interferes with Waldron or mandates it's my way or the highway. Is he loyal to a fault?Perhaps, but that isn't always a bad thing.

In fact reality is he's a great coach who has had a bad season who has tried at time to hit home runs, albeit at times unsuccessfully, and who like another coaches makes mistakes but in time corrects them.

Do I think the team needs to make some changes? For sure, but I agree with Sutz.

Semper Fi!!!

That doesn't answer my question as to why you feel compelled to engage in name calling by referring to those that disagree with you as "haters". There's a half dozen other terms, like critics, naysayers, etc, that are much less corrosive.

It's an incendiary term and likely to result in a tit-for-tat retaliation as no one wants to be seen as being full of hate. Personally, I reserve that emotion for murderers, rapists, criminals, etc. It doesn't belong in a football discussion.

I realize that you're not the only one that tosses that term around, but it nevertheless upsets me when I see it being used so loosely.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

I have a bad feeling that Pete stays. Lame

 

[BASF]

I think destroying the Lions has clouded your vision and impression of how dysfunctional this team is.

EXACTLY!

The posters saying we will magically be 12+ wins with Russ + Carroll sound delusional to me.

I'm waiting for at least 1 SINGLE REASON why we might be better next season if we keep everything the same.

I'm aware I haven't considered every possibility of using our money and player capital this off-season...

I'm all ears to listen if anyone has a good reason why it will work and what we can do to DRASTICALLY change this teams trajectory... Somehow I doubt any of these +12 win posters have a single idea...

It all so simple..let Russ cook...there's your 12 wins..

Russ was the one that slowed down the offense by only going for long balls and failing while there were open receivers short and intermediate. He has full option to change plays (per him, Waldron and Carroll during their press conferences) and has used that ability to play hero ball and not take what the defense is giving him. He and his cooking is the failure for this team.

As far as half our wins being against poor teams, that is absolutely correct. As is half of our losses are due to field goals and extra point failures. It goes both ways. We were snake bit this season. It happens.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

What will be the consensus view if the Hawks convincingly beat AZ next Sunday, or if they just win?

Will it be:
1. Pete is old fashioned b/c he wants to see the ball run first to set up play action? Fire Pete!
2. Just don't care b/c Pete is old so he is out of touch? Fire Pete b/c he won't let another viewpoint breath!
3. I see what they are trying to accomplish, perhaps they should have more time?
4. I just want a change and any change will do? The team needs a new GM, Head Coach and defensive coordinator.
5. Fire Pete?
6. Fire JS?
7. Fire KNJ?

Beating an Arizona team that's lost four of their last seven game won't change my mind that Pete and Russell need to get divorced.

If Pete and John stay, I want Russell traded and a complete rebuild.

If Pete gets fired and we somehow talk Russell into staying? Then I'm willing to give Russell another year or two with a new coach and coordinator to see if they can get Russell back to his elite self.

But if both are back? No thanks, I'm not interested in another 3-4 years of underachieving because our coach and QB can't get on the same page on how to run the offense resulting in more mediocre years.

 

[John63]

I think destroying the Lions has clouded your vision and impression of how dysfunctional this team is.

EXACTLY!

The posters saying we will magically be 12+ wins with Russ + Carroll sound delusional to me.

I'm waiting for at least 1 SINGLE REASON why we might be better next season if we keep everything the same.

I'm aware I haven't considered every possibility of using our money and player capital this off-season...

I'm all ears to listen if anyone has a good reason why it will work and what we can do to DRASTICALLY change this teams trajectory... Somehow I doubt any of these +12 win posters have a single idea...

It all so simple..let Russ cook...there's your 12 wins..

Russ was the one that slowed down the offense by only going for long balls and failing while there were open receivers short and intermediate. He has full option to change plays (per him, Waldron and Carroll during their press conferences) and has used that ability to play hero ball and not take what the defense is giving him. He and his cooking is the failure for this team.

As far as half our wins being against poor teams, that is absolutely correct. As is half of our losses are due to field goals and extra point failures. It goes both ways. We were snake bit this season. It happens.

that funny since if you go back and look he still through more short than long

 

[sprhawk73]

I think destroying the Lions has clouded your vision and impression of how dysfunctional this team is.

Slow offensive starts have been the norm for a while.

The defense has trouble stopping Amon St Brown and he was pretty much the only offense the Lions had other than their offensive line catching touchdowns.

You really take beating the Lions as the reason to want to continue with how the team is comprised of.

You don’t play the Lions 12 times a year.

The off season will come down to typical decisions, who is set to be paid, what free agents are available, how do you proceed with what draft picks you have, is the current makeup of the team something you can see developing into contenders in the future, do you want to free cap space, are the coaches the right people to lead your franchise, are the players worthy enough to keep and extend.

You always take the best win of the season and the worst loss of the season and you throw them out of the equation because the true makeup of your team is always somewhere in between.

Seattle should make significant changes cause like it or not, Seattle isn’t a playoff caliber team with the current setup.

Beating the Lions does not change this.

:ditto:

 

[pittpnthrs]

I have a bad feeling that Pete stays. Lame

Yep. Going to be the same old same old again next season.

 

[LTH]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

What will be the consensus view if the Hawks convincingly beat AZ next Sunday, or if they just win?

Will it be:
1. Pete is old fashioned b/c he wants to see the ball run first to set up play action? Fire Pete!
2. Just don't care b/c Pete is old so he is out of touch? Fire Pete b/c he won't let another viewpoint breath!
3. I see what they are trying to accomplish, perhaps they should have more time?
4. I just want a change and any change will do? The team needs a new GM, Head Coach and defensive coordinator.
5. Fire Pete?
6. Fire JS?
7. Fire KNJ?

First of all these arguments are not good arguments at all.

Pete's schemes are outdated? Thats why the 49ers who have a great D, run a very similar D scheme very successfully.

Pete does not adjust, and Pete ball is outdated? That's why he brought in Waldron to bring in a new O philosophy.

So what we have here is a bunch of people who are so frustrated that they need change no matter what it is.


LTH

 

[Jville]

I have a bad feeling that Pete stays. Lame

That's ok. Forum feelings have a way of balancing themselves out.

I have a good feeling that Pete stays and carries on. Smiles all around.

 

[LTH]

This was a great article


Salk: What’s source of tension between Seahawks’ Wilson and Carroll? It may hint at path forward
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1551882/ ... e-tension/

 

[John63]

This was a great article


Salk: What’s source of tension between Seahawks’ Wilson and Carroll? It may hint at path forward
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1551882/ ... e-tension/

It's pretty good. There are alot out there. I agree PC needs to work on his defense. He needs to do it while keeping his nose out of the offense though. Let Wilson and the OC do what they do. The first half of the Indy game was a great example as was the Lion game. So let PC fix his defense and let Wilson and the OC do what they do.

 

[olyfan63]

I have a bad feeling that Pete stays. Lame

Yep. Going to be the same old same old again next season.

You mean same-old, same-old, like 2013 and 2014?

 

[pittpnthrs]

I have a bad feeling that Pete stays. Lame

Yep. Going to be the same old same old again next season.

You mean same-old, same-old, like 2013 and 2014?

Lol. Yeah sure, thats what we meant.

 

[RiverDog]

This was a great article


Salk: What’s source of tension between Seahawks’ Wilson and Carroll? It may hint at path forward
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1551882/ ... e-tension/

That was a good article. What I took from it is that Pete has essentially spoiled Russell, protected him from criticism for so long that Russ has come to expect preferential treatment then doesn't handle it very well when Pete attempts to change the paradigm and start holding his QB accountable. I can't imagine Russell giving the kind of responses to provocative questions he's given this season back in 2011-2014.

When Russ first broke in, it wasn't 'his team'. He was never ordained as the starter and had to earn his job by beating out a high profile FA acquisition in the form of Matt Flynn. We were a defensive orientated team filled with a whole bunch of alpha male personalities that won games with a ball control, opportunistic offense and a smothering defense. Russ was asked to be a game manager, a point guard that ran Pete's run first, don't put the D in bad positions offense. It's very likely that Russ needed that paternal protection from Pete.

But now, things have changed. We no longer have a top 5 defense, to the contrary, we have one of the worst defenses in the league. Now we rely on Russell to win games. He's no longer a rookie, he's a 10 year veteran. It's his team, and he's parlayed his leverage as the franchise QB and most popular player to the point where he has more power than the head coach in that Pete is afraid to discipline him in the same manner that the Packers let Aaron Rodgers do whatever he damn well pleases, the difference being that Russell isn't the jerk Rodgers is and is a lot more politically correct. But the result is the same.

I don't see a resolution to this impasse. One of the two has to go.

 

[SNDavidson]

I feel like they're going to all get a mulligan. I don't think Russell will be able to move on like this.

One thing that occurred to me, something we all know needs to ACTUALLY GET FIXED, is slow starts both to the season and in individual games.

But, the games wherein Wilson was out, or not 100%, were exactly, precisely the specific games where he heats up. He typically heats-up big time at about game 8 and doesn't look back, which is why we are going to score a bunch of points against the Cardinals, he's only now hitting his typical mid-season form.

 

[RiverDog]

I feel like they're going to all get a mulligan. I don't think Russell will be able to move on like this.

One thing that occurred to me, something we all know needs to ACTUALLY GET FIXED, is slow starts both to the season and in individual games.

But, the games wherein Wilson was out, or not 100%, were exactly, precisely the specific games where he heats up. He typically heats-up big time at about game 8 and doesn't look back, which is why we are going to score a bunch of points against the Cardinals, he's only now hitting his typical mid-season form.

Yeah, I'm starting to get the sense that we're standing pat.

That mid season form for Russell didn't happen last season. Russell lit the league on fire in first half of the season only to come back down to Earth in the second half then going out on a whimper in the playoffs by putting up his worst playoff game of his career.

 

[thegreeninyoureye]

LTH[/quote]

Hasn't the sun already set on Ciara's career? Isn't she a Indian casino kinda performer at this stage? or I am totally wrong?[/quote]
lol I dont think she is good enough to get the gig at the Indian casino.

This team needs a lot of work. We have a lot of holes, to even be contenders in the West. It will take a couple of off seasons to fill out this roster to be a Superbowl contender.

 

[SNDavidson]

I feel like they're going to all get a mulligan. I don't think Russell will be able to move on like this.

One thing that occurred to me, something we all know needs to ACTUALLY GET FIXED, is slow starts both to the season and in individual games.

But, the games wherein Wilson was out, or not 100%, were exactly, precisely the specific games where he heats up. He typically heats-up big time at about game 8 and doesn't look back, which is why we are going to score a bunch of points against the Cardinals, he's only now hitting his typical mid-season form.

Yeah, I'm starting to get the sense that we're standing pat.

That mid season form for Russell didn't happen last season. Russell lit the league on fire in first half of the season only to come back down to Earth in the second half then going out on a whimper in the playoffs by putting up his worst playoff game of his career.

I think a large part of this can be attributed to the dynamic with Schotty, he couldn't seem to adjust to the tampa 2 defense, you know, from the 90s........?

That is of course with the obvious, that I might not understand football as well as them, but that's what I think, it didn't work once the new factor was gone, then it was like we were found out or something...