With Edgerrin James getting in HOF (Hawk related)

[seabowl]

With James going into the HOF I looked at his stats vs both Rickey Waters and Shaun Alexander. Yes James has more yards but Shaun had like 30 more td’s and his average was 4.3 vs 4.0. Waters was a similar back and had better stats in a few areas too. Thoughts?

 

[knownone]

With James going into the HOF I looked at his stats vs both Rickey Waters and Shaun Alexander. Yes James has more yards but Shaun had like 30 more td’s and his average was 4.3 vs 4.0. Waters was a similar back and had better stats in a few areas too. Thoughts?

If Shaun played in a bigger market, there would be HoF buzz surrounding him. He's an MVP. He's the only eligible player in the top 20 in total TD's not in the HoF. And, he has a 5-year stretch that rivals any RB in NFL history: 1770yds/4.8ypt/19.8tds, and that's per season. But he won't get into the HoF because he played in Seattle, and our fan base undervalues him because of our offensive line.

 

[chris98251]

With James going into the HOF I looked at his stats vs both Rickey Waters and Shaun Alexander. Yes James has more yards but Shaun had like 30 more td’s and his average was 4.3 vs 4.0. Waters was a similar back and had better stats in a few areas too. Thoughts?

If Shaun played in a bigger market, there would be HoF buzz surrounding him. He's an MVP. He's the only eligible player in the top 20 in total TD's not in the HoF. And, he has a 5-year stretch that rivals any RB in NFL history: 1770yds/4.8ypt/19.8tds, and that's per season. But he won't get into the HoF because he played in Seattle, and our fan base undervalues him because of our offensive line.

Really don't think it is the Market, Indy isn't a bigger Market then Seattle really in any way, the difference is Peyton Manning, oh and Peyton Manning, a Super Bowl he made it there with the Cards,and Peyton Manning, he also was a receiver, and Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne, Peyton Manning.

He had good yards around 12.600 rushing and another 3000 or so receiving.

 

[Hockey Guy]

Shaun Alexander was a great RB & should be in the HOF regardless of what anybody says on this board.

 

[hawkfan68]

The HOF is full of players who had great careers but not HOF worthy ones. You can add Edgerrin James is to that list. Bettis is another one that I believe isn't HOF worthy.

 

[flv]

Edgerrin James was THE best pass-blocking RB of that era. He was also a very good receiving RB. He was the perfect fit for a Peyton Manning offense. If that Colts team had had Watters or Alexander instead of James then i'm not sure it would have been so competitive with the otherwise dominant Patriots teams of that time. James was a more than decent runner, but it was the lesser part of what he contributed. I'm pleasantly surprised and really pleased he got in ahead of some who had better rushing stats. Most fans today will see a runner gain an extra 20 yards total over 100 carries and think the guy with the extra 0.2 yards per carry RB was the better player. They'll miss the sacks given up and incomplete passes. 1 sack rather than a pass completion will statistically negate the extra 20 yards gained on the 100 extra carries.

Not crapping on Watters or Alexander who were great but different types of RB.

 

[Hawkstorian]

Shawn Alexander is one of my favorite Seahawks ever.... but he's just a hair short of HOF credentials. Sadly.

Ricky Watters had a nice career and was super fun during his time in Seattle ... but really he's far further down the list when talking about Canton.

Just my opinion on both. If either had their name called I would book a flight.

 

[sdog1981]

James and Alexader are not really close.

Alexander was a force from 2001 to 2005

James was a force from 1999 to 2000 lost two years to injury then was a force from 2003 to 2007

If you look at career numbers James is closer to guys like Thurman Thomas and Eric Dickerson

Alexander is closer to Clinton Portis and James Brooks.

 

[knownone]

James and Alexader are not really close.

Alexander was a force from 2001 to 2005

James was a force from 1999 to 2000 lost two years to injury then was a force from 2003 to 2007

If you look at career numbers James is closer to guys like Thurman Thomas and Eric Dickerson

Alexander is closer to Clinton Portis and James Brooks.

Counterpoint. James became a starter when he was 21. Alexander wasn't drafted until he was 23 and didn't start until he was 24. James played with one of the five greatest QB's of all time, played 2 more seasons, and still had 21 fewer TDs in. Career accolades are close, but Alexander has the MVP and OPOY.

I understand the longevity argument, but Shaun is a former MVP who was 13th all-time in TDs scored when he retired and is currently 17th. The next closest eligible player not in the HoF is Ricky Waters at rank 36, and he has 21 fewer TDs than Shaun. For perspective, Portis and Brooks are ranks 65th and 67th, and both have over 30 fewer TDs.

 

[balakoth]

Not taking into account who the signal caller was and trying to compare stats

Is literally the dumbest thing that happens on every board.


If we had Peyton and SA, there would be no debate.. period.

You all say the run game sets up the pass.. it does.. when you have a regular QB... not when you have a HOFer... Just saying

 

[balakoth]

From this board I've learned one thing.... if you spend 1/2 of your day posting (THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of posts)

Your opinion means something even if you don't know jack shit or can't logically evaluate a potato from a tomato. And that's quite a few posters here honestly

Opinion is one thing.. pure ignorance is another. Learn to accept you honestly don't know a damn thing like the rest of us... even if you post half of your day on here.

 

[Rat]

I think Shaun makes it eventually, probably as a senior nomination. He has HOF stats, but seems to be something of a victim of the recent RB logjam in Canton. Not sure why Edgerrin was an exception; I'm guessing it has to do with being a part of an elite offense with Indy.

 

[JustTheTip]

SA had more natural talent than either James or Watters. If he had been half the football player either of them was there wouldn't be any debate over who the best Seahawk running back ever was.

 

[sdog1981]

I think Shaun makes it eventually, probably as a senior nomination. He has HOF stats, but seems to be something of a victim of the recent RB logjam in Canton. Not sure why Edgerrin was an exception; I'm guessing it has to do with being a part of an elite offense with Indy.

James is not an exception. James has 8000 more rushing yards, 2000 more receiving yards, and only 21 fewer TDs than Alexander.

Alexander is attempting to get in on a 5-year career and that is very hard to do. Terell Davis got in with a 4-year career, however, he checked every box. 2000 yard rushing yard season, super bowl MVP, league MVP, Pro Bowl, All-Pro.

 

[BASF]

You can argue stats as much as you'd like. The perception in the league at the time was that Shaun was soft and that will hold him back from the HoF.

 

[chris98251]

You can argue stats as much as you'd like. The perception in the league at the time was that Shaun was soft and that will hold him back from the HoF.

Lynch is in before Shaun.

 

[evergreen]

Lynch should be in. He’s the next best thing to Earl Campbell. His playoff performances deserve HOF. No one even close really. Beastquake is the greatest play ever. His big run against the 49ers in the NFCCG is all time. There’s 4 or 5 of them and they’re chasing him but afraid to catch him! He came very close to getting one in XLVIII.

 

[John63]

With James going into the HOF I looked at his stats vs both Rickey Waters and Shaun Alexander. Yes James has more yards but Shaun had like 30 more td’s and his average was 4.3 vs 4.0. Waters was a similar back and had better stats in a few areas too. Thoughts?

There is no RB with over 100 tds and an MVP not in the HOF, the problem is he was from Seattle. Did not win an SB, and was not well liked. So maybe he will maybe he wont only time will tell.

 

[Own The West]

You can argue stats as much as you'd like. The perception in the league at the time was that Shaun was soft and that will hold him back from the HoF.

He was soft. He only ran hard inside the 20. And the left side of his OL is in Canton already. I doubt he ever gets in.

 

[sdog1981]

With James going into the HOF I looked at his stats vs both Rickey Waters and Shaun Alexander. Yes James has more yards but Shaun had like 30 more td’s and his average was 4.3 vs 4.0. Waters was a similar back and had better stats in a few areas too. Thoughts?

There is no RB with over 100 tds and an MVP not in the HOF, the problem is he was from Seattle. Did not win an SB, and was not well liked. So maybe he will maybe he wont only time will tell.

That is another thing about HOF arguments. We are debating how Pro-Football writers will vote. It is not logical, all you need to do is look at the 2010s all-decade team to see how they viewed some players' careers.

One thing in favor for Alexander is the fact he was second-team on the 2000s all-decade team.