Spin Doctor":1nhok3nl said:
Bobblehead":1nhok3nl said:
Fans want Russ to do what he does best, get out and scramble, but then when he does and it doesn't work, it's inevitably, he should have stayed in the pocket. Never played QB but I can only imagine, he has a moment to decide weather or not which is best for him, if he deems scrambling is best, he needs to get out before the pocket caves in, right? That may explain why he seems to get out early. I think really, scrambling is his goto mama play and it's what he's comfortable doing. I gotta think also, if he's in the pocket, very tall players are on him and it maybe, just maybe difficult for him to throw over some of those guys.. or even see downfield. It's our lot, and it's what we have to live with. Of course, I"m just speculating and probably all wrong about it.
What you are talking about is what people talk about when they say pocket presence. Most NFL caliber QB's have to develop a sixth sense. They constantly have a clock ticking in their head, and a feel for when things are going to go awry. Some Quarterbacks are better than others at this skill. For example, Brady, and Manning are hardly ever sacked, because they know when to hold em' and when to fold em. They know when players are about to close in on them. If they didn't have this skill they would be mediocre due to their lack of mobility. Pocket presence also takes into account how players manipulate the pocket. Brees would be a good example of pocket manipulation. He moves around in the pocket but they are small movements. He baits the defense, and sets up his blockers with his movements from within the pocket. By doing this it makes his line look better than they truly are, and it opens up throwing lanes.
You talk about some of his inaccurate passes, they happen due to his lack of pocket presence. Even with no pressure he looks skittish in the pocket, and has happy feet. The happy feet aspect is important because it causes Wilson to throw with poor mechanics. When he is throwing on the run, or throwing while his feet are hopping around it causes him to throw from his back foot, and I notice when he gets in these modes he has no follow through. He also isn't able to drive the ball with his body weight. That is why in this game you had people questioning Wilson's arm strength. He clearly has a good arm, it is just that he is throwing from a less than ideal position most of the time. Some of that is clearly on the line, but a good portion of it is also due to Wilson's skittish nature in the pocket.
Wilson have never had to develop these skills, or rather I get the impression from our play calling that they have never been emphasized by our coaching staff. We call a bunch of deep routes, and expect Wilson to buy time for us until one of our guys come open. Unfortunately, until the Seahawks stop approaching the game with this mentality, this aspect of his game will not change, and conversely our line will also look much worse than it really is.
When I saw Carroll complaining about Wilson not sticking to the pocket I had to laugh. You complain about this now? You've been running an offense that encourages this type of play, with no real checkdown options, and you have the gull to complain about the way Wilson is approaching the game? Your backwards offensive philosophy, and your coordinator is why we haven't seen any improvement in this area for Wilson. Maybe if you stopped viewing the offense as a supplementary piece for your vaunted defense we wouldn't be where we are now.
Can you support this with facts? Particularly as it relates to Peyton and Brady? You say they're hardly ever sacked, and that their O-line has never been a problem because of their "pocket presence," which is false.
In 2015, Brady was sacked 40 times. In that same year, Russell Wilson was sacked 45 times. So far this year, Brady has been sacked 21 times and Wilson 18
It's getting really sickening to see people come here and put out alternate facts because of their preconceived notions or biases. Russell does NOT hold on to the ball much more than the top tier guys, and his pocket awareness isn't any worse. In fact, behind a much worse O-line one can argue his pocket awareness and elusiveness is ELITE. If he was a statue like Brady, he would have WAY more sacks behind this O-line.
I can also find you many sources and evidence of journalist and media giving Peyton and Brady a PASS when their O-line fails to protect them. There's this bleacher report article which highlights how poorly Brady plays when under pressure:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2647 ... ts-dynasty
Notice I'm not simply going based off opinion or confirmation bias, but providing actual evidence to refute your inaccurate evaluation of Russell's game
Also, to borrow from this article itself:
https://streamable.com/78psf
Ifedi gets beat from jump. It's a Hail Mary play, Wilson NEEDS room to be able to step up and chuck it from the 50 yard line. He can't do that if he doesn't step back and then step up. It's pathetic that Ifedi got beat there, and I'm willing to bet Aaron Rodgers/Brady line men don't get beat in a similar scenario. Don't believe me? Here's a video of Brady stepping back JUST as much as WIlson
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Here's Aaron Rodgers going even deeper than Wilson but guess what? His line STILL protects him
[youtube]NiaBRtImvYU[/youtube]
The article also makes other ridiculous claims. On Wilson's first drop back of the game, Wilson stays in the pocket, then rolls to his left and takes the quick checkdown
On this one the pocket is clearly collapsing around him. Another second and he's sacked:
https://streamable.com/tqp43
The only point the article makes is this play. Wilson rolls to his left and bails the pocket too early. If he simply hangs tough for another 2 seconds, he’d have an open Baldwin breaking down free at the last second. If he drops it in the bucket, Touchdown
https://streamable.com/ivwmn
This is another example of confirmation bias, generalizations, and nitpicking overriding facts and reality. This is not logical analysis. If we're going to criticize Wilson journalists and those like yourself need to do much better than that