googoodan
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nsport":3gyphtdg said:googoodan":3gyphtdg said:There are many factors that can go into this and very few people are able to answer without homer glasses. Luck's accuracy is questionable at times. RW's accuracy is amazing on the run, but can be frustrating from the pocket. Cam's accuracy on deep throws is much higher than on the short throws his offense relies on.
Clutchness- you can bring up Cam's last series just as easily as I could bring up RW's last series against the Cowboys. In reality very few quarterbacks in the NFL are *not* capable of clutch performances.
Take Jake Delhomme - I doubt his record 9 come from behind wins in 2003 (counting playoffs) will ever be broken. Clutch? Very. He has been described as the epitome of a leader. But would you really want him to be your starting quarterback?
Leadership is usually a perception. If a quarterback is shown yelling at his players, then wins, he "rallied the troops." If a quarterback is shown yelling at his players, then loses, he "whined and denied responsibility." Most good quarterbacks are an extension of their head coaches. RW seems to be the exception here: energetic coach, calm and collected QB.
Harbaugh: douche; Kaepernick: douche; Marvin Lewis: enough to get the job done; Andy Dalton: enough to get the job done; Ron Rivera: stoic on the sidelines; Cam Newton: stoic on the sidelines.
I couldn't agree with you more. The tracked variables are so hard to track due to home-town bias, systems, coaching, what the staff expects, etc. DelHomme is a great example (from the Panthers) where he did all of that, had the personality, showed the grit. Probably not the world's best QB, but they didn't ask him to be. In the case of the other vets - they find their niche and play to it. It's the young guys in question - Newton does not show the grit. He does not show the heart - nobody denies he probably has one, but translated to leadership traits (show it, do it, support it, embrace it) - he doesn't seem to be the guy. On the flip side, Russell does indeed show it - continuously. Kaepernick never has. Dalton is kind of plain (like DelHomme), Luck brings a legacy of expectations (similar to Manning) and sticks to it.
The staffs are a whole other story - I think Luck is bigger than his staff. Dalton, Kaep, Wilson, and Newton are not. I think Newton and Kaep aspire to be the big cheese, but their staffs will not allow it. So there is one of those variables - they cannot overcome their staff's desire to play a system and hierarchy that is not run through the QB.
I always said if Newton and Kaepernick could get their heads straight, they could be great QB's. They may be perfectly straight, but they are not "perceived" as square on their shoulders. Dalton, Luck, and Wilson do.
What grit does Newton not show?
Does it not show grit when he leads the team to a lead in the closing moments, only for the defense (or kicker) to fail?




Does he not show grit being down 21-7, and winning? Or doing this to win the division last season...
