Why is our offense not clicking?

[AbsolutNET]

The offense isn't the well-oiled machine we'd like it to be and know it can be. That doesn't mean it isnt productive. Something isn't right with our running game when we bring in a TE and FB, and we can't complete passes in the middle of the field very well. I think those two areas need to improve and it will help our rhythm and consistency out immensely.

 

[Basis4day]

I just, just dont know what to say to this...

At this point, nothing will impress you. Doesnt scramble enough? Why would you want him to scramble more if he doesnt have too? I remember when a QB threw for 4 TD's, and people didnt complain about his performance. Oh, and he did that within 2 1/2 QRT's before being taken out.

This comment right here is why these threads should be locked upon creation.

Also request this thread be shacked. There are some other things that need to be said as well.... :3:

Man Calm down! I think its allowed for people to express their opinions on a public forum!

This is exactly what I am talking about. Some of you have made RW into P.Manning/Brady status and wont allow anyone to point out a few of his weaknesses. I never said RW sucks or needs to be benched. All I am saying is RW can be a much better QB if he goes back to his dual threat mode and get rid of the ball faster! Now again, this is my opinion so calm the **** down and stop asking for threads to be locked up or shacked!

That's inherently contradictory. You want to see Wilson get rid of the ball faster and see him scramble around more often making plays?
Wilson scrambles when he has to, not because he wants to. He is always a threat to run, but if the offense plays the way the offense is designed to he would sit in the pocket and not need to run.

Wilson is unique in that he can keep the play alive when it doesn't work out as planned. He's REALLY good when Plan A fails and he needs to rely on Plan B. That doesn't mean you change your offense to Plan B. It means you need to fix what is wrong with Plan A.

 

[Basis4day]

The offense isn't the well-oiled machine we'd like it to be and know it can be. That doesn't mean it isnt productive. Something isn't right with our running game when we bring in a TE and FB, and we can't complete passes in the middle of the field very well. I think those two areas need to improve and it will help our rhythm and consistency out immensely.

I can agree with that. And i have every reason to believe that it will improve as the year progresses. Other teams had all off-season to try and figure out what Wilson does well. They are figuring out Qb's like Griffin and Kaepernick to an extent. All the successful young quarterbacks need to adapt.

 

[AbsolutNET]

Wilson is unique in that he can keep the play alive when it doesn't work out as planned. He's REALLY good when Plan A fails and he needs to rely on Plan B. That doesn't mean you change your offense to Plan B. It means you need to fix what is wrong with Plan A.

That's a good way of saying it. Our drop back game is pretty lousy, and obviously some of that is pass pro. But he isn't dropping and releasing nearly enough - too much waiting and scrambling. The timing game is non-functioning so far.

 

[Sarlacc83]

Offensive line is the biggest issue IMO. They've been giving up clear shots at Wilson all season.

Once that improves, which could take awhile now with Okung out, everything else should start to click.

The fact we've scored 74 points in the last two games with the offense still looking skittish though is downright incredible though. This team is going to be really scary good soon.

Or it means that .net is overreacting?

Possibly. Or it means that we saw what this team did last year and we're not seeing the same results. Maybe we'd like to see a repeat of the good part of 2012?

Its a pure nostalgia thing. The 58-0 win over AZ last year, RW was far worse then yesterdays game. But as time goes on, people dont recall the bad things that happened in games, they only remember the good things. As of right now, everyone thinks that from Chicago on, RW was posting perfect passer ratings and never taking a sack.

RW was 'worse' statistically, maybe. As I recall, the defense kind of kept him off the field.

Also, you can't bring up this point without making mention of the 49ers game or the second half of the Atlanta game. To say that we're requiring perfection is a straw man argument. What some people, like me, are saying is that the team has set a standard and they have yet to live up to it. They will, and they showed signs yesterday, but there was still too much pressure on Wilson and our RBs have been getting met behind the line again.

 

[Cartire]

Its a pure nostalgia thing. The 58-0 win over AZ last year, RW was far worse then yesterdays game. But as time goes on, people dont recall the bad things that happened in games, they only remember the good things. As of right now, everyone thinks that from Chicago on, RW was posting perfect passer ratings and never taking a sack.

RW was 'worse' statistically, maybe. As I recall, the defense kind of kept him off the field.

Also, you can't bring up this point without making mention of the 49ers game or the second half of the Atlanta game. To say that we're requiring perfection is a straw man argument. What some people, like me, are saying is that the team has set a standard and they have yet to live up to it. They will, and they showed signs yesterday, but there was still too much pressure on Wilson and our RBs have been getting met behind the line again.

Strawman? Hmmm, hardly.

And if you want to be fair then, you cant bring up second half Atlanta without mentioning first half Atlanta. And you cant mention the 49ers game without mentioning the week 17 st. louis game. He doesnt play amazing every game, but he plays exactly the way we need him too.

RW is good, period. No QB is perfect all 4 qrts of every game. And every QB makes mistakes. To say hes struggling or hasnt found his rythym is hogwash. He's peforming to the gameplan. Sometimes the game plan isnt designed to make RW look good, its designed to win games and control them. He played 2.5 qrts yesterday and threw 4 TD's, 200 yards with a 117 Passer Rating. He threw a pick that was deflected and a fumble.

I think Im well within my right to defend any QB with those stats.

 

[Sarlacc83]

Its a pure nostalgia thing. The 58-0 win over AZ last year, RW was far worse then yesterdays game. But as time goes on, people dont recall the bad things that happened in games, they only remember the good things. As of right now, everyone thinks that from Chicago on, RW was posting perfect passer ratings and never taking a sack.

RW was 'worse' statistically, maybe. As I recall, the defense kind of kept him off the field.

Also, you can't bring up this point without making mention of the 49ers game or the second half of the Atlanta game. To say that we're requiring perfection is a straw man argument. What some people, like me, are saying is that the team has set a standard and they have yet to live up to it. They will, and they showed signs yesterday, but there was still too much pressure on Wilson and our RBs have been getting met behind the line again.

Strawman? Hmmm, hardly.

And if you want to be fair then, you cant bring up second half Atlanta without mentioning first half Atlanta. And you cant mention the 49ers game without mentioning the week 17 st. louis game. He doesnt play amazing every game, but he plays exactly the way we need him too.

RW is good, period. No QB is perfect all 4 qrts of every game. And every QB makes mistakes. To say hes struggling or hasnt found his rythym is hogwash. He's peforming to the gameplan. Sometimes the game plan isnt designed to make RW look good, its designed to win games and control them. He played 2.5 qrts yesterday and threw 4 TD's, 200 yards with a 117 Passer Rating. He threw a pick that was deflected and a fumble.

I think Im well within my right to defend any QB with those stats.

While completely missing the overall point that our OFFENSE can still play better. I don't know how you can miss the fairly obvious point that I was talking about the TEAM.

You need to start reading the posts and ingesting the meaning before responding. Assuming people are ragging on the team because they want them to play to their potential is dumb.

 

[Cartire]

Strawman? Hmmm, hardly.

And if you want to be fair then, you cant bring up second half Atlanta without mentioning first half Atlanta. And you cant mention the 49ers game without mentioning the week 17 st. louis game. He doesnt play amazing every game, but he plays exactly the way we need him too.

RW is good, period. No QB is perfect all 4 qrts of every game. And every QB makes mistakes. To say hes struggling or hasnt found his rythym is hogwash. He's peforming to the gameplan. Sometimes the game plan isnt designed to make RW look good, its designed to win games and control them. He played 2.5 qrts yesterday and threw 4 TD's, 200 yards with a 117 Passer Rating. He threw a pick that was deflected and a fumble.

I think Im well within my right to defend any QB with those stats.

While completely missing the overall point that our OFFENSE can still play better. I don't know how you can miss the fairly obvious point that I was talking about the TEAM.

You need to start reading the posts and ingesting the meaning before responding. Assuming people are ragging on the team because they want them to play to their potential is dumb.

Im assuming what I see all the time. Good is never good enough. Short of a perfect game, none of you will ever feel like the team has lived up to its potential. No one seems to be able to enjoy winning (handily might I add) without looking for all the negatives.

 

[Sarlacc83]

Strawman? Hmmm, hardly.

And if you want to be fair then, you cant bring up second half Atlanta without mentioning first half Atlanta. And you cant mention the 49ers game without mentioning the week 17 st. louis game. He doesnt play amazing every game, but he plays exactly the way we need him too.

RW is good, period. No QB is perfect all 4 qrts of every game. And every QB makes mistakes. To say hes struggling or hasnt found his rythym is hogwash. He's peforming to the gameplan. Sometimes the game plan isnt designed to make RW look good, its designed to win games and control them. He played 2.5 qrts yesterday and threw 4 TD's, 200 yards with a 117 Passer Rating. He threw a pick that was deflected and a fumble.

I think Im well within my right to defend any QB with those stats.

While completely missing the overall point that our OFFENSE can still play better. I don't know how you can miss the fairly obvious point that I was talking about the TEAM.

You need to start reading the posts and ingesting the meaning before responding. Assuming people are ragging on the team because they want them to play to their potential is dumb.

Im assuming what I see all the time. Good is never good enough. Short of a perfect game, none of you will ever feel like the team has lived up to its potential. No one seems to be able to enjoy winning (handily might I add) without looking for all the negatives.

Again, straw man argument by assuming perfection = living up to potential.

Let's play pretend shall we?

It's Super Bowl XLIX. Do you A) want the O-line to have improved its protection and run blocking from the beginning of the season or B) Ya know what, we were good enough anyway and you really can't be perfect?

 

[Perfundle]

While completely missing the overall point that our OFFENSE can still play better. I don't know how you can miss the fairly obvious point that I was talking about the TEAM.

You need to start reading the posts and ingesting the meaning before responding. Assuming people are ragging on the team because they want them to play to their potential is dumb.

Just because the offense can play better doesn't mean that it's a disappointment when they don't. The offense CAN score a touchdown every time it touches the ball; are you disappointed when they don't? Even Denver, who scored 49 points against Baltimore, could've played better; they were down 17-14 at halftime. But I don't think their fans are talking about how they haven't played to their potential.

To say that we're requiring perfection is a straw man argument. What some people, like me, are saying is that the team has set a standard and they have yet to live up to it. They will, and they showed signs yesterday, but there was still too much pressure on Wilson and our RBs have been getting met behind the line again.

They will? The standard in the SF game was 11-12 conversions on third down. You have unilaterally decided that that should be the standard and are unsatisfied that the offense isn't reaching it? Well, prepare to be unsatisfied all season, then.

 

[scutterhawk]

Week 1. vs the Panthers (top 10 defense last year and one of the better front 7's in the game)

Week 2. vs the 49ers (a very good defense that has been top five the past 2yrs)


What else has to be said?

Even though they've played together with Wilson at the helm, there's a lack of proficiency by the O-Line, AND there's a bit of drop off in the running game, and I think Robinson is a bit of the missing piece there.
Still some misfires, and now that Okung is sidelined w/injury, consistency will have to be re-established.
Can't ignore these differences.

 

[Sarlacc83]

While completely missing the overall point that our OFFENSE can still play better. I don't know how you can miss the fairly obvious point that I was talking about the TEAM.

You need to start reading the posts and ingesting the meaning before responding. Assuming people are ragging on the team because they want them to play to their potential is dumb.

Just because the offense can play better doesn't mean that it's a disappointment when they don't. The offense CAN score a touchdown every time it touches the ball; are you disappointed when they don't? Even Denver, who scored 49 points against Baltimore, could've played better; they were down 17-14 at halftime. But I don't think their fans are talking about how they haven't played to their potential.

You got me. I really like complaining about wins and have absolutely no concept of long term goals.

To say that we're requiring perfection is a straw man argument. What some people, like me, are saying is that the team has set a standard and they have yet to live up to it. They will, and they showed signs yesterday, but there was still too much pressure on Wilson and our RBs have been getting met behind the line again.

They will? The standard in the SF game was 11-12 conversions on third down. You have unilaterally decided that that should be the standard and are unsatisfied that the offense isn't reaching it? Well, prepare to be unsatisfied all season, then.

That's not a standard. That's a high point. Good hell, some of you must think that PC goes into practice and tells the guys, "Great job! Nothing to work on this week!"

 

[Perfundle]

Again, straw man argument by assuming perfection = living up to potential.

Let's play pretend shall we?

It's Super Bowl XLIX. Do you A) want the O-line to have improved its protection and run blocking from the beginning of the season or B) Ya know what, we were good enough anyway and you really can't be perfect?

If the coaching staff is seen to attempt improvement (changing personnel, alignments, etc.), then that's good enough.

Let's flip the hypothetical.

It's after Super Bowl XLIX and Seattle has blown out the opponent, but there were issues with the OL in pass and run blocking. Do you A) celebrate the victory or B) talk about how the offensive line never reached its potential all season?

 

[Sarlacc83]

Again, straw man argument by assuming perfection = living up to potential.

Let's play pretend shall we?

It's Super Bowl XLIX. Do you A) want the O-line to have improved its protection and run blocking from the beginning of the season or B) Ya know what, we were good enough anyway and you really can't be perfect?

If the coaching staff is seen to attempt improvement (changing personnel, alignments, etc.), then that's good enough.

Let's flip the hypothetical.

It's after Super Bowl XLIX and Seattle has blown out the opponent, but there were issues with the OL in pass and run blocking. Do you A) celebrate the victory or B) talk about how the offensive line never reached its potential all season?

False dichotomy. I celebrate the victory because it's the end of the season and we've probably avoided exploitable weaknesses. However, it then becomes something I look for the front office to fix in the coming year through personnel additions.

 

[Perfundle]

You got me. I really like complaining about wins and have absolutely no concept of long term goals.

I don't know much about your posting history, but in this thread at least, you do seem to like complaining about the bad stuff that happened in a blowout win.

That's not a standard. That's a high point. Good hell, some of you must think that PC goes into practice and tells the guys, "Great job! Nothing to work on this week!"

So why are you mentioning that high point when you are talking about team potential? Tell me, what are YOUR standards? It's easier to discuss this if I know that.

 

[Perfundle]

False dichotomy. I celebrate the victory because it's the end of the season and we've probably avoided exploitable weaknesses. However, it then becomes something I look for the front office to fix in the coming year through personnel additions.

Seattle doesn't need to have to avoid exploitable weaknesses to win the Super Bowl. They just need to have less of them, or at least exploit the opponent's weaknesses more than the opponent exploits theirs. As for what the coaching staff is doing. They only have a limited amount of time each week to shore up weak areas, so they have to decide what to emphasize. With respect to the offensive line, it seems that Cable has always emphasized the run blocking and not the pass protection. Perhaps they simply don't have time to master both, so I don't really expect them to master both.

 

[Sarlacc83]

You got me. I really like complaining about wins and have absolutely no concept of long term goals.

I don't know much about your posting history, but in this thread at least, you do seem to like complaining about the bad stuff that happened in a blowout win.

That's not a standard. That's a high point. Good hell, some of you must think that PC goes into practice and tells the guys, "Great job! Nothing to work on this week!"

So why are you mentioning that high point when you are talking about team potential? Tell me, what are YOUR standards? It's easier to discuss this if I know that.

I haven't complained at all. I have made mention why some people feel the way they do, and I've also targeted some areas that need improvement.

My 'ideal' is 90% positive plays. I don't expect 20 yard runs constantly, but the offensive line should pick up their assignments and create positive gains, even if they're a yard or two. The opposing team is going to make great plays once in awhile (something I harp on whenever people claim we should never have lost a game because X player sucks.) but right now they're too frequent for my tastes.

In the same way, Wilson is going to get sacked any number of times, but we shouldn't be seeing as many free run blitzes as we have. I'm not sure how you'd break down who's at fault without hearing play calls, but it's probably a mix of bad line calls and Wilson holding the ball too long.

I'd like to see more receivers catching the ball in the soft spots of zones. I think Willson and Miller got there (or are getting there) on Sunday. Again, as I've mentioned before in previous posts, no preseason = discombobulation.

Finally, the offense seems to be designed around Harvin, and we're missing that X-factor so things probably won't work as well without him.

Edit: Penalties were a lot better on Sunday, and that helped quite a bit, too. Also, I'm really excited about this team and where it's going. I just want to get there.

 

[Perfundle]

Man Calm down! I think its allowed for people to express their opinions on a public forum!

This is exactly what I am talking about. Some of you have made RW into P.Manning/Brady status and wont allow anyone to point out a few of his weaknesses. I never said RW sucks or needs to be benched. All I am saying is RW can be a much better QB if he goes back to his dual threat mode and get rid of the ball faster! Now again, this is my opinion so calm the **** down and stop asking for threads to be locked up or shacked!

And I'm pointing out that Wilson was making those weaknesses last year as well. He held the ball the longest out of all starting quarterbacks last year, so him doing the same this year is not a decline for him. As for running the read-option, you've seen him get hit even when he hands it off, so unless you want to risk more of that, the coaching staff is going to tone it down.

 

[AbsolutNET]

So are the coaches looking for ways to improve after the game? Yes? Then why can't we discuss it if the guys running the show are?

 

[Perfundle]

My 'ideal' is 90% positive plays. I don't expect 20 yard runs constantly, but the offensive line should pick up their assignments and create positive gains, even if they're a yard or two. The opposing team is going to make great plays once in awhile (something I harp on whenever people claim we should never have lost a game because X player sucks.) but right now they're too frequent for my tastes.

Like I said, prepare to be disappointed almost every game then. That might've been the case for Carroll at USC, but that's a pipe dream in a balanced a league as the NFL. As talented as Seattle's offense might be, 90% positive plays essentially means scoring a touchdown on pretty much every drive. and even the 2007 Patriots never approached anything remotely close to that. The fact that you brought up the second half of Atlanta and the second SF game suggests that you do think those high points are achievable every game, when the poor play of the opponent also played a massive part in the outcome.

In the same way, Wilson is going to get sacked any number of times, but we shouldn't be seeing as many free run blitzes as we have. I'm not sure how you'd break down who's at fault without hearing play calls, but it's probably a mix of bad line calls and Wilson holding the ball too long.

Rodgers also holds the ball too long. Brady is not known for his long ball accuracy. Manning can't gun it into a tight pocket with velocity. There are certain aspects of even elite QBs that are basically part of who they are. If you ask them to correct it... well, they might be able to through massive repetition, but that means less repetition for other (and to the coaches, more important) parts of their game, and they might get worse at them as a result.