chris98251
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Consider the company that Penny is now in, Curt Warner and Shaun Alexander, those guys worked out ok as first rounders.
This was the kind of response I was hoping for. Thank you!DJrmb":35ydqvuj said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-san-diego-state-rb-rashaad-penny-a-first-round-talentPenny also led the draft class in elusive rating – PFF’s rushing metric that attempts to distil what a back did independent of the blocking that was given to him by looking at broken tackles and yards after contact. Penny broke 80 tackles on the ground last season and two more as a receiver. That figure was by far the most of anybody in this draft class, more than 20 clear of the rest of the field.
With the above stats think about our offensive line last year. Now, it should start to become clear why Penny was the best fit for Seattle in the FO's eyes to immediately improve the running game.
Sorry for questioning (moaning about) a particular move there, hardcore. :|original poster":1hh9sai8 said:This is typical "talent can only be found in the first round syndrome".
They literally addressed all the needs you listed, just because they're not 1st round picks doesn't mean they're set for failure.
If they'd have gone DL in the first would you moan they didn't go OL and corner (and RB!)?
massari":ziha65zu said:Sorry for questioning (moaning about) a particular move there, hardcore. :|original poster":ziha65zu said:This is typical "talent can only be found in the first round syndrome".
They literally addressed all the needs you listed, just because they're not 1st round picks doesn't mean they're set for failure.
If they'd have gone DL in the first would you moan they didn't go OL and corner (and RB!)?
The question was basically what makes picking Penny a priority over getting extra picks and RB's they can get in the 2nd-4th rounds + a free agent like CJ Anderson (now signed elsewhere)? Usually the RB position is the most common to find a stud in the 2nd-4th rounds that will be able to contribute early on in his rookie season.
massari":3eycrn9a said:Sorry for questioning (moaning about) a particular move there, hardcore. :|original poster":3eycrn9a said:This is typical "talent can only be found in the first round syndrome".
They literally addressed all the needs you listed, just because they're not 1st round picks doesn't mean they're set for failure.
If they'd have gone DL in the first would you moan they didn't go OL and corner (and RB!)?
The question was basically what makes picking Penny a priority over getting extra picks and RB's they can get in the 2nd-4th rounds + a free agent like CJ Anderson (now signed elsewhere)? Usually the RB position is the most common to find a stud in the 2nd-4th rounds that will be able to contribute early on in his rookie season.
With so many holes thanks to injuries and players being traded/leaving via free agency, would've thought they'd try to get more early picks and go for a RB outside the 1st rd.
So like the title of this thread reads "Why didn't the Seahawks trade down?". "DJrmb" has been the most help answering that.
MontanaHawk05":v7c026b6 said:massari":v7c026b6 said:Sorry for questioning (moaning about) a particular move there, hardcore. :|original poster":v7c026b6 said:This is typical "talent can only be found in the first round syndrome".
They literally addressed all the needs you listed, just because they're not 1st round picks doesn't mean they're set for failure.
If they'd have gone DL in the first would you moan they didn't go OL and corner (and RB!)?
The question was basically what makes picking Penny a priority over getting extra picks and RB's they can get in the 2nd-4th rounds + a free agent like CJ Anderson (now signed elsewhere)? Usually the RB position is the most common to find a stud in the 2nd-4th rounds that will be able to contribute early on in his rookie season.
Maybe the Seahawks don't evaluate RB's the way you do. Maybe they don't agree that the position is easier to draft in the middle rounds. Or maybe they didn't like Ballage (understandable) or Anderson (even more understandable) as much as you do.
And I suspect they aren't as down on their CB, OL, or DL spots as you are.
Honestly, bro, I think your question has been answered by a lot of people in this thread. You walked in treating "RB is easier to fill in the middle rounds" as some fundamental unquestionable axiom of the universe. The Seahawks obviously disagreed.
massari":2eybbje6 said:Stalking me again breh?
massari":2eybbje6 said:Look at it this way. Would you rather have Penny in the 1st and a guy like Dorance Armstrong/ Holton Hill in the 3rd or would you rather have a guy like Rasheem Green/Landry/Mo Hurst/Oliver/Josh Jackson/Corbett ect ect in the 2nd and a RB like Kalen Ballage/John Kelly/CJ Anderson+2019 2nd round pick?
massari":2eybbje6 said:No shit Penny is considered better at this point than RB's like Ballage/Kelly ect, but it's a hell of a lot easier finding RB's later than pass rushers, corners and OL. AND they'd of gotten a 2nd rounder next year.
Hopefully Schneider didn't turn down an even bigger off than what the Ravens gave up to the Eagles.
massari":bcipi298 said:EDIT: What is it that separates him from the other RB's that could've been had in rounds 2-4?
Do you feel the same way about the Patriots and Sony Michel?Sgt. Largent":2apugtxy said:My only contention with Penny is he better be our bell cow 20-25 carry a game back, or else yes we wasted a 1st round pick. You draft a RB in the 1st round, he better be more than just a dude thrown into your RBBC group.
purpleneer":qfshb9dp said:Do you feel the same way about the Patriots and Sony Michel?Sgt. Largent":qfshb9dp said:My only contention with Penny is he better be our bell cow 20-25 carry a game back, or else yes we wasted a 1st round pick. You draft a RB in the 1st round, he better be more than just a dude thrown into your RBBC group.
^ This ^ AND to add, if Solari can Coach up the O-Line to do just a smidge better, Penny could potentially have an even better chance to break for a few more big runs.DJrmb":27w44n05 said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-san-diego-state-rb-rashaad-penny-a-first-round-talentPenny also led the draft class in elusive rating – PFF’s rushing metric that attempts to distil what a back did independent of the blocking that was given to him by looking at broken tackles and yards after contact. Penny broke 80 tackles on the ground last season and two more as a receiver. That figure was by far the most of anybody in this draft class, more than 20 clear of the rest of the field.
With the above stats think about our offensive line last year. Now, it should start to become clear why Penny was the best fit for Seattle in the FO's eyes to immediately improve the running game.
Ok then. I'll just accept that methods matter to you more than winning.Sgt. Largent":2c8c158q said:purpleneer":2c8c158q said:Do you feel the same way about the Patriots and Sony Michel?Sgt. Largent":2c8c158q said:My only contention with Penny is he better be our bell cow 20-25 carry a game back, or else yes we wasted a 1st round pick. You draft a RB in the 1st round, he better be more than just a dude thrown into your RBBC group.
No because the Pats had two first rounders, and three picks in the top 54..........so if I'm a Pats fan I'm fine with the Michel pick.
So IMO a bad comparison, draft wise and offense wise. Pete wants our offense to be smash mouth run based, while the Pats use a stable of backs depending on the scheme and offensive playcalling week to week.
That's not us, this pick is VITAL for a team rebuilding desperately needing to get the offense going, AND that didn't have a 2nd round pick.
So no, if Penny's just going to split carries and play special teams? Not 1st round worthy, your first round pick EVERY year needs to be an impact every down type of player.
A die-hard cards fan told me that he would have hated if we drafted Will Hernandez and then pulled Ballage in the later rounds and this is my response.BullHawk33":17upyask said:Everyone thinks it is so easy to move down in the draft and get good value. That is flawed thinking. Deals may appear in one pick and disappear the next. Just because one deal was made to trade down didn't mean that the Seahawks could have received the same deal.
The answer is simple, John took Penny because he felt his value was higher than the options he had to trade out of that spot.