Why Are Fans So Upset?

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And you’re still wrong. These numbers don’t support what you’re saying regardless of how condescendingly you say it. 40% of last years line is gone. That makes a massive difference. It’s hard to get continuity or cohesion for them as they rotate guys in and out trying to find an answer at guard still.
What was I wrong about, Ozzy? I said, "The line is similar to last season." I then defended that point from someone who was making things up. Then I posted the stats acknowledging the subjectivity: "Define largely? The only major loss was Lewis, but three of the five Seahawks who played the most snaps last season are the same: Forsythe, Bradford, and Cross." All factually correct.

Notice that no one is going after the guy for saying Forsythe didn't start last year when he did. Instead, they are attacking me for saying 3 of 5 is similar while providing evidence to support my opinion. Embrassing. But hey, that's Seahawks.net in 2024, more a circle-jerk forum than a place for actual football discussion.
 

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That's not the same line, at all. Do you EVER go into a discussion w/out becoming condescending Hawks guy?
And if you don't like it here, nobody is forcing you to be here. Food for thought.
 

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Come on knownone, do you believe this roster is good enough to compete for a championship? Be honest. Pete could only get mediocre results with it and now MM is struggling with it. Common sense will tell you it's not.

JS is just defending himself and the choices he made. Nobody in the NFL for any organization is going to sit there and admit they screwed up along the way and blackmail their own employment.
They have the talent to compete for the division and make a playoff run.

Sure. JS has also set expectations not only for himself but for the organization. And look, I think you are wrong. You have no idea what John believes behind closed doors, so you're rationalizing why his public messaging differs from your belief about the roster.

Similarly, I think John believes the team is of championship/playoff caliber. He's said it multiple times. And it's not like he blew the roster up after Pete was fired. Instead, they made several win-now moves and continue to make mid-season tweaks to improve on a .500 team. That doesn't strike me as an FO who doesn't believe they can compete.
 

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What was I wrong about, Ozzy? I said, "The line is similar to last season." I then defended that point from someone who was making things up. Then I posted the stats acknowledging the subjectivity: "Define largely? The only major loss was Lewis, but three of the five Seahawks who played the most snaps last season are the same: Forsythe, Bradford, and Cross." All factually correct.

Notice that no one is going after the guy for saying Forsythe didn't start last year when he did. Instead, they are attacking me for saying 3 of 5 is similar while providing evidence to support my opinion. Embrassing. But hey, that's Seahawks.net in 2024, more a circle-jerk forum than a place for actual football discussion.
40% of your line is different and one of your projected starters hasn't played much at all. That's not circle jerking that's countering your point and its reasonable. You obviously think losing 2 starters isn't a big deal. Others think that it is.

You get into these arguments all the time with multiple people. My friendly advice is to look inward and see if its even remotely possible that maybe your approach brings some of this on? Apologies for the board not being up to your expert level of football acumen. Hopefully we slowly get there. You do post some pretty cool stuff at times but at the same time if anyone disagrees with you it's usually met with condescending remarks and I think people get frustrated with it. Or like you implied we're all stupid and circle jerk.

Let's try to agree to disagree and not take everything personal...this is for everyone not just knownone.
 

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They have the talent to compete for the division and make a playoff run.

Sure. JS has also set expectations not only for himself but for the organization. And look, I think you are wrong. You have no idea what John believes behind closed doors, so you're rationalizing why his public messaging differs from your belief about the roster.

Similarly, I think John believes the team is of championship/playoff caliber. He's said it multiple times. And it's not like he blew the roster up after Pete was fired. Instead, they made several win-now moves and continue to make mid-season tweaks to improve on a .500 team. That doesn't strike me as an FO who doesn't believe they can compete.
But you have no idea either and you're throwing darts just as he is and that's ok. It's part of being a fan and trying to figure this stuff out.
 

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That's not the same line, at all. Do you EVER go into a discussion w/out becoming condescending Hawks guy?
And if you don't like it here, nobody is forcing you to be here. Food for thought.
Notice the misrepresentation? I said, "The line is similar to last season." Yet our friend here says, "That's not the same line."

Is it reading comprehension? Is it intentionally disingenuous? I don't know. But I will continue to defend my similar usage.
 

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But you have no idea either and you're throwing darts just as he is and that's ok. It's part of being a fan and trying to figure this stuff out.
This is why you shouldn't respond without reading comments.

Pitt is telling me I'm wrong for taking John's comments at face value. I'm not interpreting or reading into John's words to defend my argument. I'm literally saying, "This is what John said."
 

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This is why you shouldn't respond without reading comments.

Pitt is telling me I'm wrong for taking John's comments at face value. I'm not interpreting or reading into John's words to defend my argument. I'm literally saying, "This is what John said."
It's common knowledge that coaches, GM's etc say all kinds of things that don't align with what they want to do or will do for obvious reasons. Pete Carroll said stuff all the time that we know was BS and he was right to do so. He has a right to weigh what he sees against the backdrop of his words and if they don't match up in his opinion he can question it.
 

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40% of your line is different and one of your projected starters hasn't played much at all. That's not circle jerking that's countering your point and its reasonable. You obviously think losing 2 starters isn't a big deal. Others think that it is.

You get into these arguments all the time with multiple people. My friendly advice is to look inward and see if its even remotely possible that maybe your approach brings some of this on? Apologies for the board not being up to your expert level of football acumen. Hopefully we slowly get there. You do post some pretty cool stuff at times but at the same time if anyone disagrees with you it's usually met with condescending remarks and I think people get frustrated with it. Or like you implied we're all stupid and circle jerk.

Let's try to agree to disagree and not take everything personal...this is for everyone not just knownone.
I get into arguments because I defend my posts against lazy attacks/responses—like the guy who said I was "flat out wrong" for saying Stone Forsythe started last season. I don't care if people are on my side or not. You telling me the line is not similar because it is 60% the same is semantics. That's you and others disagreeing with my characterization or word choice. There is nothing incorrect with my statement, though. Yet, here you are, telling me there is based on your arbitrary interpretation of the word.
 

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It's common knowledge that coaches, GM's etc say all kinds of things that don't align with what they want to do or will do for obvious reasons. Pete Carroll said stuff all the time that we know was BS and he was right to do so. He has a right to weigh what he sees against the backdrop of his words and if they don't match up in his opinion he can question it.
I have no issue with Pitt believing whatever he wants, but in this context, I'm being told I'm wrong for taking the front office's words at face value. See the difference? He is dismissing an objective fact. I am not.
 

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Did you look at the prediction thread? Lol. A lot of fans can't see through their bias and believe the team to be so much better than it is.
Unfortunately, I am the only one that seems to have 'guessed' a bit more accurately. I had them at 7-10 and that sure looks about where they'll be come Jan. I certainly don't see more than 7. MM is going thru this year seeing what he has and what he needs. Watching the games knowing and accepting who they are makes it a whole lot easier.
 
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They have the talent to compete for the division and make a playoff run.

Sure. JS has also set expectations not only for himself but for the organization. And look, I think you are wrong. You have no idea what John believes behind closed doors, so you're rationalizing why his public messaging differs from your belief about the roster.

Similarly, I think John believes the team is of championship/playoff caliber. He's said it multiple times. And it's not like he blew the roster up after Pete was fired. Instead, they made several win-now moves and continue to make mid-season tweaks to improve on a .500 team. That doesn't strike me as an FO who doesn't believe they can compete.

Wow. At what point will it take you to realize they don't have the talent to compete for a title? What do you need to see for you to believe it? How many stars are on the Hawks' roster? How many? How many near .500 seasons does there need to be before you believe? The Oline has less than $20 million invested in it and is one of the worst in the league and you and JS think it's a post season/championship caliber roster.

If JS thinks this is a championship caliber roster than he needed to go with Pete, because he's part of the problem.

Let me just say this, I promise you the current roster will look different next season.
 
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