What's worse, oline or Bevell?

[w00t]

The Oline was terrible tonight, but Bevell did literally NOTHING to help.

I haven't minded Bevell the last 3 seasons up until tonight, the guy lost me during that goal line series.

I don't care how bad the oline was looking, we've had the same B.S. line weeks before and we would give the ball to Lynch to punch it in, running two read options in a row when it was pretty god damn clear the Rams had it figured out was god damn stupid, stop being cute and punch the ball in. You have a freaking MAN back there at RB, USE HIM!

I know we scored, but that goal line series sucked, and pissed me off for the whole game, and I rarely ever get pissed off.

:thirishdrinkers:

 

[652cHAWK]

This game reminded me a lot of the Hasslebeck run Seahawks O, when the DL was blitzing relentlessly, and there was absolutely no run game, no screens, no check downs,.....nothing.

 

[largenutz]

I thought we might see C.Michael last night, just to see if his speed,on say a pitch out, might help with the run game.

 

[Largent80]

O-Line is obviously dreadful.

Bevell isn't much better, and you have to put some blame on all the coaches,

HOWEVER....7-1.

 

[hawks4thewin]

I look at it like this,,, when we played superior defensive lines that were always crashing behind the line, we started running screens. they work... at least the first few times then you can open it up a bit.
I don't know why we don't make offensive scheme adjustments. I am convinced bevel is scripting the first 20 plays of a series. regardless of what he see's.
just my thoughts..
Also, Mcquistin is getting beat every single play... unless its a zone chop block.... I will watch the tapes and see the other games.. it could be they were just that much better then him.
either way... why no 12 or 13 personnel? we sure like our 10 and 11 personnel when our line is getting Dominated....

 

[SeaTown81]

I'm not saying Bevell called a good game by any means. But how anyone could have watched that game and think he was more to blame than the HORRIFIC o-line play is baffling to me. Just baffling.

 

[Tech Worlds]

I'm not saying Bevell called a good game by any means. But how anyone could have watched that game and think he was more to blame than the HORRIFIC o-line play is baffling to me. Just baffling.

Yes but he didn't change his scheme to help out our online.

Him and Pete got out coached and if they keep it up we aren't going to have Russell Wilson to finish the year.

 

[Largent80]

Rams were desperate being #30 in rush defense and us #2 in rush offense. Give them credit for playing an inspired game.

In the end, it still is a gigantic W in the standings column.

One would think our backups would start getting better with all the time they are getting, but they aren't, so what ar you gonna do?....Our options aren't all that great.

 

[Slick]

I asked in another thread. Do we not like running screens and bubbles? I'm too lazy to go back and look but my thinking is we hardly ever call it and we could have used those type of plays last night.

I think no matter what we don't have an offense designed to get the ball out in < 2 seconds and also don't have the ability to allow more than three seconds for a screen to develop. Wow!

I'm going to go against the grain here and say it is an oline/personnel problem and Bevell knew we'd be screwed anyway trying to run screens.

 

[Ozzy]

Its the Offensive line and its not even close. I like Bevell but he did show a lack of creativity. I realize the line limits your options but you have to figure something out. Screens were working so why not do more. Slants seemed to be there as well and we only ran a couple. But the line was terrible and might be one of the worst performances in the NFL this year by any team. It was physical, mental....everything. At times huge mental mistakes left guys untouched. They weren't even slowing people down at times. No excuse for just getting beat time after time again. Embarrassing.

 

[hawkfannj]

Both are holding us back

 

[RolandDeschain]

Bevell, because he doesn't adjust our damned play calling to compensate for a crappy line when it's getting abused in singularly horrific fashion. We're running at 3/5ths power on the O-line, what in the hell is Bevell's excuse? He woke up retarded in his hotel room in St. Louis yesterday? Upset tummy from too many ribs, and mommy wasn't around to make him feel better?

 

[Sac]

Man, we needed screens and draw plays and 2-3 TE tight formations.

Bevell and Cable are not compensating for the line getting demolished and they're going to get Russell killed.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I'm not saying Bevell called a good game by any means. But how anyone could have watched that game and think he was more to blame than the HORRIFIC o-line play is baffling to me. Just baffling.

As the coach of the offense you have to be prepared for that. The Rams have 2 all-pro DE's and gave this offense trouble with a healthy OL two times last year.

He was leaving a converted tackle and 7th round pick on a damn island with Chris Long and Robert Quinn. Very rarely used max protect, very rarely kept in a back to block (there was one play they highlighted on NFLN where Turbin is in the gun and he doesn't chip Quinn.. just runs a route which the Rams linebackers are conceding.. but Quinn just blows by McQ and gets the easy sack on Wilson)

Bevell is downright awful right now. He tries to get too cute with the play-calling and its going to wind up getting Wilson hurt.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Hasselbeck is right. This is 3 straight games where the Rams have absolutely raped our offensive line. How do you NOT try different things to mitigate that? What's that quote attributed to Einstein?

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

Lord almighty...

 

[kearly]

I actually said Bevell, because when Seattle had their fully healthy line in the preseason, it looked as good as ever. Our backup tackles are emergency caliber, and both Max Unger and JR Sweezy are regressing badly on top of that, but you wonder how much that has to do with their surrounding environment and changes to scheme (less I-formation, more spread, etc). If we have a healthy line and execute the same offense as last season, I don't think we'd be complaining too much.

Bevell on the other hand has not shown the same ability to adapt that we saw from him during 2011 and 2012. The screen pass and bubble screens are almost non-existent, he barely used I-formation despite having Mike Rob back, and he refused to move the pocket for Wilson despite the fact that Wilson was being hit, hurried or sacked on roughly 90% of his plays for the game (18 for his first 20).

I think people look for reasons to justify their impressions, which is why we see so much MMQB'ing over playcalling for example. But for the first time in ages, I think playcalling might actually be a real issue for Seattle right now. Not because of specific playcalls, but because of a gameplan that has completely ignored our teams total inability to protect with Bowie and McQuistan at the bookends.

 

[Tical21]

This was not, I repeat, NOT, Bevell's fault. I would have called almost the exact same plays. The Rams drew a line in the sand. "We're going to press and take away the run. We're not going to give you time for intermediate passes. You're going to have to hit slants and fades, and we don't think you can do it".

Therefore, Bevell drew a line in the sand also. He said to his team "I'm not going to get cute with formations, I'm not going to call gimmick plays. We're going to keep running slants and fades, period. You guys make plays."

Football doesn't get any more basic. Bevell did exactly what he should, and the bottom line is that if we had completed slants or win on fade routes, we would have had big play after big play. And our guys couldn't complete simple slant routes or fades. Couldn't do it. That is not Bevell's fault. This is about our players putting on big boy pants and completing simple plays. Golden dropped a slant, Kearse dropped a slant. Wilson air-mailed a fade.

Bevell tried to call roll-outs, and Wilson got hit in the nose because we couldn't set the edge. He reluctantly called some screens. He could have gotten cute with some stack formations to try to get some guys a little bit of space, but I'm with him. F That Crap!! Complete a damn slant!!

If we were behind or weren't 6-1, he would have to adjust and do whatever it took to win the game at all costs. But I'm really glad he challenged our guys to complete basic plays rather than caving.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Tical, that seems like being a stubborn old goat to me. Since when is the hallmark of even a decent offensive OR defensive coordinator their REFUSAL to make in-game adjustments?

Seems nuts, IMO. You point out that we dropped a couple slants, and we did, but regardless of that how many were called on the night, and not on 3rd down after failed runs where even my dead grandmother sees a passing play coming?

 

[Tical21]

Tical, that seems like being a stubborn old goat to me. Since when is the hallmark of even a decent offensive OR defensive coordinator their REFUSAL to make in-game adjustments?

Seems nuts, IMO. You point out that we dropped a couple slants, and we did, but regardless of that how many were called on the night, and not on 3rd down after failed runs where even my dead grandmother sees a passing play coming?

Oh, it was a total stubborn "old goat" move, but a totally necessary one IMO. There aren't adjustments to be made. The slant IS the adjustment. Teams are going to take the tape of this. And we're going to see a lot of the same thing. And if we can't start to complete slants or fades against it, we're done, dead. You simply have to do it.

Look, once we start to complete them, Golden and Percy are going to turn those slants into 70 yard TD's, and guys like Baldwin and Kearse should complete 3rd down after 3rd down. But if teams continue to press without safeties over the top, and we can't make them pay, we're in BIG trouble. Just have to keep getting better at it, make the teams pay, and then defenses have to open up, and we get our Marshawn back, and all sorts of stuff can open back up.

If teams blitz and press, and you can't complete a slant or fade, you're in trouble, period, so you better figure it out real quick.

 

[Johnny]

Bevell by far this the biggest problem we are having on offense.... Our two tackles are out with injury and this guy wants to throw the ball on every down.... This is how you get your QB injured....