What are our weaknesses? There aren't many

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One other weakness is the lack of separation by the WRs. I'm not saying the WRs are a bad group, just that their separation ability is a weakness. Hopefully Harvin will help in this area.

If we're comparing our problems to the Broncos, then we're talking about the Super Bowl, in which case Harvin and Okung should be healthy by then.

Denver's o-line is in just as bad shape (health-wise) as ours is right now, but ours is more likely to get better. They lost their center in training camp and just lost their Pro Bowl LT for the season (unlike Okung, who will be back). I think the replacement LT's performance on Monday was masked by their weak opponent. A good four man pass rush has always been the best way to stop Manning, and it appears we finally have one. Our pass rush vs. their depleted o-line should be an advantage for us.
 

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How about the lack of Tackles- Offenssive Tackles that is- the shelf is bare
 

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Denver would be an extremely tough matchup for the Seahawks. They have big receivers who can play physical plus an athletic TE who is coming into his own. Their QB is a veteran who is extremely intelligent. A slot guy that is the top of his position in the league. Plus their OL is solid. Not saying that the Seahawks couldn't beat the Broncos but it would be a tough matchup. Honestly, I don't think any other team poses the challenge on offense that Denver does. Look at other teams, they may have one big WR but that's it. Denver has three bonafide physical receivers D. Thomas, Decker, and J. Thomas. A quick slot guy - Welker. A HOF QB. A lethal combo.

I'm not a pie-in-the-sky guy, as l do think we still have deficiencies, but I really feel that our personnel and style of play makes us the one team in the league that would give Denver fits. First off, their D is mediocre at best, so our run-first offense, which is outstanding at scoring on long, sustained drives, would both score on them and be able to keep their potent offense off the field for long stretches. On offense, there's no questioning Manning's greatness, but he does have one glaring weakness - his utter lack of mobility. He compensates with his intellect and his ability to get rid of the ball quickly - he doesn't avoid the rush so much as he beats it by not holding the ball. Their entire offense is built around precise timing routes and exploitation of holes in opponents' zones, typically short crossing routes where Manning throws to a spot on the field and expects the receiver to be there. Their yardage is gained not so much through the air, but after the catch (I believe that right now he is second in the league in YAC). How do you best defend this? By disrupting the receivers at the LOS, thus throwing off the timing of the routes. If he throws to the spot, there is a high likelihood of incompletion or interception. If he holds the ball, it gives our 3 and 4 man fronts time to get pressure. For all of his greatness, Peyton has a tendency to become frustrated when is timing has been disrupted, causing him to force balls and throw multiple picks.

We match up well because we have DBs who can maul the receivers at the LOS, AND cover them downfield 1:1, AND win jump balls. We have a D line that can create pressure consistently with 3 and 4 man fronts, so we don't have to sell out on the pass rush. We have rangy safeties that can jump timing routes.
 

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Largent80":q0wtajcp said:
How in the hell could you think it is ok to have Bailey/Bowie as rookies starting on the line?

Kiss our superbowl chances goodbye if that happens.
And so, um, NOT playing someone on the O-Line at LT, and RT, you would fill those holes we have with those injuries by doing exactly what then?
 

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At this current time, I don't see any weaknesses. I just see a team that is not at it's full potential yet. O-Line health, Irvin will come in possibly a bit rusty and green to his new position. Clemons has a bit of rust. Harvin also will come in late and will no doubt have some rust to shake off. I also feel like Marshawn's run game suffered a little from the loss of M. Rob. Are we WEAK in any particular area, I don't think so. But I know we could get better in some areas down the line, and when that happens, this team will be very scary given how good we're doing already.
 
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Largent80":2ho1e26i said:
How in the hell could you think it is ok to have Bailey/Bowie as rookies starting on the line?

Kiss our superbowl chances goodbye if that happens.

I disagree, both have shown very well for rookies and our offensive line is definitely in better shape than it was 2 years ago. We will have our struggles but the talent level has improved and with Cable's coaching, this line will be okay, not great, but not bad either.

Here is a link that Basis4Day provided to Danny Kelly breakdown of Bailey with input from Davis Hsu. Admittedly it's preseason but he has the athleticism and power to play in the NFL.

And once Bowie gets a few games under his belt, he may be a better option than Breno. I believe this team can still make it to the Superbowl, and win, even if we have to play Bailey and Bowie. But Okung will be back before then anyway. In the meantime, these guys will get valuable experience.
 

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hawkfan68":5k83z5r4 said:
Denver would be an extremely tough matchup for the Seahawks. They have big receivers who can play physical plus an athletic TE who is coming into his own. Their QB is a veteran who is extremely intelligent. A slot guy that is the top of his position in the league. Plus their OL is solid. Not saying that the Seahawks couldn't beat the Broncos but it would be a tough matchup. Honestly, I don't think any other team poses the challenge on offense that Denver does. Look at other teams, they may have one big WR but that's it. Denver has three bonafide physical receivers D. Thomas, Decker, and J. Thomas. A quick slot guy - Welker. A HOF QB. A lethal combo.
Did Wes Welker (with Tom Brady at the helm) dominate against the Seahawks DBs?, NO.
I don't care if Welker is Mannings favorite target, the Seahawks Secondary took his extraordinary, and made it ordinary, AND the LOB was designed for the likes of D. Thomas, Decker, AND J. Thomas, see matchup between "the Chancellor" and Ver-NON Davis, and besides, we have a Thomas of our own that can run with ANY big dog that Denver can field.
White and Jones weren't outstanding against the LOB either.
 

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Our O line has some issues to be honest. That should be a concern the rest of the team seems to have enormous depth including QB
 

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halps80":buuygwwt said:
Denver would be an extremely tough matchup for the Seahawks. They have big receivers who can play physical plus an athletic TE who is coming into his own. Their QB is a veteran who is extremely intelligent. A slot guy that is the top of his position in the league. Plus their OL is solid. Not saying that the Seahawks couldn't beat the Broncos but it would be a tough matchup. Honestly, I don't think any other team poses the challenge on offense that Denver does. Look at other teams, they may have one big WR but that's it. Denver has three bonafide physical receivers D. Thomas, Decker, and J. Thomas. A quick slot guy - Welker. A HOF QB. A lethal combo.

I'm not a pie-in-the-sky guy, as l do think we still have deficiencies, but I really feel that our personnel and style of play makes us the one team in the league that would give Denver fits. First off, their D is mediocre at best, so our run-first offense, which is outstanding at scoring on long, sustained drives, would both score on them and be able to keep their potent offense off the field for long stretches. On offense, there's no questioning Manning's greatness, but he does have one glaring weakness - his utter lack of mobility. He compensates with his intellect and his ability to get rid of the ball quickly - he doesn't avoid the rush so much as he beats it by not holding the ball. Their entire offense is built around precise timing routes and exploitation of holes in opponents' zones, typically short crossing routes where Manning throws to a spot on the field and expects the receiver to be there. Their yardage is gained not so much through the air, but after the catch (I believe that right now he is second in the league in YAC). How do you best defend this? By disrupting the receivers at the LOS, thus throwing off the timing of the routes. If he throws to the spot, there is a high likelihood of incompletion or interception. If he holds the ball, it gives our 3 and 4 man fronts time to get pressure. For all of his greatness, Peyton has a tendency to become frustrated when is timing has been disrupted, causing him to force balls and throw multiple picks.

We match up well because we have DBs who can maul the receivers at the LOS, AND cover them downfield 1:1, AND win jump balls. We have a D line that can create pressure consistently with 3 and 4 man fronts, so we don't have to sell out on the pass rush. We have rangy safeties that can jump timing routes.

What team wins the majority of games?

The team with the better defense.

Now who's got the better defense?

It's an old adage, the best defense vs the best offense: defense wins.
 

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scutterhawk":1ie0f7on said:
hawkfan68":1ie0f7on said:
Denver would be an extremely tough matchup for the Seahawks. They have big receivers who can play physical plus an athletic TE who is coming into his own. Their QB is a veteran who is extremely intelligent. A slot guy that is the top of his position in the league. Plus their OL is solid. Not saying that the Seahawks couldn't beat the Broncos but it would be a tough matchup. Honestly, I don't think any other team poses the challenge on offense that Denver does. Look at other teams, they may have one big WR but that's it. Denver has three bonafide physical receivers D. Thomas, Decker, and J. Thomas. A quick slot guy - Welker. A HOF QB. A lethal combo.
Did Wes Welker (with Tom Brady at the helm) dominate against the Seahawks DBs?, NO.
I don't care if Welker is Mannings favorite target, the Seahawks Secondary took his extraordinary, and made it ordinary, AND the LOB was designed for the likes of D. Thomas, Decker, AND J. Thomas, see matchup between "the Chancellor" and Ver-NON Davis, and besides, we have a Thomas of our own that can run with ANY big dog that Denver can field.
White and Jones weren't outstanding against the LOB either.

Wes Welker on the Patriots is different than Welker on Broncos. The Broncos have a better WR core than the Pats do. It's easier to shut top WRs down when there isn't anyone else. The Broncos have 3 players that could be #1 on the Pats right now for receivers - D.Thomas, Welker, and Decker. Once again, besides Davis and Boldin who are the other receiving threats on the 49ers? The Broncos have 4 viable threats. The Seahawks can stop them, no doubt but it won't be as easy as some are making it out to be.
 

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