What about Russell Wilson?

[Throwdown]

His hands are just too damn big.

 

[drdiags]

In ESPN the Mag there is an article about Cam Newton and how he had 2nd year struggles. One NFC Scout was saying that all the 2nd year QBs will have problems as DCs have a year of tape on them now. With that will come changes to pressure the young QBs in their known weaknesses, try to make them think too much. His premise was the QB's coaches make it worse as they pile on exotic responses to the moves the DCs have made, instead of keeping it simple.

The suggestion was to think less instead of more so the QBs is just playing instead of thinking. Probably why there was the summer debate about who would have a sophomore slump? I think Wilson is adjusting to the new ways DCs are game-planning him as he and the Seahawks coaches see what the other team is bringing to stop him. It will probably take him awhile to adjust to this next level of attack the teams have for him.

 

[sc85sis]

This might be an unpopular statement, and I'm in no way guaranteeing I'm right about it either. But I think that Russell may always take a second or so longer to make his throws than a guy like Manning because he's, um, well--he's short. He has to find the open throwing lane as well as the open receiver. If that is the case, it means he'll need pass pro to hold up a smidge longer too. And considering the quality of the front 7 for the Panthers and '9ers, I'm not surprised his play has been a bit off.

 

[keasley45]

questionable play design (o coordinator), qustionable situational play calling (o coordinator), slow to find the open guy and reluctant to pull the trigger at times (Rus). those are the three things i see.

 

[nanomoz]

96.8 QB Rating and undefeated. He's doing fine.

Nuff said!

:thirishdrinkers:

Unless you consider the fact that these slow starts by Wilson and the Hawks were largely responsible for ending the 2012 campaign short of the super bowl.

His QB Rating against Atlanta was like 109, his ESPN new metric rating was over 90. But getting outscored 20-0 in the first half was a problem, and could continue to be a problem against top tier teams.

I want the Seahawks to win the friggin' super bowl. I want to talk about why they might, and what might hold them back. Winning two games in the early season doesn't preclude analysis.

 

[keasley45]

This might be an unpopular statement, and I'm in no way guaranteeing I'm right about it either. But I think that Russell may always take a second or so longer to make his throws than a guy like Manning because he's, um, well--he's short. He has to find the open throwing lane as well as the open receiver. If that is the case, it means he'll need pass pro to hold up a smidge longer too. And considering the quality of the front 7 for the Panthers and '9ers, I'm not surprised his play has been a bit off.

agree with this which is why i think at times we have trouble converting quick pass plays like slants. russ cant see them, nor can he at times see the quick hots in pressure situations - probably why we've made the fronts we've face look look even better than they are (they have been good).

bevell should call up a few more plays that moved the pocket, particularly with okung being out. I think it would also aid russ in seeing the field.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Why do people keep saying Wilson has a problem? He was balls out against Carolina.

Had we had any other Seahawk QB of the past we do not win that game. He made plays they simply could not.

Is Wilson Payton Manning? Of course not, but he is a baller and is not the reason for our offensive struggles.

 

[Tech Worlds]

Why do people keep saying Wilson has a problem? He was balls out against Carolina.

Had we had any other Seahawk QB of the past we do not win that game. He made plays they simply could not.

Is Wilson Payton Manning? Of course not, but he is a baller and is not the reason for our offensive struggles.

 

[bestfightstory]

96.8 QB Rating and undefeated. He's doing fine.

Nuff said!

:thirishdrinkers:

Unless you consider the fact that these slow starts by Wilson and the Hawks were largely responsible for ending the 2012 campaign short of the super bowl.

His QB Rating against Atlanta was like 109, his ESPN new metric rating was over 90. But getting outscored 20-0 in the first half was a problem, and could continue to be a problem against top tier teams.

I want the Seahawks to win the friggin' super bowl. I want to talk about why they might, and what might hold them back. Winning two games in the early season doesn't preclude analysis.

Very Well Said. Food for thought-eat up, people.

 

[bestfightstory]

Why do people keep saying Wilson has a problem? He was balls out against Carolina.

Had we had any other Seahawk QB of the past we do not win that game. He made plays they simply could not.

Is Wilson Payton Manning? Of course not, but he is a baller and is not the reason for our offensive struggles.

Meh.

 

[keasley45]

i think people are saying that he hasnt been as good as he could be, not that he has a problem. nothing wrong with that. if you go back and watch some of our offensive possessions over the lst two weeks, he's missed more than a few open receivers and those misses have in some cases been the reason why we've failed to sustain drives. Is it all his fault? no. does he have some huge issue? no. but he does need to get the ball out quicker against defenses with talented fronts and who are going to bring pressure consistently. if he cant because he just cant physically hit plays like shallow crosses (height), or we cant devise plays for him to get out from behind the line and make the quick read, we're going to struggle and worse, he's going to get clobbered.

 

[400WattHPSHawk]

We've been hoodwinked by a little (pun intended) con artist. :evil:

 

[brimsalabim]

How many runs on first down so far this season? Russell is all about staying on schedule and getting points. He is starting out in a hole too often this season.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

First two games of 2012, Wilson was:

33 for 54, 61%, 303 passing yards, about 5.6 ypa, an 87.6 qb rating with 2 TDs to 1 INT, 1 FUM while being sacked 5 times.

2013:

33 for 52, 64%, for 462 passing yards, about 8.9 ypa, an 96.8 qb rating with 2 TDs, 1 Int, and a fumble while being sacked 6 times.

Now the only question to ask is @CAR, vs SFO in 2013 harder match-ups than @ARI, vs DAL in 2012.

In my opinion Wilson has done considerably better this year than where he was at last year, but the protection has been much worse across the line in 2013 while facing tougher teams, tougher defenses than in 2012?

He might not be the guy we ended the season with in 2012 but he's definitely on track to have a better season than last year, nonetheless.

 

[seahawk 17]

96.8 QB Rating and undefeated. He's doing fine.

Nuff said!

:thirishdrinkers:

Unless you consider the fact that these slow starts by Wilson and the Hawks were largely responsible for ending the 2012 campaign short of the super bowl.

His QB Rating against Atlanta was like 109, his ESPN new metric rating was over 90. But getting outscored 20-0 in the first half was a problem, and could continue to be a problem against top tier teams.

I want the Seahawks to win the friggin' super bowl. I want to talk about why they might, and what might hold them back. Winning two games in the early season doesn't preclude analysis.

Simple, I blame the play calling.

 

[loafoftatupu]

Wilson is the least of my concerns. There have been some changes in his looks and he will adapt. The guy has gone up against two of the better defenses he will see all year, with a few coming up in the next 5 weeks.

Wilson is going to get things moving just fine. Even the pick he threw wasn't on him fully with Tate falling down. He has shown flashes of total brilliance and been put in some tough situations. His accuracy and timing will all come together very soon. He isn't the kind of guy that repeats mistakes. Holding onto the ball too long a few times has hurt him, but that is because many times he thrives in those situations.

In the two plays he stepped up and played with the LOS before hitting Baldy and the shovel to Tate he looked like himself. I expect more of that coming. Those are precursors to his best play.

 

[themunn]

Surprising how Wilson gets the blame for the 20-0 first half in Atlanta.

He's not the one that fumbled on the goalline
He's not the one that failed to run for 3rd and 1 and the subsequent 4th and 1
He's not the one that allowed 20 points to be scored against us.

Yes, he took a sack at the end of the half which cost us 3 points. But that cost us THREE points, not 20.

 

[hawk45]

Surprising how Wilson gets the blame for the 20-0 first half in Atlanta.

He's not the one that fumbled on the goalline
He's not the one that failed to run for 3rd and 1 and the subsequent 4th and 1
He's not the one that allowed 20 points to be scored against us.

Yes, he took a sack at the end of the half which cost us 3 points. But that cost us THREE points, not 20.

All true, but when RW is really humming he counterbalances crappy defensive play, see Chicago. He's capable of taking it on his shoulders Rodgers style. So when he has mortal games or struggles early, against really good teams, sometimes even he can't climb out of the hole.

Let's face it, you need that kind of play from your QB if you're going to win it all.

We all know we stole something getting Russell, and that he's going to be the guy to deliver us, but his own play has led us to expect that he can correct mistakes fairly quickly. He may never see some of the quicker developing, middle of the field routes quite as quickly as a P. Manning, then again, I don't think we'll see Russell choke in the playoffs nearly as much as a P. Manning either, and I'll take that trade.

The slow starts though I do think are within his power to correct. For sure we can help him with playcalling, but in the SF game his accuracy was crap in the first half and there was no reason for it since we was playing in SUCH a friendly environment with a defense and run game giving him SUCH an advantage. I'm certain he can do better than that, and I'm certain we'll soon see it. I'm also certain that through playcalling and what not he and Bevell can figure a way to try to establish more of a rythm early than trying for the deep slow routes where our lack of a left tackle can contribute to a slow start.

 

[Throwdown]

With all the rumors of Russell being a robot, maybe the lightning was messing with him in the early part of the game on Sunday?

I'm not worried, thats not gonna happen again this season.