Week One: What'd we learn...?

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Word, thanks for that.

While I was never one that hated on him, for essentially making a poor choice as a young man (odd, right?), he has to be likable at this point, yeah? He's growing into that role and I think its great.
 

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Jaguars ought to be calling up Tebow. Not for his skill (he has none), but to deal with their empty stadium issues.
 

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pehawk":1sk9b5fy said:
Word, thanks for that.

While I was never one that hated on him, for essentially making a poor choice as a young man (odd, right?), he has to be likable at this point, yeah? He's growing into that role and I think its great.

In the sense that, "how the hell is this kid still around?" I am pulling for him. I thought all the Tyler Wilson/Matt Flynn talk this offseason had doomed him, but he comes out unscathed and actually in better standing. Granted both Flynn and Wilson proved to be unstartable, but I think Pryor could do some damage if given a real team around him. Oakland has completely gutted both sides of the ball, somewhat like Seattle did a few years ago, except they haven't replaced it with much talent yet.

I wouldn't say I am rooting for him, but it would be awesome to see him become a real NFL QB.

5_Golden_Rings":1sk9b5fy said:
Jaguars ought to be calling up Tebow. Not for his skill (he has none), but to deal with their empty stadium issues.

While I think it would work (for ticket sales), I highly doubt they do it. Khan seems like a pretty straight shooter, and has shot this down multiple times already.
 
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5_Golden_Rings":2pvgxf5i said:
Jaguars ought to be calling up Tebow. Not for his skill (he has none), but to deal with their empty stadium issues.

They for sure should've considered it last year. I'll never understand why they didn't, really. It's not like he could've been worse, from a W-L perspective? But now, you cant really do that, IMO.

I get bashed for this, but, IMO Tebow deserved another shot immediately after Denver. Throw out training camp, preseason, all that. He just earned a chance to fail, at least. He brings a lot of this on his self, yeah, but I kind of feel bad for him because of his snub.

While these comparison are off-base from a talent perspective, it reminds me a lot of Moon and Flutie. NFL fans lost a lot of pleasure watching those dudes due to NFL stubbornness.
 

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We learned the Eagles are going to keep DC up at night. That pace is nuts.
 

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So, is Tampa Bay the only genuinely bad team in the NFC? Even the Cardinals, who I think would be the second worst team in the conference, look feisty and like an average team.

Honestly, I think Tampa is better than maybe three or four AFC teams, too. They should have beaten the Jets on the road, so I'd say they are better than the Jets, Jags, Raiders, probably the Titans (I think the Steelers are just terrible, not that the Titans are good), maybe the Chiefs (the Jags look that bad), and probably on par with a team like the Chargers.

Has the gap between NFC and AFC ever seemed this big?
 
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The 80's its was a huge tilt towards the NFC. Especially heading into, and through 97 or so.
 

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The Ravens looked like an 8 win team.

The Steelers looked like a 4 win team.

The Cardinals are a lot better on offense than I thought they'd be.

Wouldn't be shocked if the NFC West pulled a reverse 2010 with 4 winning teams.

I guess the Rams homers were right to hype Jared Cook.

I think the NFC East is stronger than people think. I think the Eagles win it.

Add TE Julius Thomas to the pile of weapons Peyton Manning has in Denver. Their run game is very weak, but how good was the 2007 Patriots running game?

If Cam Newton snaps out of it, Carolina could be pretty good. They badly need to get him weapons.

Titans and Jets are a mirage.

I have never been more unimpressed by a 21 point second half comeback than the one I saw with the Texans. They struggled to move the ball most of that game, but got bailed out by some big breaks and big plays. San Diego is no stranger recently to epic choke jobs.
 

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Steelers look old.
EJ Manuel will have to fight his check down charly tendencies.
Dom Capers went to some college coach to learn how to stop the RO. He should have gone to the draft and free agency and gotten a faster defense.

The Browns are the best bad team in the NFL. Talent everywhere, but I don't think the coaching is maximizing talent. The Cowboys are the worst good team.

There is an old axiom about pass rush making up for a lack of talent elsewhere in the NFL. Let's put that notion to bed, with the exception being that it is still true IF you have a points generator behind center like Peyton or Brady. The spread offense and rapid pace playcalling are going to expose formerly hidden lack of talent and depth. Having 5 decent pass rushers, fast linebackers, and decent press corners is going to be more important than having a few stars mixed with average everywhere else. Building a deep defense is more important than ever before. Not great, but deep.

Andre Johnson is Beast. The perfect WR.

San Diego has a turrible staff.

Bill Belli screwed up his off season worse than anyone.

Miami has the feel of a team that Ruskell tried, but failed, to build. The old model that is not going to work, but executed perfectly.

I take back what I said before, the Colts are the best bad team in the NFL.
 

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NFL Rewind is a great app, I just don't have enough time in the day to keep up with all the available games so I am probably wasting money. Or either I will be fired for goofing off on company time (like now).

The TB Bucs were bringing the pain in the Jets game. Barron is just as big a thumper as Goldston.

Geno Smith was a whole lot more functional than I thought he would be. Maybe and most likely not, Rex Ryan can force Idzik's hand if he wants to fire him after the season?

EJ Manuel did a credible job for the Bills.

Patriots need something positive to happen with their WRs/TEs but I am sure Brady will keep rolling along with whomever they put out there.

Kap has a gun. I don't care what he sounds like or the perception of him, a team can win with him at the helm. SF was the perfect fit for him. Just like Wilson is perfect for the folks up here in the PNW. Sorry PE.

GB's defense had some young'uns on the back end. They need to work through their issues quickly. Rodgers is good, no doubt.

Haven't gotten a chance to watch the other games, so cannot comment on what I saw but:

Oakland probably made the right decision to start Pryor over Flynn.

Jags opener has me hoping Bradley can pull a rabbit out of his hat, otherwise things could go way south for him. Pulling for him to get that team turned around in time. Just not before he plays here. Come get this beat down and best of luck to you the rest of the season.

Ouch, the Steelers may be in trouble this year. Tomlin will be getting some heat. Wonder if he weathers the storm? Rooney wanted them to be more like the old Steelers but that running game hasn't looked dominant to me for a few years.

Chiefs appear as though they are matching their talent with results. There is a chance Reid will get them where they were before the past 2 years. Wonder if they beat the Cowboys? Toss-up in my mind.

Saints. Nice win but Steven Jackson pulls down that pass on the goal line and Falcons are feeling good about themselves.

Falcons. Roddy White's ankle is going to keep things a little un-settled for a few weeks. They played good enough. Jackson, WTF.

Bengals played tough in Chicago but just not well enough. Bears still living off those turnovers and a gimpy Brandon Marshall.

Lions. They can score and Bush is a nice fit. Will have to see if Bush lasts for the season though. Didn't get a chance to watch their secondary. Is it still as bad as it has been?

Titans. Jake, this is it. Better make it work.

Cards/Rams - Put up points against one another. I expect both to be competitive this year. Maybe one of them surprises in the NFC West?

Panthers. Will be interesting to see how they do against the high powered offenses that like to air it out. They can stop the run but can they hold up on the back end? Olsen cost them against the Seahawks. He left two big gainers on the ground and still had a big day. DeAngelo needs to keep kicking himself. I wonder about J Stewart. He is injured as much as Run DMC.

Giants/Skins/Eagles/Cowboys - Dallas was getting their turnovers, so Kiffin has that going for him. Interested to see what the Eagles look like at mid-season. RGIII will take awhile until that injury is a thing of the past. Still didn't look right. Giants need for Wilson to get his head out of his butt.

Vikings. Ponder is like Jake Locker to me.

Browns. Weeden just cannot establish himself as the man.

Ravens. Defense needs some time to gel, I suspect they will be better as the season moves along. Will be in competition with the Bengals for the division crown is my guess at this moment. Browns and Steelers just don't seem to be in the mix. But it is early.

Dolphins. All the talk about Wallace and his production needs to be worked out. Just too much invested to use as a decoy.

Texans. Need to watch the game to figure out how the Chargers got the big lead on them and how did they manage to come back. Temporary blemish. They should be in the hunt all year.
 
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Don't apologize, Doc! I respect Kap and Harbaugh, it's just hard to say without nonsense following. That's great stuff.

Kearly, if you listened to me, like you should, I've been saying the Cards offense will be a force. Carson's still Carson, but dude can still chuck it. Arians matches his skill set, perfectly.

Key games for these teams this week; Browns, Fins, Lions, Giants and Titans. I'm higher on the Titans than most, they we're decimated with injuries last year.

I actually like the Bronco's running game once the trust Ball fully.
 

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drdiags":27s6i94n said:
NFL Rewind is a great app, I just don't have enough time in the day to keep up with all the available games so I am probably wasting money. Or either I will be fired for goofing off on company time (like now).

I am a big fan of the condensed replays, 30 mins a game. I just watch a couple each night, between that and the games I watch during the week, I am usually caught up by Thursday Night Football.

The TB Bucs were bringing the pain in the Jets game. Barron is just as big a thumper as Goldston.

TB is an interesting team. Ton of talents on both sides of the ball, but there is more missing than just confidence in their QB. Lot of talk coming out that the veteran players are getting tired of Schiano; supposedly some players think Schiano falsified the results of the team captain voting in order to get Freeman's captaincy taken away.

Geno Smith was a whole lot more functional than I thought he would be. Maybe and most likely not, Rex Ryan can force Idzik's hand if he wants to fire him after the season?

I was actually underwhelmed by this whole game, no one really stood out to me. Geno Smith probably stood out the most, just because I expected so little. With Sanchez finally out (and eventually gone) if there is some light at the end of the tunnel with Geno, I think it is in their best interest to get Rex as far away from him as possible.


EJ Manuel did a credible job for the Bills.

Pehawk really turned me on to this guy, wasn't a believer for the most part. He looked decent in Buffalo, and if some of their young WRs can step up, he has a few weapons at his disposal. An athletic TE would work wonders in this offense.

Patriots need something positive to happen with their WRs/TEs but I am sure Brady will keep rolling along with whomever they put out there.

With all the talk of Dobson and Thompkins this offseason/preseason, most people thought that Brady would continue being Brady. Don't buy it. When 4-5 of your top receiving options are gone one year to the next, there is going to be adjustment problems. Add into it an injured Amendola (already) I just don't see Brady having statistically that good of a year. They still will win their division, due to the lack of competition.

Kap has a gun. I don't care what he sounds like or the perception of him, a team can win with him at the helm. SF was the perfect fit for him. Just like Wilson is perfect for the folks up here in the PNW. Sorry PE.

As much as people love to talk about Harbaugh, I think the biggest factor behind SF's (and Kaep's) success is Greg Roman. He has done a tremendous job installing an offense that works to Kaep's strengths, and hides his weaknesses. Easy said than done. It will be a big task to replace Roman, when he takes a head coaching position sooner than later.

GB's defense had some young'uns on the back end. They need to work through their issues quickly. Rodgers is good, no doubt.

This is one of the things that gives me a lot of hope this weekend, GB's defense played horribly in the secondary. I don't see Seattle repeating the same mistakes.

Oakland probably made the right decision to start Pryor over Flynn.

Never thought this would have been true two years ago, but I think we can take the probably out of this sentence.

Jags opener has me hoping Bradley can pull a rabbit out of his hat, otherwise things could go way south for him. Pulling for him to get that team turned around in time. Just not before he plays here. Come get this beat down and best of luck to you the rest of the season.

There is no way Bradley turns it around, not this year, not ever in Jax. Not enough talent, and not enough team building acumen in the front office to help in the future. Unless they hit on a QB in the next draft, I think Bradley will have a 3 year stint at most.
Ouch, the Steelers may be in trouble this year. Tomlin will be getting some heat. Wonder if he weathers the storm? Rooney wanted them to be more like the old Steelers but that running game hasn't looked dominant to me for a few years.

Two words: Todd Haley.

Chiefs appear as though they are matching their talent with results. There is a chance Reid will get them where they were before the past 2 years. Wonder if they beat the Cowboys? Toss-up in my mind.

Justin Houston was a stand out in this game, I think he may just be their best defensive player.

Saints. Nice win but Steven Jackson pulls down that pass on the goal line and Falcons are feeling good about themselves.

Falcons. Roddy White's ankle is going to keep things a little un-settled for a few weeks. They played good enough. Jackson, WTF.

I think ATL made a bad signing in Jackson, he won't make it through the year. White is trailing off in his career just as Jones i picking it up. Should make for an easy transition for White.

Bengals played tough in Chicago but just not well enough. Bears still living off those turnovers and a gimpy Brandon Marshall.

I thought Cincy should have won this game, but Trestman has Cutler playing well. Making better decisions quicker, not holding on to the ball. Forte also seems to have upped his game, they have to hope he stays healthy.

Lions. They can score and Bush is a nice fit. Will have to see if Bush lasts for the season though. Didn't get a chance to watch their secondary. Is it still as bad as it has been?

Hard to tell, Ponder is bad. Real bad. They made some good plays against Ponder, and some stupid plays, allowing Simpson to have a big day against them. You would imagine their D line would help out the back end so much more, but that remains to be seen at this point.

Titans. Jake, this is it. Better make it work.

Even with the upgraded line, Titans looked bad up front. They have some talent (Britt, Wright, Johnson) but until Jake becomes a more consistent passer, doesn't matter how much talent they have.


Cards/Rams - Put up points against one another. I expect both to be competitive this year. Maybe one of them surprises in the NFC West?

Palmer puts up stats, but I just can't see him winning in a crucial game. That said, he made some amazing throws on Sunday, that STL had no answer for. He threw a fade to Fitz twice in a row, and even with STL knowing it was coming, couldn't stop it,

Panthers. Will be interesting to see how they do against the high powered offenses that like to air it out. They can stop the run but can they hold up on the back end? Olsen cost them against the Seahawks. He left two big gainers on the ground and still had a big day. DeAngelo needs to keep kicking himself. I wonder about J Stewart. He is injured as much as Run DMC.

Stewart is immensely talented, but you are right can't get healthy. A ton of lower extremity injuries, bad sign for a RB.


Giants/Skins/Eagles/Cowboys - Dallas was getting their turnovers, so Kiffin has that going for him. Interested to see what the Eagles look like at mid-season. RGIII will take awhile until that injury is a thing of the past. Still didn't look right. Giants need for Wilson to get his head out of his butt.

Manning gift wrapped a few of those turnovers, and Wilson wasn't exactly a bastion of technique. Cruz and Nicks abused Dallas' coverage. If they had any semblance of a running game, I think NYG actually comes back to win that game.

Eagles looked good on both sides of the ball, but will not be able to keep up that pace. It is one thing when you have 90 kids at your disposal, not going to happen with 46 in the NFL. Add into that Vick still is too reckless, and now they are giving him 20-30 more chances a game to get hurt.


Vikings. Ponder is like Jake Locker to me.

Just without the talent.

Browns. Weeden just cannot establish himself as the man.

Norval Turner has worked wonders as an OC, in fact I think only has 2 subpar years. I think Weeden my bring about his 3rd.

Ravens. Defense needs some time to gel, I suspect they will be better as the season moves along. Will be in competition with the Bengals for the division crown is my guess at this moment. Browns and Steelers just don't seem to be in the mix. But it is early.

Steelers are done. Browns I think finish with 6-7 wins. Cincy and Ravens are both probably double digit wins teams in a vacuum, but the Ravens schedule is TOUGH this year. I think Cincy wins the division, but this isn't exactly an unspoken thought.

Dolphins. All the talk about Wallace and his production needs to be worked out. Just too much invested to use as a decoy.

I like Tannehill, but with no run game I don't see this offense working out. Rumors of vets being disenfranchised already, not a good sign.

Texans. Need to watch the game to figure out how the Chargers got the big lead on them and how did they manage to come back. Temporary blemish. They should be in the hunt all year.

Chargers took then by surprise. Came out running the ball well, Rivers was accurate and quick with his decision making. And then, Houston finally got their feet underneath them. Daniels and Johnson took over SD's secondary and Foster/Tate had just enough going on the ground to keep the pass rush honest. SD abandons the run, even though they have the lead, and between turn overs, three and outs, and just generally bad defense Houston is right back in it. SD's game plan was great, until they decided put the game on Rivers' shoulders.
 

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The fact that Palmer even survived the Rams pass rush surprises me.
 
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kearly":23iw4e97 said:
The fact that Palmer even survived the Rams pass rush surprises me.

I'm going to really come off like a Palmer fanboy here, but his athleticism has always been underrated.
 
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