Was the Niners roughing the passer penalty the right call?

[HawkWow]

I thought it was a penalty right away. Nearly took his head off.

I thought that too...up until I saw the replay. By rule, it was probably a good call. It would have been a better no call, IMO. Especially at that *point in the game with that much at stake.

* I understand every minute of a game is technically the same. Technically, it shouldn't matter if it's 2:00 into the game, or at the 2:00 warning. Technically, you make the same determination, using the same criteria. But sometimes common sense should prevail over technicalities. N.O.'s line let Brees get clocked...they shouldn't be rewarded for that because of some rule interpretation or misinterpretation. The call was a bail out that cost SF the game. So I'm good with it in the end. ; )

 

[irocdave]

Wonder what the 9er fans would think of that play if DB didn't fumble? Actually I don't, all frustration would be focused in the correct direction. The 49ers were lucky to be in that game and the reason they lost was because of piss poor play by their O. To come to a Hawks forum and complain about officiating is hysterical. The 49er fans haven't dealt whit this kind of crap, and therefore have no idea what the Hawks and Hawk fans have been through for the last 15 years. They also have made no attempt at understanding our fan bases frustration of such poor officiating / NFL influence.
As has been mentioned, try losing a game to a BIG MARKET team because the QB's helmet crossed the goal line but the football was a 2' away from the goal line. Not even going to bring up details of the debacle that was officiating in our only SB experience. Toss in the BS officiating against the Ravens a year after getting hosed in the Jets game. While were on the subject, what were 49ers thoughts on Tate's catch against the Packers last year? How many points SHOULD be taken off the board this year with horrible PI or holding calls against the Hawks secondary? The Hawks D has given up at least 1 TD near the end of most games by multiple bad calls to sustain drives at the end of games.
49er fans looking for support from a fan base that has been abused by the NFL is pathetic. Blame your coach and QB.

 

[SmokinHawk]

Can anyone tell me why ramming his forearm and bicep into Drew Brees' throat should not be roughing?

 

[DHawk]

Man... his neck seriously looked like it got stretched out like 6 more inches on that hit. Daaaaaaaamn.

 

[Barakas]

That was called for roughing the passer

When you see the other angle the SF shoulder pad made near simultaneous contact with Brees helmet as his forearm making contact with Brees upper check/neck area.

I think it was the correct call. I'm pretty sure if the roles were reversed the 49er fans would be screaming for the penalty and NO would be saying no way in hell they hit Papaki in the chest. I know if that was us and Wilson got hit like that we would all be screaming for the flag.

Besides, they showed Brees spitting blood after that play so unless it came from his lungs there was definitely some sort of rough contact in the vicinity of his face.

 

[MrCarey]

It happened VERY fast, and while it isn't the right call after the fact, it is completely understandable why they would call it during the game.

If refs got to see everything in slow-mo, we'd have so many fewer penalties.

So, I'll vote YES, because at game speed, I understand.

Let me restate that I think it is the wrong call now, but I understand the call.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

It was a penalty you flat out cannot hit a quarterback that high.I hope after Wilson wins February 2nd he starts getting those calls also because I am tired of seeing all the head shots they're trying to take on him.

 

[253hawk]

Besides, they showed Brees spitting blood after that play so unless it came from his lungs there was definitely some sort of rough contact in the vicinity of his face.

Pretty sure he bit his tongue/lip...you can see it fall out of his mouth right before his head snaps back and bites down on it reflexively.

Kam's hit on VD was way cleaner, and it was still flagged (at speed, as a judgment call.) You go high on a $100 million QB like that, you've got to expect a 50/50 judgment call from the refs, minimum. There was plenty of room between the knees and the shoulders to tackle him.

 

[RichNhansom]

If that play was against NO and potentially changed the outcome for the Niners, every single Niner fan would be justifying the call. Especially the ones in here complaining about it.

 

[Popeyejones]

So Ray Lewis -- who is probably more pissed about this than most 9ers fans -- has offered to pay the fine for Brooks if the NFL fines him.

Also, ESPN polls are ESPN polls and shouldn't be taken seriously, but pretty rare to see them end up like this: http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollRes ... Id=4059425

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

If that happened to Kaepernick and wasn't called, the Niners fans would be fuming.

As would we if it was Wilson.

 

[Popeyejones]

If that happened to Kaepernick and wasn't called, the Niners fans would be fuming.

Uhh, it did happen to Kaepernick and wasn't called, which is one of the reasons why some 9ers fans are fuming (and also unrelated to the general belief beyond folks motivated by fandom that it was a bad call).

(and because I know many folks here have an itchy trigger finger when going after me, as I said right after the game, I don't blame the loss on the bad call. It can be a bad call and still not be the sole reason or even the major reason for the 9ers losing another very close game against another quality team).

 

[Laloosh]

If that happened to Kaepernick and wasn't called, the Niners fans would be fuming.

Uhh, it did happen to Kaepernick and wasn't called, which is one of the reasons why some 9ers fans are fuming (and also unrelated to the general belief beyond folks motivated by fandom that it was a bad call).

(and because I know many folks here have an itchy trigger finger when going after me, as I said right after the game, I don't blame the loss on the bad call. It can be a bad call and still not be the sole reason or even the major reason for the 9ers losing another very close game against another quality team).

And I already posted a picture of it happening to Kaepernick, in this thread.

 

[theENGLISHseahawk]

And I already posted a picture of it happening to Kaepernick, in this thread.

It's a six page thread.

Deal with it.

 

[Laloosh]

And I already posted a picture of it happening to Kaepernick, in this thread.

It's a six page thread.

Deal with it.

I was being sarcastic but, no. You deal with it.

 

[RichNhansom]

What's the context of Kaeps similar hit? Did the defender have a chance to go lower or strip thenball instead of intentionally trying to inflict as much pain as he could get away with? Was kaep on the move or stationary like Breeds was?

Just a pic doesn't answer the question.

 

[VivaEfrenHerrera]

What's the context of Kaeps similar hit? Did the defender have a chance to go lower or strip thenball instead of intentionally trying to inflict as much pain as he could get away with? Was kaep on the move or stationary like Breeds was?

Just a pic doesn't answer the question.

I've been looking, but can't really find anything. This leads one to believe that it might not quite be so similar, but I'm withholding judgement so far. I asked once already about the context but other niners guy didn't oblige.

 

[RichNhansom]

According to the web zone he had tucked the ball and was running. So that might have something to do with why your request for more info also went unanswered. It simply didn't help their argument.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

It was the right call because it made Brady lose. Sorry, I'm not even going to attempt to be rational about this.

 

[hox]

Agree with others. You can't clothesline a player like that, especially when they are in a defenseless passing position. A QB running the ball is different context altogether.

While the forearm didn't touch Brees' neck, the shoulderpad/bicep did. Contact was definitely made in the neck/collarbone area - not the chest/torso area, which would have been a different matter. Good call by the refs.