Walter Jones a first year HOF Semifinalist

[Kixkahn]

Discussion last night on show, most were calling Walter a lock in. A lot of people are certain he will go in first time.

 

[drdiags]

I don't like calling anyone "best ever" as I don't think it fair to compare players from different eras as the game changes so much, but he was arguably the best of his day, his only real competition coming from Jonathan Ogden, of whom I heard has a similar holding stat.

If Walt doesn't get elected on the first ballot, they need to burn the place down.

Though I have no love lost for division rivals Rams, you have to include Orlando Pace into that trio. I suspect you will see Ogden, Jones and Pace all make it on their first shot at the hall. So far 1 out of 3 with expectations to have 2 out of 3 this year. Pace has always been a concern for me when it came to the HoF and Jones, because of the Superbowl win he had. Out of the 3, Jones chance at the ring went up in smoke in Detroit, but I am not going to think about that fiasco right now.

Pace probably should have retired from the Rams instead of heading to Chicago for that 1 yr. But it did spread out the 3 LTs and their run at getting into the Hall.

 

[Erebus]

I don't like calling anyone "best ever" as I don't think it fair to compare players from different eras as the game changes so much, but he was arguably the best of his day, his only real competition coming from Jonathan Ogden, of whom I heard has a similar holding stat.

If Walt doesn't get elected on the first ballot, they need to burn the place down.

Though I have no love lost for division rivals Rams, you have to include Orlando Pace into that trio. I suspect you will see Ogden, Jones and Pace all make it on their first shot at the hall. So far 1 out of 3 with expectations to have 2 out of 3 this year. Pace has always been a concern for me when it came to the HoF and Jones, because of the Superbowl win he had. Out of the 3, Jones chance at the ring went up in smoke in Detroit, but I am not going to think about that fiasco right now.

Pace probably should have retired from the Rams instead of heading to Chicago for that 1 yr. But it did spread out the 3 LTs and their run at getting into the Hall.

Its a good thing only QBs are really judged on Super Bowl rings. As important as the position is, no left tackle was ever the main reason for a team winning the Super Bowl.

 

[el capitan]

Without a doubt Walter Jones has to be a first ballot HOFer, looking at the list of semifinalists I don't see anyone who is more deserving than #71.

On a slight tangent, I've always been under the impression that Kenny Easleys short career is the only reason he's not in the Hall of Fame, yet Terrell Davis has been short listed as at least a semifinalist for the last 5 or 6 years even though he played the same number of seasons (7) as Easley.
They both were AllPro 3 times but Easley went to 5 Probowls compared to TD's 3.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

If Jones isn't a first ballot HOF'er, then it just confirms that there's a tremendous east coast bias.

First Team All Rookie
9 Times Pro Bowl
7 Times All Pro
NFL Offensive Lineman of the Year (2005)

/discussion

 

[Greenhell]

Walter getting into the HOF is going to be the icing on the cake of that Super Bowl win. JOY!

 

[Hawk-A-Loogie]

This is the year of the Seahawks! Make it happen!

 

[drdiags]

Its a good thing only QBs are really judged on Super Bowl rings. As important as the position is, no left tackle was ever the main reason for a team winning the Super Bowl.

Sure, you can say this. But every time I read the HoF voters talk about a player getting in, the number of championships come into the discussion. It isn't the only thing but I think you are being dismissive if you think there is no weight given to this team-oriented accomplishment. Case in point was the yelling discussion Prime, Faulk and Irvin just had on players that should get in from the current class.

Haley being on 5 Superbowl winning teams and 10 yrs in the probowl was Irvin's case for him getting in. The Superbowls have weight in many players, fans and media's eyes.

 

[RiverDog]

I don't like calling anyone "best ever" as I don't think it fair to compare players from different eras as the game changes so much, but he was arguably the best of his day, his only real competition coming from Jonathan Ogden, of whom I heard has a similar holding stat.

If Walt doesn't get elected on the first ballot, they need to burn the place down.

Though I have no love lost for division rivals Rams, you have to include Orlando Pace into that trio. I suspect you will see Ogden, Jones and Pace all make it on their first shot at the hall. So far 1 out of 3 with expectations to have 2 out of 3 this year. Pace has always been a concern for me when it came to the HoF and Jones, because of the Superbowl win he had. Out of the 3, Jones chance at the ring went up in smoke in Detroit, but I am not going to think about that fiasco right now.

Pace probably should have retired from the Rams instead of heading to Chicago for that 1 yr. But it did spread out the 3 LTs and their run at getting into the Hall.

I agree. I had forgotten about Pace. He's definitely in that 3 man mix.

 

[BlueTalons]

 

[HawkWow]

I don't like calling anyone "best ever" as I don't think it fair to compare players from different eras as the game changes so much, but he was arguably the best of his day, his only real competition coming from Jonathan Ogden, of whom I heard has a similar holding stat.

If Walt doesn't get elected on the first ballot, they need to burn the place down.

Though I have no love lost for division rivals Rams, you have to include Orlando Pace into that trio. I suspect you will see Ogden, Jones and Pace all make it on their first shot at the hall. So far 1 out of 3 with expectations to have 2 out of 3 this year. Pace has always been a concern for me when it came to the HoF and Jones, because of the Superbowl win he had. Out of the 3, Jones chance at the ring went up in smoke in Detroit, but I am not going to think about that fiasco right now.

Pace probably should have retired from the Rams instead of heading to Chicago for that 1 yr. But it did spread out the 3 LTs and their run at getting into the Hall.

I agree. I had forgotten about Pace. He's definitely in that 3 man mix.

In the 3 spot.

I am totally biased. This I know. I feel Walt was better than Ogden, and certainly Pace, but I could be wrong about Ogden. The dude was just so massive.

Thanks for that stat, Southsound hawk. I thought it was 8 but even still, NINE holds in 13 F'N years!?! Crazy. Can you find the number of sacks he allowed? I can't bring it in, but IIRC, it was equally nutz.

 

[HawkWow]

Its a good thing only QBs are really judged on Super Bowl rings. As important as the position is, no left tackle was ever the main reason for a team winning the Super Bowl.

Sure, you can say this. But every time I read the HoF voters talk about a player getting in, the number of championships come into the discussion. It isn't the only thing but I think you are being dismissive if you think there is no weight given to this team-oriented accomplishment. Case in point was the yelling discussion Prime, Faulk and Irvin just had on players that should get in from the current class.

Haley being on 5 Superbowl winning teams and 10 yrs in the probowl was Irvin's case for him getting in. The Superbowls have weight in many players, fans and media's eyes.

What's holding Haley back is that he was basically a psychopath. Great player, but looney as hell and didn't make many friends. Irvin is well aware of this. Besides, when he finally called, he will probably go in as a 9er, despite hard feelings (I would think). OTOH, the way Irvin is clamoring for him, makes me think Haley will go in as a Cowboy. Unsure.

Tim Brown is the one getting the shaft. It's ridiculous he's not already in, despite the number of WRs they have to consider.

Easley? Better than Lott, IMO, or at least as good. But again, I am biased. Lots of bad blood between #45 and our Hawks, unsure if that may hold him back. Makes me sick. Probably my favorite player in the history of the game.

 

[Erebus]

Its a good thing only QBs are really judged on Super Bowl rings. As important as the position is, no left tackle was ever the main reason for a team winning the Super Bowl.

Sure, you can say this. But every time I read the HoF voters talk about a player getting in, the number of championships come into the discussion. It isn't the only thing but I think you are being dismissive if you think there is no weight given to this team-oriented accomplishment. Case in point was the yelling discussion Prime, Faulk and Irvin just had on players that should get in from the current class.

Haley being on 5 Superbowl winning teams and 10 yrs in the probowl was Irvin's case for him getting in. The Superbowls have weight in many players, fans and media's eyes.

It seems to me like having those rings would help someone get in, but a lack of rings shouldn't keep a great player out. He did play in the Super Bowl, so that probably helps a little.

I think a good comparison is Anthony Munoz. He never won a championship, didn't play for a media-hyped team, and made the Hall of Fame on the first ballot. I think Walt was just as good. Hopefully the voters see it that way too.

 

[OrFan]

I don't like calling anyone "best ever" as I don't think it fair to compare players from different eras as the game changes so much, but he was arguably the best of his day, his only real competition coming from Jonathan Ogden, of whom I heard has a similar holding stat.

If Walt doesn't get elected on the first ballot, they need to burn the place down.

Though I have no love lost for division rivals Rams, you have to include Orlando Pace into that trio. I suspect you will see Ogden, Jones and Pace all make it on their first shot at the hall. So far 1 out of 3 with expectations to have 2 out of 3 this year. Pace has always been a concern for me when it came to the HoF and Jones, because of the Superbowl win he had. Out of the 3, Jones chance at the ring went up in smoke in Detroit, but I am not going to think about that fiasco right now.

Pace probably should have retired from the Rams instead of heading to Chicago for that 1 yr. But it did spread out the 3 LTs and their run at getting into the Hall.

Just living proof that the Rams have never been able to keep Pace!

Walter is a shoe in. Dungy is stupid enough as is, I can't wait to see how full of himself he gets with a jacket on.

 

[HawkWow]

Great call on Munoz. If not for Montana and some nefarious activity by the league's minions, both he and Walt would have their rings.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

......Case in point was the yelling discussion Prime, Faulk and Irvin just had on players that should get in from the current class.......

Good Lord my friend, how do you watch/listen to those three? ukeface: I do share your lifelong Hawks fan trepidation on Walt's induction though. I think he will get in on the first ballot and obviously he should, but as a Hawk fan there's always that nagging doubt in the back of the mind. The fact that he got screwed out of being in NFLN's top 100 of all-time concerns me as well.

 

[drdiags]

......Case in point was the yelling discussion Prime, Faulk and Irvin just had on players that should get in from the current class.......

Good Lord my friend, how do you watch/listen to those three? ukeface: I do share your lifelong Hawks fan trepidation on Walt's induction though. I think he will get in on the first ballot and obviously he should, but as a Hawk fan there's always that nagging doubt in the back of the mind. The fact that he got screwed out of being in NFLN's top 100 of all-time concerns me as well.

Trust me. I have the set on mute most time when watching Thursday night games as well as the NFL Network All Access and post game stuff. Those guys are brutal. But ESPN/Fox and NBC are not that much better so what can you do?

Jones HoF enshrinement seems so cut and dry but yeah, that nagging angst of Seahawk-ness keeps me looking for the man behind the curtain. How Jones got left off the all-time top 100 was mind blowing. I had forgot about that fiasco.

 

[drdiags]

I think a good comparison is Anthony Munoz. He never won a championship, didn't play for a media-hyped team, and made the Hall of Fame on the first ballot. I think Walt was just as good. Hopefully the voters see it that way too.

Good call. Munoz was a beast back in the day.

 

[sc85sis]

Its a good thing only QBs are really judged on Super Bowl rings. As important as the position is, no left tackle was ever the main reason for a team winning the Super Bowl.

Sure, you can say this. But every time I read the HoF voters talk about a player getting in, the number of championships come into the discussion. It isn't the only thing but I think you are being dismissive if you think there is no weight given to this team-oriented accomplishment. Case in point was the yelling discussion Prime, Faulk and Irvin just had on players that should get in from the current class.

Haley being on 5 Superbowl winning teams and 10 yrs in the probowl was Irvin's case for him getting in. The Superbowls have weight in many players, fans and media's eyes.

What's holding Haley back is that he was basically a psychopath. Great player, but looney as hell and didn't make many friends. Irvin is well aware of this. Besides, when he finally called, he will probably go in as a 9er, despite hard feelings (I would think). OTOH, the way Irvin is clamoring for him, makes me think Haley will go in as a Cowboy. Unsure.

Tim Brown is the one getting the shaft. It's ridiculous he's not already in, despite the number of WRs they have to consider.

Easley? Better than Lott, IMO, or at least as good. But again, I am biased. Lots of bad blood between #45 and our Hawks, unsure if that may hold him back. Makes me sick. Probably my favorite player in the history of the game.

Wasn't the lawsuit thing smoothed over with the current ownership and Kenny when he was inducted into the Ring of Honor? Paul didn't own the team back when the lawsuit went down.

 

[Seahwkgal]

I think a good comparison is Anthony Munoz. He never won a championship, didn't play for a media-hyped team, and made the Hall of Fame on the first ballot. I think Walt was just as good. Hopefully the voters see it that way too.

Good call. Munoz was a beast back in the day.

Yep. I would call Jones and Munoz equals and the best two LTs that ever played the game. If Walt does not make it this year I will be SHOCKED. :shock: