Trade the farm. Who cares at this point.

[Chapow]

Besides Lazaro and Locklear. Open up trades for everyone else. Literally. They've proven they can develop pitching if they have to do it again so be it, but this starting line up desperately needs new hitters. Proven hitters who aren't at the end of their career. Hitters that won't be destroyed by the mariners hitting coaches. Either that or fire another hitting coach. However many they have. It's a fake team and every fan should speak up. People shouldn't be supporting this. Worst offense in franchise history. They purposely don't keep the hottest hitters out there. Why support what's going on? Serious question, why support this? Helloooo?

If you're watching games on TV, you're supporting "this". MLB teams generate a significant portion of their revenue through TV broadcasts and other avenues that are directly associated with those TV broadcasts. So have you quit watching games or are you also supporting "this"?

How would you suggest we "speak up"? Because I hate to break it to you, but complaining on the internet isn't productive, and it's probably extremely unlikely that anyone within the Mariners organization is even aware of it.

 

[Chapow]

People keep going to games. Even after a garbage off-season people here were saying they'd still attend games because it's fun... Until the fans get in the pocketbook of the ownership by not showing up they're just going to keep taking your money with no care for the product on the field. This ownership is wasting one of the greatest pitching staffs in the history of the team.

MLB teams still make huge profits even without fans in the stands. Yes, they make even larger profits if the stands are full, but revenue sharing and TV broadcasts guarantee that every team is making money. Even teams like the A's and Marlins that have shockingly empty stadiums on a regular basis are still making millions.

This isn't Philly or NY. We just don't have that kind of fan base. People in this region are never going to boycott going to games in large enough numbers to make any kind of difference. Several hundred, or even thousand, of the most hardcore most pissed off fans not going to games because they're mad doesn't make enough of a difference for the M's to even notice. A lot of people like going to baseball games, and a lot of those people don't even really care that much if the M's are good or not.

Saying that if only people would stop going to games things might change, is like saying if only people would stop fighting we'd have world peace. It's just never going to happen, so suggesting it like it's some kind of realistic, achievable solution is just silly and pointless.

Also, John Stanton must love the "hardcore", pissed off fans. It's not his fault, it's our fault for not being better fans.

 

[Hawkinaz]

MLB teams still make huge profits even without fans in the stands. Yes, they make even larger profits if the stands are full, but revenue sharing and TV broadcasts guarantee that every team is making money. Even teams like the A's and Marlins that have shockingly empty stadiums on a regular basis are still making millions.

This isn't Philly or NY. We just don't have that kind of fan base. People in this region are never going to boycott going to games in large enough numbers to make any kind of difference. Several hundred, or even thousand, of the most hardcore most pissed off fans not going to games because they're mad doesn't make enough of a difference for the M's to even notice. A lot of people like going to baseball games, and a lot of those people don't even really care that much if the M's are good or not.

Saying that if only people would stop going to games things might change, is like saying if only people would stop fighting we'd have world peace. It's just never going to happen, so suggesting it like it's some kind of realistic, achievable solution is just silly and pointless.

Also, John Stanton must love the "hardcore", pissed off fans. It's not his fault, it's our fault for not being better fans.

commenting on playing in large markets

They generally have tough sports media to please if you are playing well there is nothing better but if you are slumping you will be brutalized. I lived in Boston in the 80s the Boston Globe newspaper was crucifing Jim Rice who was one of the best hitters in team history he was at the end of his career I did feel sorry for him.

IMO the Seattle sports writers are pretty soft compared to other cities I have lived in. When Randy Johnson played in NY he had his problems dealing with the media his skin was too thin and let the sports writers get the better of him

 

[Chapow]

commenting on playing in large markets

They generally have tough sports media to please if you are playing well there is nothing better but if you are slumping you will be brutalized. I lived in Boston in the 80s the Boston Globe newspaper was crucifing Jim Rice who was one of the best hitters in team history he was at the end of his career I did feel sorry for him.

IMO the Seattle sports writers are pretty soft compared to other cities I have lived in. When Randy Johnson played in NY he had his problems dealing with the media his skin was too thin and let the sports writers get the better of him

It's generally a pretty big story if teams are really bad, or playing really poorly, in those types of markets (Boston, NY, Philly, etc.). It isn't a big story in Seattle if the M's are really bad or playing really poorly.

Again, it's just not that important to most people in this region. Going to a game every once in a while is fun, and hopping on the bandwagon if they're doing particularly well is also fun, but outside of the very hardcore fans, people just don't really care that much if the M's aren't very good.

 

[DJrmb]

MLB teams still make huge profits even without fans in the stands. Yes, they make even larger profits if the stands are full, but revenue sharing and TV broadcasts guarantee that every team is making money. Even teams like the A's and Marlins that have shockingly empty stadiums on a regular basis are still making millions.

This isn't Philly or NY. We just don't have that kind of fan base. People in this region are never going to boycott going to games in large enough numbers to make any kind of difference. Several hundred, or even thousand, of the most hardcore most pissed off fans not going to games because they're mad doesn't make enough of a difference for the M's to even notice. A lot of people like going to baseball games, and a lot of those people don't even really care that much if the M's are good or not.

Saying that if only people would stop going to games things might change, is like saying if only people would stop fighting we'd have world peace. It's just never going to happen, so suggesting it like it's some kind of realistic, achievable solution is just silly and pointless.

Also, John Stanton must love the "hardcore", pissed off fans. It's not his fault, it's our fault for not being better fans.

Actually, that was one of the bigger stories in the off-season that teams are not making big money on the TV side because of the whole regional sports channels failing. The Kraken already left Root sports and the Trailblazers are expected to leave as well. With that all happening that probably gives fans more even power right now then they've had in the past. I don't buy that if enough fans stopped going to games it wouldn't effect the team at all.

Now not having those types of "hardcore fans" has definitely been true in the past. However, that can change, and kind of has been a little bit I think. I've heard way more this year on the radio of people and media being willing to call out ownership. Will that translate to people not going to games? IDK, but it did for me and my family, and others I know too.

Lastly, why did Stanton come out and pledge that the team would have the resources they need for the trade deadline, and vow to support them financially? I think that's proof right there they are already somewhat concerned about their image with the fans and media.

I'm not telling anyone they can't go to games. However, if you're sitting up complaining about things, I'm saying you can do something to at least try to change things... It's your free choice though to not care, or be defeatist about it if you want to. I don't think those fans that don't care, or who think it won't work, should be looking down on fans that are at least trying to do something to help though. Why?

 

[Chapow]

Actually, that was one of the bigger stories in the off-season that teams are not making big money on the TV side because of the whole regional sports channels failing. The Kraken already left Root sports and the Trailblazers are expected to leave as well. With that all happening that probably gives fans more even power right now then they've had in the past. I don't buy that if enough fans stopped going to games it wouldn't effect the team at all.

That's not what I said. This is what I said, People in this region are never going to boycott going to games in large enough numbers to make any kind of difference. Several hundred, or even thousand, of the most hardcore most pissed off fans not going to games because they're mad doesn't make enough of a difference for the M's to even notice. A lot of people like going to baseball games, and a lot of those people don't even really care that much if the M's are good or not.

Now not having those types of "hardcore fans" has definitely been true in the past. However, that can change, and kind of has been a little bit I think. I've heard way more this year on the radio of people and media being willing to call out ownership. Will that translate to people not going to games? IDK, but it did for me and my family, and others I know too.

They had 36k in attendance tonight. On a Tuesday.

It doesn't really seem like those that have decided to stop going to games are making any difference.

Lastly, why did Stanton come out and pledge that the team would have the resources they need for the trade deadline, and vow to support them financially? I think that's proof right there they are already somewhat concerned about their image with the fans and media.

And what if, especially after saying those things, they don't make any moves that significantly improve this offense, this season, as so many of us suspect will happen? What would that tell you?

I'm not telling anyone they can't go to games. However, if you're sitting up complaining about things, I'm saying you can do something to at least try to change things... It's your free choice though to not care, or be defeatist about it if you want to.

I get what you're saying. What I'm saying is that I don't believe enough people will actually do that to make any difference.

I don't think those fans that don't care, or who think it won't work, should be looking down on fans that are at least trying to do something to help though. Why?

Wait a minute. Who's looking down on who here? The fans that like to go to a game every once in a while, or the fans that are telling those people that they're bad fans and that they are the problem?

 

[Crizilla]

If you're watching games on TV, you're supporting "this". MLB teams generate a significant portion of their revenue through TV broadcasts and other avenues that are directly associated with those TV broadcasts. So have you quit watching games or are you also supporting "this"?

How would you suggest we "speak up"? Because I hate to break it to you, but complaining on the internet isn't productive, and it's probably extremely unlikely that anyone within the Mariners organization is even aware of it.

It won't happen since Seattle fans are too passive but if fans started boo'ing, it would send a message and force a change. Happens almost everywhere else but Seattle LOL. They are purposely not playing their hottest hitters. Locklear was sent down for what? For what? Hellloooooooo. Scotty has been Scotty for his entire tenure and now Jerry has lost the plot. Dude got rid of literally the best players the past 2 years. Santana, Teo, Kelenic, Suarez, Sewald, Ford. When you desperately miss THOSE guys, you know something is really f***ed up.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

They do boo.

 

[Shane Falco]

I doubt they make any significant move. Even if they finally relented and tried, what is actually available that would be a difference maker? This lineup is not 1 bat away from anything.

This is the 3rd season of a great pitching staff. The window opened 2 and a half seasons ago and all they have done is shuffled the same type of hitters around and around hoping for lightning in a bottle.

Jerry's made it clear over that time that this is what you get, either watch it or don't. I feel for the die-hards waiting for a great team again but all the baseball has run out of my blood. I lasted through Jack Z and a long time with Jerry and it just killed it for me.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Take a look at the current winning percentage. Yup........54

What an absolute dumpster fire of a collapse this is.

 

[Chapow]

It won't happen since Seattle fans are too passive but if fans started boo'ing, it would send a message and force a change. Happens almost everywhere else but Seattle LOL. They are purposely not playing their hottest hitters. Locklear was sent down for what? For what? Hellloooooooo. Scotty has been Scotty for his entire tenure and now Jerry has lost the plot. Dude got rid of literally the best players the past 2 years. Santana, Teo, Kelenic, Suarez, Sewald, Ford. When you desperately miss THOSE guys, you know something is really f***ed up.

The booing was clearly audible during the broadcast last night. Especially when Polanco was batting.

But also, fans shouldn't go to games, but fans should also start booing at games? How does that work exactly?

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Or people can do whatever the hell the want? There is that.

 

[DJrmb]

Wait a minute. Who's looking down on who here? The fans that like to go to a game every once in a while, or the fans that are telling those people that they're bad fans and that they are the problem?

We're not going to agree on the other portions but I did want to at least address this. I don't think I have called anyone a bad fan, and that is not my goal. If I made you feel like I'm looking down on you or calling you a bad fan by not boycotting games I apologize for that. What I am trying to do is rally support for those PNW fans to try to do what we can to apply pressure on the organization. I do believe if enough fans get angry enough and continue to do things to put pressure on the organization (boycott, speak out against, boo, whatever your pleasure), that can have an effect. Whether or not that's ultimately true who knows? But I'm willing to try and put my money where my mouth is personally.

 

[hawkfan68]

We're not going to agree on the other portions but I did want to at least address this. I don't think I have called anyone a bad fan, and that is not my goal. If I made you feel like I'm looking down on you or calling you a bad fan by not boycotting games I apologize for that. What I am trying to do is rally support for those PNW fans to try to do what we can to apply pressure on the organization. I do believe if enough fans get angry enough and continue to do things to put pressure on the organization (boycott, speak out against, boo, whatever your pleasure), that can have an effect. Whether or not that's ultimately true who knows? But I'm willing to try and put my money where my mouth is personally.

It's a great thought about boycotting but I don't think they care. I don't believe it will have the impact you wish it to. Mega TV deals is what feeds the team and they now 100% own Root Sports - https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023...control-of-root-sports-northwest-network.html. I liked the fact that the Kraken dropped Root sports. Hopefully other northwest teams will do the same.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Damn, they already struck out 5 times today...........

 

[Chapow]

We're not going to agree on the other portions but I did want to at least address this. I don't think I have called anyone a bad fan, and that is not my goal. If I made you feel like I'm looking down on you or calling you a bad fan by not boycotting games I apologize for that. What I am trying to do is rally support for those PNW fans to try to do what we can to apply pressure on the organization. I do believe if enough fans get angry enough and continue to do things to put pressure on the organization (boycott, speak out against, boo, whatever your pleasure), that can have an effect. Whether or not that's ultimately true who knows? But I'm willing to try and put my money where my mouth is personally.

We're all good man, I know you weren't talking about me specifically. I also wasn't talking about you specifically, which is why I used the general term "fans" and not the specific term "you". I've just seen countless times, here and other places, some fans literally blaming other fans for the M's offense always sucking, and yes, calling them bad fans, idiots, etc. Personally, I'm not really sure if they really mean it/ believe it, or if they're just lashing out because they're pissed off. Either way, I think it's beyond asinine to be absolving John Stanton of any blame whatsoever, and especially shifting that blame on to fans. John Stanton is the problem, period. We're stuck with this bullsh!t as long as that cvnt owns the team.

 

[Crizilla]

The booing was clearly audible during the broadcast last night. Especially when Polanco was batting.

But also, fans shouldn't go to games, but fans should also start booing at games? How does that work exactly?

Go to the games just for the yummy food. Pretty sure that what people mean. Do casuals even want to watch this offense ?

 

[Chapow]

Go to the games just for the yummy food. Pretty sure that what people mean. Do casuals even want to watch this offense ?

I don't think anyone wants to watch this offense. I've seen 0-0 soccer games that were more entertaining than this offense.

 

[Bobblehead]

France, outright waived...??

Reports: Seattle Mariners place Ty France on outright waivers

The Seattle Mariners have placed struggling first baseman Ty France on outright waivers, according to multiple reports.

sports.mynorthwest.com

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

In classic "commitment to mediocrity" fashion, we've sunk back to 2nd place...

The late season push for obscurity and dashed hopes is on, and that's Mariners baseball folks!

*sigh*