top reasons we lost

[OpHawk]

Only one reason why we lost.

We scored fewer points than they did.

thanks for your contribution

 

[Seymour]

SO I have changed my mind, the biggest and main reason for this loss "THE OLINE" after relooking at a lot of plays they were god awful.

Cant run block
Cant pass block
Penalties
bad snaps(center is part of the oline)

Yeah oline main reason no doubt, I would put them 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 as the reasons we lost.

Ya, I mentioned exactly that about 4 hours ago.

 

[Tical21]

I'm quite certain the coach's tape is going to reveal quite a few open primary receivers that didn't get the ball, especially over the middle. For whatever reason, we just never got that rhythm of getting the ball out quickly today. I'm not letting our O-line off the hook, but Russell didn't do them any favors today either, and it looked like he had some legitimate chances to do so. I'm really anxious to see some breakdowns to see if we were confused by zone, or guys weren't getting open against man, but on the broadcast view, we had some opportunities for pretty easy completions.

 

[BlueBlood]

:2:

Lack of focus
Lack of motivation
No lynch
No Okung
Baldwin at 75%
Careless with the football
Missed opportunities

This is a game that we will soon forget and shouldn't be over scrutinized IMO.

Rooting for the Vikings.. However, green bay is so one dimensional. Basically they have nothing outdoor off ARod.

As much as I don't like the guy...
A-Rod hit over 600 home runs and does not play for the packers.

I think you had one too many drinky poos lahey

 

[Hawkboi]

We lost because we lost :les:

 

[SeAhAwKeR4life]

No, you all are off, we lost because they scored more points than we did, i mean duh! :34853_doh:

More seriously though, I think the run game suffered more than expected because of Okung's absence. The refs didn't lose it for us, but between them and the stupid mistake turnovers, plus losing Wilson, it's hard to overcome things like that.

 

[onanygivensunday]

Right after the game was over I jotted down:

1. Too many penalties.
2. Too many bad snaps.
3. Too many fumbles not recovered.

 

[Chrome_Seahawk]

Cristine Michael had 6 carries for a total of 6 yards.

Michael's totals were negatively skewed because of Patrick Lewis's horrible snap that Michael caught on the fly and was immediately tackled for a 6 yard loss. He also had two runs where he was met immediately for 3 yard losses due to "Ole" style blocking by the Offensive Line - other than that he ran pretty well....he seemed much better and more immediate than Bryce Brown....and I think that Michael would have been far more effective than Brown on a couple of Brown's runs that went nowhere.

 

[OrFan]

We lost because we lost :les:

Exactly. It happens.

I think that in order to play along with this thread you need to whine, bitch, complain, argue, etc... The truth is not allowed.

 

[CPHawk]

The two turnovers, and it's not close. One goes for a Rams TD, and the other cost us a td. Also the big pass that was called back due to Wilson being beyond the LOS hurt also. Those 3 plays cost us at least 13-21 points.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

#1 reason we lost is because Pete, Cable and Bevell still haven't figured out how to slow down the Ram's front 7.

Simple as that for me. Sure all the mistakes, drops, etc hurt.........but in the end our offense was dominated.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

Why..why did Wilson not get out of bounds on that play...??..He is usually very smart on plays like that..The only thing I could guess is he saw a big opening we didn't see.....And fcol lets throw the ball more instead of the many minus yard runs we did.....And the fumble recoveries...geeeezz...

That's the story. He thought he had room to run as he avoided two guys pursuing him, but was unaware of the third guy.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

#1 reason we lost is because Pete, Cable and Bevell still haven't figured out how to slow down the Ram's front 7.

Simple as that for me. Sure all the mistakes, drops, etc hurt.........but in the end our offense was dominated.

That's what bugs me. Rather than knowing the Rams weaknesses and pursuing them doggedly, as they do to us every time, we chose to 'play our game' and 'worry about us' instead. If there is any team we should be approaching differently, it's the Rams. AND, for a coaching staff that say they stress ball security over almost all else, we sure did a poor job of it. Do that properly and we win, period! Maybe they should make a habit of running wet-ball drills. :?

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

#1 reason we lost is because Pete, Cable and Bevell still haven't figured out how to slow down the Ram's front 7.

Simple as that for me. Sure all the mistakes, drops, etc hurt.........but in the end our offense was dominated.

1. This
2. This
3. This

^^^^Top 3 reasons Hawks lost this past Sunday

 

[Scottemojo]

I'm quite certain the coach's tape is going to reveal quite a few open primary receivers that didn't get the ball, especially over the middle. For whatever reason, we just never got that rhythm of getting the ball out quickly today. I'm not letting our O-line off the hook, but Russell didn't do them any favors today either, and it looked like he had some legitimate chances to do so. I'm really anxious to see some breakdowns to see if we were confused by zone, or guys weren't getting open against man, but on the broadcast view, we had some opportunities for pretty easy completions.

Just watched the all 22, and it is a study in a defense being all over formational hints. When not shooting themselves in the foot, or trying to trick the D, Seattle's O had some really cool plays. But Bailey and Lewis had enough crap play between the two of them to kill the timing of the spread offense, and STL had little enough respect for Brown and Michael to sit on a lot of routes. When we went big, with LJP on the field, it was usually a bad play, why we used that group as often as we did seeing as it brings one more DL from a very good DL group onto the field I have no idea.

Comparing the two offenses was a startling contrast in playcalling. STL almost never runs from a spread. Keenum is actually an awful spread QB at the NFL level. And STL almost never passed from a tight run formation, with the exception of the 28 yd TD where Sherm got caught looking run.
And Seattle tries so hard to be unpredictable that they create their own execution issues. Running from a spread vs that athleticism on STL is a tough gig, but the pressures we were giving up in the spread formation were inexcusable, but also apparent early on, which made some of the long developing spread formation passing calls head scratchers. And when Seattle tried to pass from more run oriented formations, STL would use the extra blockers to bring extra rushers.

STL's offensive game plan was to no screw it up too much. On a windy wet day, STL went ultra conservative and protected an inexperienced QB who was lucky to have 14 points handed to him on freebies early in the game. STL played it like going in they hoped to win a 13-9 game.

I also thought we really avoided the short middle with routes, by and large.

When you watch the all-22. pay particular attention to when LJP is on the field, and when we used one really weird formation very poorly. We would go empty shotgun, but a tight formation 4 by 1 pass catching group. It simply was ugly when we ran that group. But we went back to it, with similar results.

 

[kearly]

I'm quite certain the coach's tape is going to reveal quite a few open primary receivers that didn't get the ball, especially over the middle. For whatever reason, we just never got that rhythm of getting the ball out quickly today. I'm not letting our O-line off the hook, but Russell didn't do them any favors today either, and it looked like he had some legitimate chances to do so. I'm really anxious to see some breakdowns to see if we were confused by zone, or guys weren't getting open against man, but on the broadcast view, we had some opportunities for pretty easy completions.

Just watched the all 22, and it is a study in a defense being all over formational hints. When not shooting themselves in the foot, or trying to trick the D, Seattle's O had some really cool plays. But Bailey and Lewis had enough crap play between the two of them to kill the timing of the spread offense, and STL had little enough respect for Brown and Michael to sit on a lot of routes. When we went big, with LJP on the field, it was usually a bad play, why we used that group as often as we did seeing as it brings one more DL from a very good DL group onto the field I have no idea.

Comparing the two offenses was a startling contrast in playcalling. STL almost never runs from a spread. Keenum is actually an awful spread QB at the NFL level. And STL almost never passed from a tight run formation, with the exception of the 28 yd TD where Sherm got caught looking run.
And Seattle tries so hard to be unpredictable that they create their own execution issues. Running from a spread vs that athleticism on STL is a tough gig, but the pressures we were giving up in the spread formation were inexcusable, but also apparent early on, which made some of the long developing spread formation passing calls head scratchers. And when Seattle tried to pass from more run oriented formations, STL would use the extra blockers to bring extra rushers.

STL's offensive game plan was to no screw it up too much. On a windy wet day, STL went ultra conservative and protected an inexperienced QB who was lucky to have 14 points handed to him on freebies early in the game. STL played it like going in they hoped to win a 13-9 game.

I also thought we really avoided the short middle with routes, by and large.

When you watch the all-22. pay particular attention to when LJP is on the field, and when we used one really weird formation very poorly. We would go empty shotgun, but a tight formation 4 by 1 pass catching group. It simply was ugly when we ran that group. But we went back to it, with similar results.

Sounds like they had a preseason mentality with all the spaghetti throwing they did with formations.

 

[Anthony!]

I'm quite certain the coach's tape is going to reveal quite a few open primary receivers that didn't get the ball, especially over the middle. For whatever reason, we just never got that rhythm of getting the ball out quickly today. I'm not letting our O-line off the hook, but Russell didn't do them any favors today either, and it looked like he had some legitimate chances to do so. I'm really anxious to see some breakdowns to see if we were confused by zone, or guys weren't getting open against man, but on the broadcast view, we had some opportunities for pretty easy completions.

Just watched the all 22, and it is a study in a defense being all over formational hints. When not shooting themselves in the foot, or trying to trick the D, Seattle's O had some really cool plays. But Bailey and Lewis had enough crap play between the two of them to kill the timing of the spread offense, and STL had little enough respect for Brown and Michael to sit on a lot of routes. When we went big, with LJP on the field, it was usually a bad play, why we used that group as often as we did seeing as it brings one more DL from a very good DL group onto the field I have no idea.

Comparing the two offenses was a startling contrast in playcalling. STL almost never runs from a spread. Keenum is actually an awful spread QB at the NFL level. And STL almost never passed from a tight run formation, with the exception of the 28 yd TD where Sherm got caught looking run.
And Seattle tries so hard to be unpredictable that they create their own execution issues. Running from a spread vs that athleticism on STL is a tough gig, but the pressures we were giving up in the spread formation were inexcusable, but also apparent early on, which made some of the long developing spread formation passing calls head scratchers. And when Seattle tried to pass from more run oriented formations, STL would use the extra blockers to bring extra rushers.

STL's offensive game plan was to no screw it up too much. On a windy wet day, STL went ultra conservative and protected an inexperienced QB who was lucky to have 14 points handed to him on freebies early in the game. STL played it like going in they hoped to win a 13-9 game.

I also thought we really avoided the short middle with routes, by and large.

When you watch the all-22. pay particular attention to when LJP is on the field, and when we used one really weird formation very poorly. We would go empty shotgun, but a tight formation 4 by 1 pass catching group. It simply was ugly when we ran that group. But we went back to it, with similar results.

Hmm sounds like oline and scheme issues what a surprise. According to Huard and Millan there were not guys open all over the place, until well after the play broke down. Stl came in with a great defensive game plan and we never adjusted or could not adjust due to the oline.

 

[mrt144]

I'm quite certain the coach's tape is going to reveal quite a few open primary receivers that didn't get the ball, especially over the middle. For whatever reason, we just never got that rhythm of getting the ball out quickly today. I'm not letting our O-line off the hook, but Russell didn't do them any favors today either, and it looked like he had some legitimate chances to do so. I'm really anxious to see some breakdowns to see if we were confused by zone, or guys weren't getting open against man, but on the broadcast view, we had some opportunities for pretty easy completions.

Just watched the all 22, and it is a study in a defense being all over formational hints. When not shooting themselves in the foot, or trying to trick the D, Seattle's O had some really cool plays. But Bailey and Lewis had enough crap play between the two of them to kill the timing of the spread offense, and STL had little enough respect for Brown and Michael to sit on a lot of routes. When we went big, with LJP on the field, it was usually a bad play, why we used that group as often as we did seeing as it brings one more DL from a very good DL group onto the field I have no idea.

Comparing the two offenses was a startling contrast in playcalling. STL almost never runs from a spread. Keenum is actually an awful spread QB at the NFL level. And STL almost never passed from a tight run formation, with the exception of the 28 yd TD where Sherm got caught looking run.
And Seattle tries so hard to be unpredictable that they create their own execution issues. Running from a spread vs that athleticism on STL is a tough gig, but the pressures we were giving up in the spread formation were inexcusable, but also apparent early on, which made some of the long developing spread formation passing calls head scratchers. And when Seattle tried to pass from more run oriented formations, STL would use the extra blockers to bring extra rushers.

STL's offensive game plan was to no screw it up too much. On a windy wet day, STL went ultra conservative and protected an inexperienced QB who was lucky to have 14 points handed to him on freebies early in the game. STL played it like going in they hoped to win a 13-9 game.

I also thought we really avoided the short middle with routes, by and large.

When you watch the all-22. pay particular attention to when LJP is on the field, and when we used one really weird formation very poorly. We would go empty shotgun, but a tight formation 4 by 1 pass catching group. It simply was ugly when we ran that group. But we went back to it, with similar results.

Thanks for this - matches a lot of what I thought I was seeing especially in regards to how little was given over the middle a place where we've had success in the last few with slants and drags.

 

[Tical21]

I'm quite certain the coach's tape is going to reveal quite a few open primary receivers that didn't get the ball, especially over the middle. For whatever reason, we just never got that rhythm of getting the ball out quickly today. I'm not letting our O-line off the hook, but Russell didn't do them any favors today either, and it looked like he had some legitimate chances to do so. I'm really anxious to see some breakdowns to see if we were confused by zone, or guys weren't getting open against man, but on the broadcast view, we had some opportunities for pretty easy completions.

Just watched the all 22, and it is a study in a defense being all over formational hints. When not shooting themselves in the foot, or trying to trick the D, Seattle's O had some really cool plays. But Bailey and Lewis had enough crap play between the two of them to kill the timing of the spread offense, and STL had little enough respect for Brown and Michael to sit on a lot of routes. When we went big, with LJP on the field, it was usually a bad play, why we used that group as often as we did seeing as it brings one more DL from a very good DL group onto the field I have no idea.

Comparing the two offenses was a startling contrast in playcalling. STL almost never runs from a spread. Keenum is actually an awful spread QB at the NFL level. And STL almost never passed from a tight run formation, with the exception of the 28 yd TD where Sherm got caught looking run.
And Seattle tries so hard to be unpredictable that they create their own execution issues. Running from a spread vs that athleticism on STL is a tough gig, but the pressures we were giving up in the spread formation were inexcusable, but also apparent early on, which made some of the long developing spread formation passing calls head scratchers. And when Seattle tried to pass from more run oriented formations, STL would use the extra blockers to bring extra rushers.

STL's offensive game plan was to no screw it up too much. On a windy wet day, STL went ultra conservative and protected an inexperienced QB who was lucky to have 14 points handed to him on freebies early in the game. STL played it like going in they hoped to win a 13-9 game.

I also thought we really avoided the short middle with routes, by and large.

When you watch the all-22. pay particular attention to when LJP is on the field, and when we used one really weird formation very poorly. We would go empty shotgun, but a tight formation 4 by 1 pass catching group. It simply was ugly when we ran that group. But we went back to it, with similar results.

Hmm sounds like oline and scheme issues what a surprise. According to Huard and Millan there were not guys open all over the place, until well after the play broke down. Stl came in with a great defensive game plan and we never adjusted or could not adjust due to the oline.

You and I must have listened to very different Hugh Millen segments.

You charted the plays right, what do your charts tell you?

 

[Anthony!]

I'm quite certain the coach's tape is going to reveal quite a few open primary receivers that didn't get the ball, especially over the middle. For whatever reason, we just never got that rhythm of getting the ball out quickly today. I'm not letting our O-line off the hook, but Russell didn't do them any favors today either, and it looked like he had some legitimate chances to do so. I'm really anxious to see some breakdowns to see if we were confused by zone, or guys weren't getting open against man, but on the broadcast view, we had some opportunities for pretty easy completions.

Just watched the all 22, and it is a study in a defense being all over formational hints. When not shooting themselves in the foot, or trying to trick the D, Seattle's O had some really cool plays. But Bailey and Lewis had enough crap play between the two of them to kill the timing of the spread offense, and STL had little enough respect for Brown and Michael to sit on a lot of routes. When we went big, with LJP on the field, it was usually a bad play, why we used that group as often as we did seeing as it brings one more DL from a very good DL group onto the field I have no idea.

Comparing the two offenses was a startling contrast in playcalling. STL almost never runs from a spread. Keenum is actually an awful spread QB at the NFL level. And STL almost never passed from a tight run formation, with the exception of the 28 yd TD where Sherm got caught looking run.
And Seattle tries so hard to be unpredictable that they create their own execution issues. Running from a spread vs that athleticism on STL is a tough gig, but the pressures we were giving up in the spread formation were inexcusable, but also apparent early on, which made some of the long developing spread formation passing calls head scratchers. And when Seattle tried to pass from more run oriented formations, STL would use the extra blockers to bring extra rushers.

STL's offensive game plan was to no screw it up too much. On a windy wet day, STL went ultra conservative and protected an inexperienced QB who was lucky to have 14 points handed to him on freebies early in the game. STL played it like going in they hoped to win a 13-9 game.

I also thought we really avoided the short middle with routes, by and large.

When you watch the all-22. pay particular attention to when LJP is on the field, and when we used one really weird formation very poorly. We would go empty shotgun, but a tight formation 4 by 1 pass catching group. It simply was ugly when we ran that group. But we went back to it, with similar results.

Hmm sounds like oline and scheme issues what a surprise. According to Huard and Millan there were not guys open all over the place, until well after the play broke down. Stl came in with a great defensive game plan and we never adjusted or could not adjust due to the oline.

You and I must have listened to very different Hugh Millen segments.

You charted the plays right, what do your charts tell you?

What I had matched what millan and guard said no one was open until after the fact.