The safety

[Natethegreat]

Lol. Forward progress will always be argued. It will never end because it is so subjective.
The nfl gives a rule, we can see the rule, but the nfl tells the ref how to inforce it and we are not privileged to that info.

Cymatica and others have made some really good points.

Where and how was Strouds momentum stopped before he entered the end zone?

Answer, it wasn't.
Your simply wrong on this and refuse to admit it.
Even the rules expert on tv said the same thing. Your just being deliberately obtuse at this point.

 

[Appyhawk]

We won the game. End of that story. But for Houston it was a sad ending so I am feeling very sympathetic for them this week and will be rooting hard for them to get some blessed relief. Rock on Houston and kick ass this Sunday!

 

[Trackhawk]

Stroud was still trying to escape backwards when his knee touched the ground, in the end zone.

He wasn’t stopped, nor was his momentum altered, until that point.

It’s a safety.

 

[Followthelegion]

For what it’s worth I think reasonable discussion and interpretation about the rules is healthy… and if people discuss it in the right way it’s a good thing.

As already stated earlier I switched my own views on review of the rule book. BUT the reason I originally thought he gets given the half yard line is the point Sprfunk is pointing out (and I don’t think anyone has answered) is how a sack is ruled on a Qb in his drop back who is it further back. In my observations; the QB always gets given the spot the sack starts and not where he is down. Which is peculiar because it appears there is no forward progress to award. Unless there is a rule nuance I’m not aware of

 

[Natethegreat]

For what it’s worth I think reasonable discussion and interpretation about the rules is healthy… and if people discuss it in the right way it’s a good thing.

As already stated earlier I switched my own views on review of the rule book. BUT the reason I originally thought he gets given the half yard line is the point Sprfunk is pointing out (and I don’t think anyone has answered) is how a sack is ruled on a Qb in his drop back who is it further back. In my observations; the QB always gets given the spot the sack starts and not where he is down. Which is peculiar because it appears there is no forward progress to award. Unless there is a rule nuance I’m not aware of

Your correct, when a QB is standing in the pocket and driven back by a tackle the ball is spotted where the QB was hit not where the defender drives him back.
However this is not what happened in the play being discussed. Stroud is running backwards to escape a sack and is tackled in the end zone. Its no different than when a player gets contacted before he enters the end zone to score but isn't ruled down until a knee etc touch the ground, his momentum is stopped and the play is ruled dead, or the ball crosses the goal line.

This isn't really that hard to figure out. He was running backwards, his momentum was never stopped(I.E. there is no reason to call the play dead), the ball crossed the end zone and his knee touched down ending the play. Its a safety.

 

[Seak]

Where is Dean blandino here!?

 

[Seak]

Actually, after reading the comments, we might need Big Herb Yamasaki in here haha

 

[Sprfunk]

Where and how was Strouds momentum stopped before he entered the end zone?

Answer, it wasn't.
Your simply wrong on this and refuse to admit it.
Even the rules expert on tv said the same thing. Your just being deliberately obtuse at this point.

Chill. Its a friendly discussion.

I think Im right in my argument, I've laid it out there. Take it or leave it. Im not forcing anyone to agree with me.

 

[glenwo2]

Chill. Its a friendly discussion.

I think Im right in my argument, I've laid it out there. Take it or leave it. Im not forcing anyone to agree with me.

Well I'm forcing you to agree with me.

You will agree with me :

 

[cymatica]

Chill. Its a friendly discussion.

I think Im right in my argument, I've laid it out there. Take it or leave it. Im not forcing anyone to agree with me.

The discussion was over when the official rules were quoted proving it was a safety by definition.

 

[Followthelegion]

Your correct, when a QB is standing in the pocket and driven back by a tackle the ball is spotted where the QB was hit not where the defender drives him back.
However this is not what happened in the play being discussed. Stroud is running backwards to escape a sack and is tackled in the end zone. Its no different than when a player gets contacted before he enters the end zone to score but isn't ruled down until a knee etc touch the ground, his momentum is stopped and the play is ruled dead, or the ball crosses the goal line.

This isn't really that hard to figure out. He was running backwards, his momentum was never stopped(I.E. there is no reason to call the play dead), the ball crossed the end zone and his knee touched down ending the play. Its a safety.

I’m not arguing the safety!!!

I’m saying why when a QB is RETREATING in his drop back and sacked, being driven further back is the spot (from my observations of many many games) the point of the hit and NOT where the ball is when he is down?

I’ve already agreed with the Stroud situation. Why don’t we see this applied consistently with above situations was my question? Even when the QB is stationary there is no forward momentum to award forward progress…I’m genuinely curious as it doesn’t appear to be officiated consistently