The safety

[cymatica]

Can someone explain how that wasn't a safety? The refs claim Shroud was contacted beyond the goal line therefore his forward progress was stopped but he was running backwards not forward. Does forward progress exist when a player is running backwards?

 

[Hollandhawk]

Can someone explain how that wasn't a safety? The refs claim Shroud was contacted beyond the goal line therefore his forward progress was stopped but he was running backwards not forward. Does forward progress exist when a player is running backwards?

It does not.

 

[jammerhawk]

That whole situation was a BS call by the zebras

 

[James in PA]

Those refs were such ass hats yesterday. I remember one run with K9, the pile was still moving and they blew the whistle prematurely. Should have had 5 more yards. So whistle happy. The only cool one of the bunch was the guy shielding JSN on the bench.

 

[keasley45]

Seemed to me like the NFL trying to keep games competitive for ratings. If we get the safety and the ball at that point, it’s a slaughter. Great for fans, terrible for viewership. Although i could be wrong…

Reminds me of a game during my highschool playing days the year we went undefeated . We were beating teams so bad, the refs would constantly cut them breaks. After one play that went for no gain for an opponent (we were winning by some absurd amount), their center kicked the ball 5 yards upfield from where the play was whistled dead. The ref picks the ball up and re-spots it where it stopped rolling. We complained but the ref says - ‘do you really think it’s going to make a difference?’, blows his whistle and winds the clock.

But that was a high school game. This is the NFL and nonsense calls happen far too often, for the sake of ‘competition’.

 

[Jerhawk]

I have no explanation because it was a lousy call.

The only thing that I can think of, which I’ve seen happen in the past, is that if our defender made contact with Stroud before the ball he was waving around crossed into the end zone, then that’s essentially his forward progress, from the point he was initially touched.

 

[Frank12]

I'm not a rules expert, but I know bullsquirt when I see it...

 

[jammerhawk]

Those refs were such ass hats yesterday. I remember one run with K9, the pile was still moving and they blew the whistle prematurely. Should have had 5 more yards. So whistle happy. The only cool one of the bunch was the guy shielding JSN on the bench.

Still there should have been another penalty called on the extra Houston player who was challenging and had shoved JSN.

 

[warden]

Contact was first made with Shroud on the half yard line so that is what they called. Yeah it should have been called differently but I am not going to get to upset about this one.

 

[Sprfunk]

He was contacted before the endzone, and thats the spot of forward progress. Running backwards does not matter, its the point of contact. Other than that players could pick a player up who is running back and carry him to the endzone.
His knee hitting the end zone changed nothing.

 

[glenwo2]

I'm not a rules expert, but I know bullsquirt when I see it...

 

[glenwo2]

Still there should have been another penalty called on the extra Houston player who was challenging and had shoved JSN.

From the sideline angle, I thought JSN got punched.

 

[HagFaithful]

I counted 2 safeties overturned for our Defense.

 

[MORGULON]

Can someone explain how that wasn't a safety? The refs claim Shroud was contacted beyond the goal line therefore his forward progress was stopped but he was running backwards not forward. Does forward progress exist when a player is running backwards?

Yeah that didn't seem right.

 

[Exittium]

I counted 2 safeties overturned for our Defense.

Yes they actually took away two safeties we got

 

[IndyHawk]

I saw Stroud down himself in the endzone - No way that isn't a safety.

 

[Hawknight]

From the sideline angle, I thought JSN got punched.

Didn't his helmet get knocked off .at least call unsportsmanlike conduct

 

[hawks85]

Seemed to me like the NFL trying to keep games competitive for ratings. If we get the safety and the ball at that point, it’s a slaughter. Great for fans, terrible for viewership. Although i could be wrong…

Reminds me of a game during my highschool playing days the year we went undefeated . We were beating teams so bad, the refs would constantly cut them breaks. After one play that went for no gain for an opponent (we were winning by some absurd amount), their center kicked the ball 5 yards upfield from where the play was whistled dead. The ref picks the ball up and re-spots it where it stopped rolling. We complained but the ref says - ‘do you really think it’s going to make a difference?’, blows his whistle and winds the clock.

But that was a high school game. This is the NFL and nonsense calls happen far too often, for the sake of ‘competition’.

Yup, I got into it with a few people about the game. They telling me Seahawks aren't winning dominantly. I said did you watch the game or sports in general. The refs are purposely calling stupid made up penalties to keep the game watchable. You're right Keasley, adding the 2points for the safety and if Kupp doesn't throw that pick Seahawks are now blowing them out. Instead of 14-6 at the half you're looking at a 23-0 halftime lead. I don't care what people say about that game. Seahawks were dominating the whole thing and should have won by way more, but whatever, I'll take the W.

 

[HagFaithful]

Yup, I got into it with a few people about the game. They telling me Seahawks aren't winning dominantly. I said did you watch the game or sports in general. The refs are purposely calling stupid made up penalties to keep the game watchable. You're right Keasley, adding the 2points for the safety and if Kupp doesn't throw that pick Seahawks are now blowing them out. Instead of 14-6 at the half you're looking at a 23-0 halftime lead. I don't care what people say about that game. Seahawks were dominating the whole thing and should have won by way more, but whatever, I'll take the W.

Agreed. After the Kupp interception and Darnold fumble in the end zone, our offense basically kept the Texans in this game. The defense came up huge time and again. They survived a few spikes in momentum and won that game for us.

My $.02

 

[Followthelegion]

Afraid I see this one differently from the rest of you… forward progress is given as the most forward point reached by a ball carrier from when contact is initiated through to the player being down / play being blown dead. This was at the half yard line, the fact he is running backwards is absolutely irrelevant.
So no safety is the correct call.

On the second one; no safety would also appear correct BUT we had no appropriate television close up view to determine a) if Drake crossed the plane for a TD (it didn’t look like he did) before he fumbled or b) if the ball was knocked out before Drake gained possession (this was close but it looked like a clean pick up and he took 2 steps). If b) was ruled then it would have been a safety. Annoyingly, this also felt like the correct call.

So yeah I’m normally leading the crusade against incompetent refs but on this one felt like the safety calls were correct. A couple of holding calls on the other hand I didn’t see an awful lot on replays shown.