The role for DK in 2025

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DK gets unsportsmanlike penalties: he's a selfish hothead

DK stops getting unsportsmanlike penalties: he's checked out and lost his passion for the game

Not sure what he's supposed to do. He's still out there jawing with opposing corners, he's just learned enough to stop escalating. He's also still out there doing the small things and celebrating his teammates' accomplishments.
 

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At least in my case, I can honestly say that I don't "hate" the man. IMO that's the most misused term in the English language. To me, to 'hate' someone means to wish that they were dead, and there's not many people on this planet that I can say that about, and certainly not a law-abiding football player of whom I've never met.

I don't think there's much doubt that Metcalf has been a disappointment. He is supposed to be our #1 receiver, but he hasn't produced, especially over the 2nd half of our season when we're in a playoff run. Then add in the things like his poor route running that was directly related to that last pick in a game that we had to have in order to control our own destiny and one can fully understand why many of us are so down on him. These aren't just random fans who are complaining about him. They are people of whom we both know are very good football minds, so there has to a logical reason for their disapproval other than some purely emotional response like "hate".
Honestly - I just actually wish that he had turned into what he has the capability to be.....
 

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Yeah, I don't get the body language criticism. At least I haven't seen it. Just because a guy isn't getting penalties or blowing up after the play doesn't mean he has bad body language.
It was one route he seemed to cut short. Who knows why but assuming it's because he doesn't care or is checked out is assuming quite a bit.
 

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Rat said it perfectly. People whined and moaned when he got too many penalties. Now they are whining and moaning when he doesn't get a bunch of penalties, and that somehow means he "checked out"

Damn, tough crowd.

(Lighten up, I'm joking about whining and moaning)
 

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My biggest knock on DK is he doesn't catch the ball with his hands. He's really only a body-catcher... which results in him not being able to high-point a catch... because to do so, he would need to catch the ball with his hands... which he doesn't trust.

It also affects his, and Geno's, ability to be successful on slants. Being principally a body-catcher, Geno has to throw slants to DK targeting his body... and that limits Geno's ability to lead him away from the (typically) trailing defender.

If I were DK's WR coach, he would spend two hours a day with the jugs machine... catching at least 1000 balls a day... only using his hands.

And being only a body-catcher, DKs catch radius is significantly less than if he were catching balls with his hands. He's 6'3" and has the catch radius of someone who is 5'6".

If anyone sees it differently, pls speak up.
 
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I think that DK Metcalf is playing injured right now, something is off about him. For the record, I'm of the opinion that he's not worth what he's being paid.

Unless you can get a huge haul for him, it's probably not worth offloading Metcalf, considering it would make our WR corps pretty lackluster. Lockett is 100 percent going to be gone given his performance and cap hit next year. One of the reasons JSN can do what he does is the attention teams have to put on Metcalf. Trading him would put another big hole in our roster that is already having issues scoring points.
I also think this.

DK has ran some pretty shitty routes this season.

Granted, DK, when completely “healthy” is no route runner “extraordinaire” he would still run them “harder” than how he has shown this season.

I also think he is hurt.

Moving into next season, I think DK’s time is largely coming to an end after his contract is up. I’d be surprised if DK is traded.

Lockett will be gone soon and then DK (just my opinion) will also be gone after his contract is up.
 

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Look guys, I'm going to give you my opinion on DK in a second, but look at this real quick:



(It's set to the 10:30 mark where the play actually happens)
In this video (I believe was his rookie year) he high-pointed the ball and caught it with his hands. Now, I'm not sure what happened since then but he clearly shows he knows how to do both at the same time in this video.

However, is he worth 18 million in 2025? Absolutely Not.

I believe (and other teams will feel this way as well) that we could get a 1st rounder for him. I say we cut our losses and get what we can for him now.
 

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Yeah, I don't get the body language criticism. At least I haven't seen it. Just because a guy isn't getting penalties or blowing up after the play doesn't mean he has bad body language.
It was one route he seemed to cut short. Who knows why but assuming it's because he doesn't care or is checked out is assuming quite a bit.
To be honest, I haven't noticed the bad body language out of Metcalf, either. Subdued, maybe, but I wouldn't call it body language.

But it's been more than one route that he's run sloppy this season. One that comes to mind is the first Niners game, halfway through the 4th quarter and trailing by 6 when Geno threw a pick due to Metcalf's sloppy route running. That one gave the Niners the ball on our own 15 that they converted into a TD and a 12-point lead that essentially put the game on ice. You probably remember it because Geno went to the sidelines and spiked his tablet computer.
 

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You'll miss him when he's gone. Just watch.......
Then again, all this talk kind of just makes me want him to stay longer. Just for the pure gold that comes with it in comments :)

For the record, I'm half teasing, just having some fun ✌️
 
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DK gets unsportsmanlike penalties: he's a selfish hothead

DK stops getting unsportsmanlike penalties: he's checked out and lost his passion for the game

Not sure what he's supposed to do. He's still out there jawing with opposing corners, he's just learned enough to stop escalating. He's also still out there doing the small things and celebrating his teammates' accomplishments.

The checked out and not being into the game has zero to do with his unsportsmanlike penalties. The fact that they have decreased has no bearing on how engaged (or not) he is. The penalties were simply one form of evidence to show how distracted and disengaged he becane in games. He got his temper under control, but the root of the issue is still there - thr fact is he has played the position with a lack of precision that points to lack of focus, lack of ability, lack of consistency and / or a level of disinterest.

The INT on the soft route he ran against the 9ers in the first game against them this year - 100% poor route.
He had a similar play against Cincy last year in a bad loss at home.
The INT against Minny... same deal. Rounded off route putting him somewhere other than where he was supposed to be.

Maybe he isnt lacking anything and he just became accustomed to playing pitch and catch with Russ, who rarely if ever threw timing routes and rather ALWAYS waited to see where a WR was going before he let the ball fly. I can entiey see how a wr who got used to never getting the ball on time and in the designed progression of a route could be caught off guard by throws that go to where he is supposed to be rather than where he himself decides to go.

Then again, maybe the fact that he can outrun and outmuscle defenders (and that he has grown accustomed to it) has made him less capable than say JSN or Tyler at reading coverage and on a choice route, actually seeing things the way the QB does.

Either way, whatever it is, the dude is making errors he shouldnt.
 

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DK gets unsportsmanlike penalties: he's a selfish hothead

DK stops getting unsportsmanlike penalties: he's checked out and lost his passion for the game

Not sure what he's supposed to do. He's still out there jawing with opposing corners, he's just learned enough to stop escalating. He's also still out there doing the small things and celebrating his teammates' accomplishments.
What's the excuse for rounding off routes and letting defenders undercut him, like that God awful route that ended the Vikings game?

The penalties were simply one form of evidence to show how distracted and disengaged he becane in games. He got his temper under control, but the root of the issue is still there - thr fact is he has played the position with a lack of precision that points to lack of focus, lack of ability, lack of consistency and / or a level of disinterest.
This
 

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The checked out and not being into the game has zero to do with his unsportsmanlike penalties. The fact that they have decreased has no bearing on how engaged (or not) he is. The penalties were simply one form of evidence to show how distracted and disengaged he becane in games. He got his temper under control, but the root of the issue is still there - thr fact is he has played the position with a lack of precision that points to lack of focus, lack of ability, lack of consistency and / or a level of disinterest.

The INT on the soft route he ran against the 9ers in the first game against them this year - 100% poor route.
He had a similar play against Cincy last year in a bad loss at home.
The INT against Minny... same deal. Rounded off route putting him somewhere other than where he was supposed to be.

Maybe he isnt lacking anything and he just became accustomed to playing pitch and catch with Russ, who rarely if ever threw timing routes and rather ALWAYS waited to see where a WR was going before he let the ball fly. I can entiey see how a wr who got used to never getting the ball on time and in the designed progression of a route could be caught off guard by throws that go to where he is supposed to be rather than where he himself decides to go.

Then again, maybe the fact that he can outrun and outmuscle defenders (and that he has grown accustomed to it) has made him less capable than say JSN or Tyler at reading coverage and on a choice route, actually seeing things the way the QB does.

Either way, whatever it is, the dude is making errors he shouldnt.
Geno has been our starting QB for nearly three straight seasons, so they should be pretty used to each other by now. I don't think we can blame Metcalf's sloppy route running on his being used to the previous quarterback.

But your last point is spot on. Whether Metcalf has checked out and doesn't give a rip or if he's playing his guts out on every snap as if his life depended on it, the undeniable fact is that he isn't producing and has made mistakes that has cost us games.
 

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I don't think there is any way anyone gives up a 1st for him. If you aren't going to re-sign him then you trade him at the end of the season. Is his production down because of injuries? I'm glad he's cleaned up the stupid penalties. I don't think he's checked out. I think he is who he is, which is a 2nd tier receiver. I'm looking at this like moneyball. Can I get the same production out of a cheaper receiver?
 

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