The Hawkstorian's All-Time Numeric Roster

[Kennedyin92]

So Hawkstorian, that begs the question...Who are your Top-5 All Time Seahawks?

 

[Hawkstorian]

Largent, Jones, Robinson, Green, Alexander

I have reservations about the careers of Easley and Kennedy, so I tend to grade them a little lower. Kennedy probably should be on there but I like to keep it this way. He would be 6. Easley's career was very short and even shorter when you consider how banged up he was. He really only had about 3 good years.

Eugene Robinson was just a great all-around safety and the leader of the defense for years, and he gets no credit except from me. Obviously Earl is better and will take his spot soon, but I'm not ready to give it up yet.

Krieg & Hasselbeck I can't really decide where to rank them so I don't. Both top-10.

No current players although it is just a matter of time. Earl will be the first to crack the list, probably very soon. Others could soon follow. Marshawn may not have enough years to get there, although it seems like we should have a separate list for post-season, and he would be at or near the top.

It's subjective, folks. Comparing across generations is usually impossible so no need to get into fights about it.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

Green & Red, not a bad 1 & 2 at #79.

Agree with you about Jacob. He was kind of like the Easley of the D Line. Plus I think he came to my school when I was in 3rd grade which was awesome. Will probably never be recognized nationally as being "great" but for those of us who watched him play regularly, we know.

 

[Hawkstorian]

If you want to know my "reservations" on Cortez--

In 1992 he was just about the best I ever saw, and I never thought the rest of his career lived up to that. He was always very good and sometimes still great, but I never felt he was dominant ... and after about '95 or so he really slowed down in my opinion. Not to say he was ever a bad player or didn't deserve most of his accolades, but damn.... go back and look and 1992 and he was never close to that player again and I never understood why.

Frankly, I'm ambivalent about his HOF credentials, but people much smarter than me feel otherwise and I know I'm on the losing end of this discussion so I'm not in any way going to try to convince anyone that Eugene had a better career than Cortez. I know I'm one in a million who believes that and I've been at peace with it for some time.

 

[Kennedyin92]

I loved watching Eugene Robinson. Frankly, I think his reputation suffered greatly because of the prostitution arrest. I actually loved some of our secondary players back then with Robinson, Patrick Hunter, Robert Blackmon...

 

[Zebulon Dak]

I loved watching Eugene Robinson. Frankly, I think his reputation suffered greatly because of the prostitution arrest. I actually loved some of our secondary players back then with Robinson, Patrick Hunter, Robert Blackmon...

Melvin Jenkins was my first favorite player. I have no recollection of whether he was actually any good or not haha. But I loved those old secondaries. Nesby Glasgow, Dwayne Harper too. Those names always stick out and remind me of the Seahawks team I fell in love with.

 

[oldhawkfan]

I met Jacob Green once in Spokane that was work related. He was still in his playing days. I was mid 20's and a little star struck. I think another interesting coincidence with Jacob and Big Red is that Jacobs opposite DE mate was Jeff Bryant. So Big Red shares the same position and number of his father in law and same last name as Jacobs line mate. I still believe that Green, Nash and Bryant was the best d-line in Seahawks history.

 

[Seahawk Sailor]

If you want to know my "reservations" on Cortez--

In 1992 he was just about the best I ever saw, and I never thought the rest of his career lived up to that. He was always very good and sometimes still great, but I never felt he was dominant ... and after about '95 or so he really slowed down in my opinion. Not to say he was ever a bad player or didn't deserve most of his accolades, but damn.... go back and look and 1992 and he was never close to that player again and I never understood why.

Frankly, I'm ambivalent about his HOF credentials, but people much smarter than me feel otherwise and I know I'm on the losing end of this discussion so I'm not in any way going to try to convince anyone that Eugene had a better career than Cortez. I know I'm one in a million who believes that and I've been at peace with it for some time.

So do you think Jacob Green is a Hall of Fame player, then? Haven't seen him much in the discussion, but an all-time sack leader certainly deserves at least a perfunctory look, no?

 

[IndyHawk]

Robinson is one of my favorite Hawks too..He was consistent every year..I agree with Hawkstorian that Cortez was not..

 

[ChiefHawk]

Jacob Green has been and always will be one of my favorite Hawks. I don't think he has been recognized sufficiently for his greatness.

When Jacob retired he was third place on the NFL sack list - with only Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor ahead of him - and they didn't even officially record sack for his first three years.

He will always be my #1 pick for a Seahawks DE. To say he was 'disruptive' to the opposing offense is a massive understatement.

I've used Jacob Green against Walter Jones as an example of a unstoppable force against an unmovable object. Good thing it never happened in real life, because the laws of physics demand we would have all been destroyed in what could only have been called "The Bigger Bang" if they met across from each other on the field.


Eugene Robinson is also undersung, I think many don't give Eugene a fair shake because he left in free agency. The day he left is the day I hated free agency....

 

[Kennedyin92]

Eugene Robinson is also undersung, I think many don't give Eugene a fair shake because he left in free agency. The day he left is the day I hated free agency....[/quote]

I am still not a fan of free agency

 

[Hawkstorian]

#78

First	Last	College	Pos	Years	Games	Starts
Bob	Newton	Nebraska	G	1976-1981	82	66
David	Graham	Morehouse	DE	1982	3	0
Bob	Cryder	Alabama	T	1984-1986	34	27
Doug	Hollie	Southern Methodist	DE	1988	3	0
Eric	Hayes	Florida State	DT	1990-1991	21	3
Mike	Keim	Brigham Young	T	1992-1995	27	0
Patrick	Riley	Miami	DT	1996	0	0
Antonio	Cochran	Georgia	DE	1999-2004	84	32
Robert	Pollard	Texas Christian	DE	2005-2006	1	0
Kyle	Williams	Southern Cal	T	2007-2009	6	3
Tyler	Polumbus	Colorado	T	2010-2011	20	9
Allen	Barbre	Missouri Southern	T	2010-2012	6	0
Alvin	Bailey	Arkansas	T	2013	17	0

Despite 39 "expansion draft" picks and 25 rookie draft picks, the Seahawks spent the week prior to the regular season scanning the waiver wire. Among the players added then was Bob Newton, a veteran guard who had been cut by the Bears. He was sometimes referred to as "Fig" presumably because Strawberry Newtons hadn't been invented yet.

I have to admit my recollection of the early Seahawk teams is a bit sketchy and I certainly wasn't old enough to form much of an opinion as to which lineman was very good, or necessarily better than others. Newton didn't start regularly until 1978 but he did play 6 seasons in Seattle and had a respectable 11 year NFL career.

Antonio Cochran worked his into the defensive line rotation and was even a starter for a while, but his career seemed to fade once he got his new contract.

Tyler Polumbus will always have a place in our hearts as the guy who ran down the field next to Marshawn Lynch during the Beastquake run. Polumbus actually beat Lynch to the endzone!

The most current #78 is Alvin Bailey, who turned into the secret weapon in the playoffs as the Seahawks used him frequently as a 6th offensive lineman in running downs. Even though he was undrafted he looks the part to me. Frankly, I'm probably not better at judging linemen now than I was in the '70s. That's why I rely on you guys for more lucid analysis.

My #78 MVP goes to Newton, but if you have better memories of Cochran than I do I won't disagree with you.

 

[JMR]

78 was pretty rough.

77 will be easy though.

 

[Hawkstorian]

Yeah not every number is going to be a thing of beauty.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

I can't even think of Tyler Polumbus without hearing Mike Mayock's voice.

 

[IndyHawk]

Like Hawkstorian- 76 is fuzzy with me,I was just a little boy..I remember the Seattle Pirates in the parade for the Hawks 1st season better than the players they had..I remember Newton after 76 when I understood football better..Newton gets my vote here..Those Pirates too that scared the crap out of me

 

[MidwestHawker]

Just spent my lunch break (and probably some overrun) reading this thread up to now. Great stuff Hawkstorian, really enjoying it.

 

[Hawkstorian]

#77

First	Last	College	Pos	Years	Games	Starts
Richard	Harris	Grambling	DE/DT	1976-1977	28	24
Bill	Gregory	Wisconsin	DT	1978-1980	47	43
Jeff	Bryant	Clemson	DE	1982-1993	182	174
Matt	Joyce	Richmond	G	1995	16	13
Darrick	Graham	Appalachian State	G	1996-1997	25	25
Floyd	Womack	Mississippi State	T	2001-2008	99	49
Brandon	Frye	Virginia Tech	T	2009	4	3
Damion	McIntosh	Kansas State	T	2009	10	2
Stacy	Andrews	Mississippi	T	2010	15	12
Jarriel	King	South Carolina	T	2011	1	0
James	Carpenter	Alabama	T/G	2011-2013	34	28

Bob Newton, uh I mean Richard Harris was claimed off waivers from Chicago just prior to the 1976 and plugged right into the starting lineup. Harris was a former #1 pick (5th overall) by Philadelphia in 1971. He played every game the first two seasons and was probably our best d-lineman those years.

Harris' job was then taken by another veteran, Bill Gregory, whom the Seahawks traded for from Dallas. Gregory was the first ever Seahawks d-lineman to intercept a pass.

Floyd "Pork Chop" Womack was not just a great name, but he also played 4 of 5 positions on the offensive line. He's the guy who used to get all training camp snaps when Walter Jones kept skipping training camp.

The most recent #77 is James Carpenter who was a #1 pick but hasn't been able to stay in the lineup consistently. He probably gets one more year to prove he belongs.

The best #77 in team history was Jeff Bryant, a #1 pick in 1982 and played 11 seasons, most of which was alongside his d-line teammates Jacob Green and Joe Nash. Bryant, Nash & Green are played together 10 seasons, most of them as the starting line in the 3-4 scheme. Bryant may be the least famous of the three but he had 14.5 sacks in 1984 and 63 in his career, currently 3rd all-time. He was an every-down player and he and Green were the bookends of the Seahawks defenses of the '80s.

Bryant raised the 12th man flag in 2007 but it was pre-season which I always think is a slightly reduced honor:

http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/v ... 6bdd45d45d

 

[JMR]

Total stud.

 

[Zebulon Dak]

No brainer. Jeff Bryant was the man.

I still get a little sad when I think about how sure I was that Pork Chop was gonna make us forget about Hutch.