The 49ers Really Botched The QB Spot This Year

[toffee]

I was looking at the 49ers cap space and they're screwed for the foreseeable future. Talk about a disastrous offseason. If Trey Lance doesn't work out they'll be the Lions of the west for the next decade lol Whoever told Lynch he was cut out for the front office is a cruel individual

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Um...OK.

They get 27 mil back next year if they trade/cut Jimmy and in 2023 the cap will balloon in a big way. I think you are overstating just a tad.

Um...OK.

What if Lance isn't ready to take over this time next year?

 

[94Smith]

Why wouldn’t he be ready ? Man you guys act as if he totally sucked this preseason . He had one turnover and led 6 ? (I think) scoring drives. Heck he might even start later this year. The 49ers offense is a running offense. We don’t need Peyton Manning to be successful

 

[94Smith]

Also regarding possible turnovers , Jimmy is prone to throwing bone headed ints as well.

 

[HawkOG70’]

Also regarding possible turnovers , Jimmy is prone to throwing bone headed ints as well.

It feels like Lynch force fed Jimmy G down everyone's throat because he jumped to sign him to such a ludicrous deal without first learning his limitations. What are Jimmy's limitations? Where do I start. Blind as a bat and doesn't see the field. Wobbly off target balls. Turnover machine. Can't throw well past 4 yards. Can't run and doesn't know how to slide but he's good with the hand offs and shovel passes. He's making 27 mil against the cap and your roster isn't all that great. Ranked dead last in fact by ESPN and Fox. None of that matters obviously if you run 80/20 lol Still......How do you give a guy $139 mil for 8 short passes per game. Tim Tebow could do that for the league minimum and run better

 

[94Smith]

Also regarding possible turnovers , Jimmy is prone to throwing bone headed ints as well.

your roster isn't all that great. Ranked dead last in fact by ESPN and Fox.

I'd love to see you elaborate on this and dig yourself a hole. Please do tell

 

[94Smith]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/st...aknesses-x-factors-every-team-starting-lineup

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-roster...and-x-factors-for-every-teams-starting-lineup

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ning-camp-tom-bradys-bucs-at-top-browns-no-3/

Rosters ranked ahead of the seahawks on all 3

 

[HawkOG70’]

Also regarding possible turnovers , Jimmy is prone to throwing bone headed ints as well.

your roster isn't all that great. Ranked dead last in fact by ESPN and Fox.

I'd love to see you elaborate on this and dig yourself a hole. Please do tell

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/1 ... -overcome/

Don't kill the messenger. This is a quarterback driven league. Your squad goes as how talented of a passer your quarterback is as well as making reads and being elusive in and out of the pocket. Jimmy is a solid backup quarterback making top 5 money. How do you quantify that in terms of value? Trey Lance has potential to be great. Jamarcus Russell had potential to be great. How did Lance do on the wonderlic?

 

[94Smith]

Also regarding possible turnovers , Jimmy is prone to throwing bone headed ints as well.

your roster isn't all that great. Ranked dead last in fact by ESPN and Fox.

I'd love to see you elaborate on this and dig yourself a hole. Please do tell

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/1 ... -overcome/

Don't kill the messenger

So a random ESPN reporter ranks the 49ers LAST in THE NFC WEST in a POWER RANKING and you extrapolate this as they have the worst ranked roster . Nice hyperbole. It's a power ranking :34853_doh:

 

[HawkOG70’]

your roster isn't all that great. Ranked dead last in fact by ESPN and Fox.

I'd love to see you elaborate on this and dig yourself a hole. Please do tell

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/1 ... -overcome/

Don't kill the messenger

So a random ESPN reporter ranks the 49ers LAST in THE NFC WEST in a POWER RANKING and you extrapolate this as they have the worst ranked roster . Nice hyperbole. It's a power ranking :34853_doh:

My bad I should’ve said worst in the division. Sorry bro can I hit the redo button?

 

[HawkOG70’]

I mean your roster is only as good as your quarterback’s arm in this league. I’m not say Garoppolo has a weak arm I’m just saying he has obvious limitations when it comes to stretching the field vertically over the top. And with Trey he throws a 95 mph end over end knuckle ball it makes it a little tougher for receivers to haul them in as we’ve seen in the preseason.

 

[HawkOG70’]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nfl.co ... son-on-top

Not sure I agree

https://twitter.com/nflnetwork/status/1 ... 09184?s=21

And this ^^^ again not sure I agree but ok to debate

 

[Marvin49]

I was looking at the 49ers cap space and they're screwed for the foreseeable future. Talk about a disastrous offseason. If Trey Lance doesn't work out they'll be the Lions of the west for the next decade lol Whoever told Lynch he was cut out for the front office is a cruel individual

?

Um...OK.

They get 27 mil back next year if they trade/cut Jimmy and in 2023 the cap will balloon in a big way. I think you are overstating just a tad.

Um...OK.

What if Lance isn't ready to take over this time next year?

Then the cap is the least of their worries.

I've been sayin here all along he needs to take that spot no later than next year. It will likely be much sooner.

 

[Marvin49]

Also regarding possible turnovers , Jimmy is prone to throwing bone headed ints as well.

your roster isn't all that great. Ranked dead last in fact by ESPN and Fox.

I'd love to see you elaborate on this and dig yourself a hole. Please do tell

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/1 ... -overcome/

Don't kill the messenger. This is a quarterback driven league. Your squad goes as how talented of a passer your quarterback is as well as making reads and being elusive in and out of the pocket. Jimmy is a solid backup quarterback making top 5 money. How do you quantify that in terms of value? Trey Lance has potential to be great. Jamarcus Russell had potential to be great. How did Lance do on the wonderlic?

WOW.

Did you really just compare Lance to Jamarcus Russell.

Yeah...sorry man. My days of taking you seriously are over.

As for the answer to your question, I'm not sure there even was a wonderlic, but just about everyone who knows him will tell you the kid is brilliant, of high character, and works his a$$ off.

As for the "rankings" RE talent on the rosters of the 4 teams in division...yeah, thats just a bunch of BS. WHo the hell knows who is most "talented". Its a bunch of dudes who sit on their couch and can't tell you the last men on the roster making sh*t up for mouse clicks. Some have Niners as #1 in division and some have them as #4 in division. Its all BS.

One of these guys predicted Niners would got 3-13 in 2019 and they went to the SB.

Please don't quote rankings by writers as if they are evidence of anything. They aren't.

I have my opinion and they have theirs. The cool part is we get to see it unfold on the field.

 

[Marvin49]

I mean your roster is only as good as your quarterback’s arm in this league. I’m not say Garoppolo has a weak arm I’m just saying he has obvious limitations when it comes to stretching the field vertically over the top. And with Trey he throws a 95 mph end over end knuckle ball it makes it a little tougher for receivers to haul them in as we’ve seen in the preseason.

...and yet in 2019 his receivers dropped a total of 9 passes all season.

Just funny to me how hard you guys are pushing that he's ALREADY a bust, 49ers screwed the offseason, and their cap will screw them.

Its almost like ya'll just WANT him to fai....oh yeah...Seahawks.net. Got it. That explains it.

All good. Nature of the beast.

 

[HawkOG70’]

You can’t call the man a bust without at least giving him a fair shake to prove himself. All we can go by is the small sample size we’ve seen in preseason. He looked decent athletically but the balls need more arch and precision but that’s what preseason is all about, now it’s my understanding he’s got a chipped thumb already that can’t be a good sign. Between grip, follow through and touch as well as throwing a catchable spiral in stride is what you try to get. Even Russ turns in some bad games but he can still make all of the throws you need from your starter. I don’t even want to get into schemes I’m talking throwing mechanics

 

[toffee]

You can’t call the man a bust without at least giving him a fair shake to prove himself. All we can go by is the small sample size we’ve seen in preseason. He looked decent athletically but the balls need more arch and precision but that’s what preseason is all about, now it’s my understanding he’s got a chipped thumb already that can’t be a good sign. Between grip, follow through and touch as well as throwing a catchable spiral in stride is what you try to get. Even Russ turns in some bad games but he can still make all of the throws you need from your starter. I don’t even want to get into schemes I’m talking throwing mechanics

I quite respect Marvin as one could debate football with him. Not like the bay area 9era forum, on webzone, they live in some different universe lol.

As for Lance, 9ers gave up 3 1st for him, that said, we gave up 2 1st for Jamal Adams. Adam has proven track record but he is a safety, his position could influence a game like a QB, right?

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[Marvin49]

You can’t call the man a bust without at least giving him a fair shake to prove himself. All we can go by is the small sample size we’ve seen in preseason. He looked decent athletically but the balls need more arch and precision but that’s what preseason is all about, now it’s my understanding he’s got a chipped thumb already that can’t be a good sign. Between grip, follow through and touch as well as throwing a catchable spiral in stride is what you try to get. Even Russ turns in some bad games but he can still make all of the throws you need from your starter. I don’t even want to get into schemes I’m talking throwing mechanics

1) Its actually his index finger. Unblocked blitzing LB hit him while throwing.

2) He does rocket the ball, but there are a few throws that he put some touch on...the one to Sherfield along the sideline vs the Chargers stands out the most.

I honestly don't know what is gonna happen so I'm far from advertising him as the next great QB in the NFL.

I just think this entire thread is funny. Much more HOPE he is a bust than actual indication he's a bust. Even from a previous poster talking about "turnover worthy" plays etc. I didn't see any indication there about DROPS. Again, 9 drops the entire season in 2019. 10 in the preseason alone.

He certainly made some mistakes out there so I am not saying he didn't, but he also threw 3 TDs, 2 in impressive fashion, ran in another and scored on a 2 pt conversion before it was called back. Several of the drops would have been drive extending 1st downs and one was a TD.

Dude has work to do, but if there are people who "don't see it", I'd submit its because they don't want to see it.

 

[Marvin49]

You can’t call the man a bust without at least giving him a fair shake to prove himself. All we can go by is the small sample size we’ve seen in preseason. He looked decent athletically but the balls need more arch and precision but that’s what preseason is all about, now it’s my understanding he’s got a chipped thumb already that can’t be a good sign. Between grip, follow through and touch as well as throwing a catchable spiral in stride is what you try to get. Even Russ turns in some bad games but he can still make all of the throws you need from your starter. I don’t even want to get into schemes I’m talking throwing mechanics

I quite respect Marvin as one could debate football with him. Not like the bay area 9era forum, on webzone, they live in some different universe lol.

As for Lance, 9ers gave up 3 1st for him, that said, we gave up 2 1st for Jamal Adams. Adam has proven track record but he is a safety, his position could influence a game like a QB, right?

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I'm always leery of giving up multiple ones for ANY player. If you are gonna do it though, QB is the position where you do it.

That doesn't mean I'm wild about the prospect. I honestly do think it was necessary to get Lance as IMO he was higher on teams boards than people here think, but time will tell if Lance was worth it vs Fields/Jones. No way to know that now and I don't count preseason as any indication of anything.

I will say this though RE his preseason performance...

Shanahan wasn't trying to baby him out there in preseason. We saw a little of the packages for him on the first 2 drives vs the Raiders, but other than that he was playing 100% from the pocket and he later admitted he'd been instructed not to run. Shanahan was forcing him to play and learn in the pocket. That's where he has the most work to do and its where he had some great moments and some not so great moments. KC in particular brought the house on him...blitzing off the edges and up the middle. KC did NOT play a vanilla D.

What I see that I liked was that he is clearly getting through his progressions. He is sometimes a bit late and compensates by throwing it HARD to get it in the window. When he throws that hard, the ball will sometimes sail on him.

This is why I have confidense in him. As the game slows down for him, he won't be late and he won't need to throw so hard. You can see him double clutching several times. That will go away IMO when he's more comfortable and knows instinctively where his help is.

Its a complex offense. In his first year a writer in ATL called Shanahan a "QB Killer" because Ryan was struggling. All Ryan did in year 2 was win League MVP. I'm not saying Lance wins MVP next year. I'm simply saying IT TAKES TIME.

 

[chris98251]

You can’t call the man a bust without at least giving him a fair shake to prove himself. All we can go by is the small sample size we’ve seen in preseason. He looked decent athletically but the balls need more arch and precision but that’s what preseason is all about, now it’s my understanding he’s got a chipped thumb already that can’t be a good sign. Between grip, follow through and touch as well as throwing a catchable spiral in stride is what you try to get. Even Russ turns in some bad games but he can still make all of the throws you need from your starter. I don’t even want to get into schemes I’m talking throwing mechanics

1) Its actually his index finger. Unblocked blitzing LB hit him while throwing.

2) He does rocket the ball, but there are a few throws that he put some touch on...the one to Sherfield along the sideline vs the Chargers stands out the most.

I honestly don't know what is gonna happen so I'm far from advertising him as the next great QB in the NFL.

I just think this entire thread is funny. Much more HOPE he is a bust than actual indication he's a bust. Even from a previous poster talking about "turnover worthy" plays etc. I didn't see any indication there about DROPS. Again, 9 drops the entire season in 2019. 10 in the preseason alone.

He certainly made some mistakes out there so I am not saying he didn't, but he also threw 3 TDs, 2 in impressive fashion, ran in another and scored on a 2 pt conversion before it was called back. Several of the drops would have been drive extending 1st downs and one was a TD.

Dude has work to do, but if there are people who "don't see it", I'd submit its because they don't want to see it.

Elway and Farve both had cannons and were slammed for lack of touch, they figured it out. Both threw so hard it could break fingers catching the ball which they did many times early on and in College.

 

[Marvin49]

You can’t call the man a bust without at least giving him a fair shake to prove himself. All we can go by is the small sample size we’ve seen in preseason. He looked decent athletically but the balls need more arch and precision but that’s what preseason is all about, now it’s my understanding he’s got a chipped thumb already that can’t be a good sign. Between grip, follow through and touch as well as throwing a catchable spiral in stride is what you try to get. Even Russ turns in some bad games but he can still make all of the throws you need from your starter. I don’t even want to get into schemes I’m talking throwing mechanics

1) Its actually his index finger. Unblocked blitzing LB hit him while throwing.

2) He does rocket the ball, but there are a few throws that he put some touch on...the one to Sherfield along the sideline vs the Chargers stands out the most.

I honestly don't know what is gonna happen so I'm far from advertising him as the next great QB in the NFL.

I just think this entire thread is funny. Much more HOPE he is a bust than actual indication he's a bust. Even from a previous poster talking about "turnover worthy" plays etc. I didn't see any indication there about DROPS. Again, 9 drops the entire season in 2019. 10 in the preseason alone.

He certainly made some mistakes out there so I am not saying he didn't, but he also threw 3 TDs, 2 in impressive fashion, ran in another and scored on a 2 pt conversion before it was called back. Several of the drops would have been drive extending 1st downs and one was a TD.

Dude has work to do, but if there are people who "don't see it", I'd submit its because they don't want to see it.

Elway and Farve both had cannons and were slammed for lack of touch, they figured it out. Both threw so hard it could break fingers catching the ball which they did many times early on and in College.

The "Elway Cross". I remember.