The 12th Man Factor In Seattle

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Is it really THAT big of a factor? All I hear is that Seattle is UNBEATABLE at home, yet in 2011 they went 4-4 at home and 3-5 on the road, not that big a difference.

In 2012 it went 3-5 on the road, and 8-0 at home.

What gives for the drastic improvment in Home Field Advantage from 2011 to 2012? Is it just a function of being better overall as a team?
 

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We were in full rebuild mode.

But you left out our 7-9 2010 team which beat the defending Super Bowl champion Saints in a Playoff game.

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Always Fierce":357f6ocg said:
Is it really THAT big of a factor? All I hear is that Seattle is UNBEATABLE at home, yet in 2011 they went 4-4 at home and 3-5 on the road, not that big a difference.

In 2012 it went 3-5 on the road, and 8-0 at home.

What gives for the drastic improvment in Home Field Advantage from 2011 to 2012? Is it just a function of being better overall as a team?

If you have NFL Rewind (or if you can find them on YouTube), go watch the home game against the 49ers last year, and the home game against them this year. That should help you understand more so than looking at numbers and drawing game conclusions from them.
 
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Basis4day":nwepuwg1 said:
We were in full rebuild mode.

But you left out our 7-9 2010 team which beat the defending Super Bowl champion Saints in a Playoff game.

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True, it just struck me as interesting, because the road record from 2011 to 2012 was the same, but at home you guys became another animal.

Now you guys already have 2 road wins versus 3 of all last season - which makes me believe the road to the Super Bowl will run through Seattle for the rest of the NFC - which doesn't seem to bode well for anyone playing there based on 2012 and 2013, and even as you mentioned, 2010 home playoff game against the Saints.
 

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Starting QB in 2011 - T-Jack
Starting QB in 2012 - Russell Wilson

That may have something to do with it... Just sayin'. Also the 5 losses in 2012 on the road were all winnable games. One score events, and some missed opportunities.

Colts fan?
 

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Always Fierce":549il8n1 said:
Basis4day":549il8n1 said:
We were in full rebuild mode.

But you left out our 7-9 2010 team which beat the defending Super Bowl champion Saints in a Playoff game.

[youtube]-daAM954xf0[/youtube]


True, it just struck me as interesting, because the road record from 2011 to 2012 was the same, but at home you guys became another animal.

Now you guys already have 2 road wins versus 3 of all last season - which makes me believe the road to the Super Bowl will run through Seattle for the rest of the NFC - which doesn't seem to bode well for anyone playing there based on 2012 and 2013, and even as you mentioned, 2010 home playoff game against the Saints.

Around here we sure hoping so. No team is truly unbeatable. But when your team is legitimate the home field advantage at the Clink is real.
 

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Its a factor when you have talent. The last few years of Holmgren and Mora's one year, there wasn't much talent so HFA really didn't help much. Early in Pete's time here there were the NY Giants beatdown (41-some low score) and the KC Chiefs beatdown here. Falcons won here twice during Pete's time here. So those pundits saying you cannot beat Seattle in Seattle are looking at the trend over the past decade or so. Good Seattle teams are tough to beat at home. Scrub Seattle teams are no problem.

Road record is starting to turn around since the team plays a brand of football that travels (IMHO). Just like last week, if the team wins on the road with the patched up OL they are putting out right now, it will just further prove how sustainable the model they use is for winning no matter where you are.
 

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CallMeADawg":1z1263jy said:
Starting QB in 2011 - T-Jack
Starting QB in 2012 - Russell Wilson

That may have something to do with it... Just sayin'. Also the 5 losses in 2012 on the road were all winnable games. One score events, and some missed opportunities.

Colts fan?

Nope. This is a Redskins fan.
 

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OrFan":24vuham5 said:
CallMeADawg":24vuham5 said:
Starting QB in 2011 - T-Jack
Starting QB in 2012 - Russell Wilson

That may have something to do with it... Just sayin'. Also the 5 losses in 2012 on the road were all winnable games. One score events, and some missed opportunities.

Colts fan?

Nope. This is a Redskins fan.

Ahh... Poor fella. :(
 

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CallMeADawg":mwq7tm6x said:
Starting QB in 2011 - T-Jack
Starting QB in 2012 - Russell Wilson

I think he's trying to point out the variablility of the home and road win differential within years to make the argument that across years the Hawks 12th Man factor seems to be overstated (or, just kind of a statistical fluke from last year that gets treated as more meaningful than it is).

For the point he's making, who the starting QB was in any year is immaterial, as he's focused on the differentials within years. Unless the argument is that it is Russel Wilson himself (and not the 12th Man) who caused the differential in 2012 (e.g. Wilson is for whatever reason excellent at home and middling on the road; he is the causal variable), then it shouldn't matter who the QB is.

Not actually making this argument*, but just trying to clarify the argument that I think is being made.

*As for what I'd personally say about it, I have three thoughts:

1) The human obsession with and fascination for making patterns is at the root of every single meaningful achievement in the history of human society, although it of course can also have its downsides (e.g. belief or action due to inappropriate recognition or mispecfification, which might even be more common than the reverse of appropriate recognition or proper specfication)

2) The problematic side of this is compounded by a news media that's oriented to creating narratives (i.e. stories, or patterns) out of events in order to attract readers who, like everyone else, enjoys narratives.

3) All that said (and I'm saying that I suspect the Seahawk's home dominance, while perhaps not entirely untrue, is overstated, as is the effect of the "12th Man"), I have no doubt whatsoever that being a Hawks fan at the CLink is probably one of the most fun, if not the most fun, experiences an NFL fan could have.

Sorry for the long post. Wasn't intending to write it. :)
 

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Popeyejones":26fkqfcz said:
3) All that said (and I'm saying that I suspect the Seahawk's home dominance, while perhaps not entirely untrue, is overstated, as is the effect of the "12th Man"), I have no doubt whatsoever that being a Hawks fan at the CLink is probably one of the most fun, if not the most fun, experiences an NFL fan could have.

I've been to a lot of ball games in a lot of stadiums around the country, and yes, Seahawks Stadium was the most funnest (yeah, it's a word) I've ever seen...or heard....
 

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CallMeADawg":37l76r9h said:
Also the 5 losses in 2012 on the road were all winnable games. One score events, and some missed opportunities.

You have to go back to week 9 of the 2011 season to find a game where the Hawks last lost by more than a touchdown, and that was with TJax playing with a strained pec for 3/4 of the year.

Also, 500+ player transactions since Carroll came to town has something to do with it. There's probably only about half a dozen players left from the 2010 roster if you exclude our draft picks that year...Okung, Earl, Tate, Thurmond, McCoy and Chancellor. It's truly amazing what he and Schneider have managed to put together in just 3 seasons.
 

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Already stated, I believe, but the quality of the team certainly matters.
A scrub Hawks team, down early, takes the wind out of the 12th man, making them functionally irrelevant.

But give the 12th man a team with heart, that at the very least keeps it a game, and the homefield advantage is very real.

It is not just the mediots and pundits that say so . . The players themselves rave about the energy in the Clink, and the boost it gives them.
Add that to communication problems for the opponent, and Seattle can be a very scary place to travel to for a football game
 

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I see you come from the east coast and have probably never attended a home game.

I just recently talked to the barber I go to and he finally went for the ninnirs game and said "you were really right, you don't hear the noise, you feel the noise". He said its beyond belief and until you have experienced it we can't possibly explain it.

And with any teams success the fans get more interested and start showing up in larger numbers.

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i dont remember the exact number, but since the Clink opened in 2002, we are something like 68-29 at home. #2 to only Green bay (and not by much) in that time span.
 
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