Mr.Hawkbrah
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Instead of bombing everyones threads about wrs, I wanted to explain my philosophy and see if someone can change my mind on things or if anyone agrees. Majority of what I hear is simple, got to re-sign this guy or that guy. Not saying I have any clue whats going to happen, but I do know that this is a lot more complicated than simply picking a guy cause hes your favorite player.
A)
Lets start with Rice:
I respect our fan base's loyalties, but Rice is absolutely undeserving of ever wearing a seahawk jersey again for the rest of his life. I think its pretty much general consensus he gets cut/restructured. But I have no idea why people would even "want him if he was cheap." This is why-
1. youre assuming he will ever be the same player he once was, which is unlikely.
2. Even if you think im wrong, the fact is hes been hurt like half the season almost his entire career here, thinking he wont get hurt is beyond wishful thinking.
3***. Even if he stays for cheap, you are taking a roster spot away from arguably the best team in the league at developing talent. You are essentially saying Rice is so good, hes worth keeping cause he's that much better than developing anyone else we could get. Would you rather have another DB/Kearse level talent waiting in the wings you could count on or a guy (rice) when/if ever healthy that is marginally better? the answer seems obvious to me. and thats not even counting a possible higher upside, if we drafted a wr higher.
B)
Tate/Baldwin:
To me, its really going to come down to money. Its one or the other, and no matter what people say, I dont really think anyone actually knows what kind of money either of them will get. Even if were talking 4 mill each or something affordable, it makes no sense from a cap stand point to invest into both. Its kind of the money ball system, you got to count on one of them taking the extra slack, and assuming the drop off from a cheaper guy wont be crippling. I think its insane in our offense that is run first, to hear people say we should invest over 20 million in starting wrs. I personally think tate is the guy we should try to re-sign if affordable. DB gives me the vibe he wants to be the best, something he will never be here in seattle from what we can see. You can read into all the he wants to be here statements he makes all you want, im talking about reading in between the lines.
I think we should throw a tender on DB, get a draft pick if we can. and happily send him off to a team like the colts where he can be most happy thriving under a heavier passing attack.
C)
cap philosophy:
So many people are saying were good with the wrs we have, and dont need any, yeah we really dont need any more proof than the superbowl we are good how we are. but no matter how many guys you cut or restructure or say we dont need that will give us money to sign our wrs, the bottom line is at some point, that money we spend on wrs will eventually cut into talent we really need to re-sign its not as simple as addition by subtraction, every decision we make effects EVERY signing at EVERY position for the foreseeable future, i see people saying that stuff a lot, like oh cut clemmons to sign our wrs, its just not that simple. Our team is stacked, even our wrs are better than ive given them credit for, but at the end of the day they are still one of the weakest positions on our roster, thats not as much an insult to db is it is a compliment to our talent level....
keeping that in mind, why would you not save money and let players walk at our weakest position?? i wouldnt be heart broke to see tate walk, draft a wr or 2 and end up watching both tate and db walk in favor of new cheap talent to develop, that is the only possibly way (penny pinching) we ever maintain a legendary D like we currently have.
D)
The draft:
1. With this wr class, we are most likely going to end up looking at wr as one of the positions that is bpa.
2. No matter how much we love tate/DB imo their ceilings are limited, our FO loves finding value like db, but also loves taking risks on guys that they can hit big on.
3. Drafting a 1st round wr, will still save us millions over re-signing DB and or tate. Even if you cant grasp the idea of a 1st round wr being better than db, you cant argue that it will save us millions and every million counts on a team like this.
so maybe its not about drafting a wr cause our wrs suck..maybe its just as much, or more about drafting a wr cause we need to keep our most unused position cheap? something to think about.
and besides all that, i truly dont think our wrs fit RWs playing style well. He throws a lot of jump balls, and we see a ton of catches made in traffic when our wrs are in good position. typically smaller built wrs are great for quicker routes, which we dont use as much. Why not put bigger bodies out there to take advantage of what kind of balls our franchise qb throws?
I think this whole clutch talk is a little over blown, if you put a bigger body out there, some of those tremendously hard catches db makes, all of a sudden dont look so hard, cause a bigger wr will naturally be in better postion to make those catches on the balls rw throws.
E)
Random idea:
package DB/random player/1st rounder to move up a couple spots to secure a wr if we feel like a guy like kelvin benj will be gone before our pick... i know thats probably very unlikely and no one will like that idea, but just saying.
F)
off season plan:
-flat out release and say bye to rice.
-if tate or DB dont stay for great home town discounts, you let tate walk. tender DB for a pick.
-if we get a pick for DB we draft a couple wrs, a first and anywhere from 2-5 depending on talent available. and sign a vet to a one year deal.
-if db stays another year we dont sign anyone major from the outside and still hammer the draft at wr and walk on try outs.
Please withold as much homerism as you can as id love to get some real opinions on whatever sections you care to comment on other than all these (no offense) million i want db cause i said so conversations. Trying to think outside the box a bit. maybe im a fool for not locking up one of these guys, but keep in mind i think we could find a cheap serviceable vet while we develop our young guys.
thanks for any feedback i know its a bit long
to spark the imagination, KB catching RW signature jump balls :th2thumbs:
A)
Lets start with Rice:
I respect our fan base's loyalties, but Rice is absolutely undeserving of ever wearing a seahawk jersey again for the rest of his life. I think its pretty much general consensus he gets cut/restructured. But I have no idea why people would even "want him if he was cheap." This is why-
1. youre assuming he will ever be the same player he once was, which is unlikely.
2. Even if you think im wrong, the fact is hes been hurt like half the season almost his entire career here, thinking he wont get hurt is beyond wishful thinking.
3***. Even if he stays for cheap, you are taking a roster spot away from arguably the best team in the league at developing talent. You are essentially saying Rice is so good, hes worth keeping cause he's that much better than developing anyone else we could get. Would you rather have another DB/Kearse level talent waiting in the wings you could count on or a guy (rice) when/if ever healthy that is marginally better? the answer seems obvious to me. and thats not even counting a possible higher upside, if we drafted a wr higher.
B)
Tate/Baldwin:
To me, its really going to come down to money. Its one or the other, and no matter what people say, I dont really think anyone actually knows what kind of money either of them will get. Even if were talking 4 mill each or something affordable, it makes no sense from a cap stand point to invest into both. Its kind of the money ball system, you got to count on one of them taking the extra slack, and assuming the drop off from a cheaper guy wont be crippling. I think its insane in our offense that is run first, to hear people say we should invest over 20 million in starting wrs. I personally think tate is the guy we should try to re-sign if affordable. DB gives me the vibe he wants to be the best, something he will never be here in seattle from what we can see. You can read into all the he wants to be here statements he makes all you want, im talking about reading in between the lines.
I think we should throw a tender on DB, get a draft pick if we can. and happily send him off to a team like the colts where he can be most happy thriving under a heavier passing attack.
C)
cap philosophy:
So many people are saying were good with the wrs we have, and dont need any, yeah we really dont need any more proof than the superbowl we are good how we are. but no matter how many guys you cut or restructure or say we dont need that will give us money to sign our wrs, the bottom line is at some point, that money we spend on wrs will eventually cut into talent we really need to re-sign its not as simple as addition by subtraction, every decision we make effects EVERY signing at EVERY position for the foreseeable future, i see people saying that stuff a lot, like oh cut clemmons to sign our wrs, its just not that simple. Our team is stacked, even our wrs are better than ive given them credit for, but at the end of the day they are still one of the weakest positions on our roster, thats not as much an insult to db is it is a compliment to our talent level....
keeping that in mind, why would you not save money and let players walk at our weakest position?? i wouldnt be heart broke to see tate walk, draft a wr or 2 and end up watching both tate and db walk in favor of new cheap talent to develop, that is the only possibly way (penny pinching) we ever maintain a legendary D like we currently have.
D)
The draft:
1. With this wr class, we are most likely going to end up looking at wr as one of the positions that is bpa.
2. No matter how much we love tate/DB imo their ceilings are limited, our FO loves finding value like db, but also loves taking risks on guys that they can hit big on.
3. Drafting a 1st round wr, will still save us millions over re-signing DB and or tate. Even if you cant grasp the idea of a 1st round wr being better than db, you cant argue that it will save us millions and every million counts on a team like this.
so maybe its not about drafting a wr cause our wrs suck..maybe its just as much, or more about drafting a wr cause we need to keep our most unused position cheap? something to think about.
and besides all that, i truly dont think our wrs fit RWs playing style well. He throws a lot of jump balls, and we see a ton of catches made in traffic when our wrs are in good position. typically smaller built wrs are great for quicker routes, which we dont use as much. Why not put bigger bodies out there to take advantage of what kind of balls our franchise qb throws?
I think this whole clutch talk is a little over blown, if you put a bigger body out there, some of those tremendously hard catches db makes, all of a sudden dont look so hard, cause a bigger wr will naturally be in better postion to make those catches on the balls rw throws.
E)
Random idea:
package DB/random player/1st rounder to move up a couple spots to secure a wr if we feel like a guy like kelvin benj will be gone before our pick... i know thats probably very unlikely and no one will like that idea, but just saying.
F)
off season plan:
-flat out release and say bye to rice.
-if tate or DB dont stay for great home town discounts, you let tate walk. tender DB for a pick.
-if we get a pick for DB we draft a couple wrs, a first and anywhere from 2-5 depending on talent available. and sign a vet to a one year deal.
-if db stays another year we dont sign anyone major from the outside and still hammer the draft at wr and walk on try outs.
Please withold as much homerism as you can as id love to get some real opinions on whatever sections you care to comment on other than all these (no offense) million i want db cause i said so conversations. Trying to think outside the box a bit. maybe im a fool for not locking up one of these guys, but keep in mind i think we could find a cheap serviceable vet while we develop our young guys.
thanks for any feedback i know its a bit long
to spark the imagination, KB catching RW signature jump balls :th2thumbs:
