Sorry John

[ruffENrowdy]

Schneider did an amazing job one time. We lucked into Geno being good.

Those Russ teams success had a lot to do with Russ himself. His best years were not the super bowl years.

Geno gave the gift of competency at QB with a team with multiple weak position groups.

Now he’s replaced Geno Lockett and DK with Sam Darnold, Cooper Kupp and MVS and people are singing his praises.

We had a better offense a week ago than we do now.

We still have a draft coming up if you forgot? We got rid of the dudes who wanted way too much money for what they gave on the field. I'm pretty sure I read that we are projected to have the most cap space next year as well. I will never understand people who have takes like this at all.

 

[Superbowl 48]

After realizing how bad the offensive line was last year, no wonder Geno was like, I'm out. I had enough of this horse droppings. Go find yourself another sucker. Peace!

Talk about a stressful job. So, I will give Geno some credit for being an absolute professional, with a pretty terrible work environment. Same goes with Russel Wilson, he had to deal with some less than average lines also. They both got paid, more than most of us will ever make, so don't cry me a river either.

Signing Darnold to a $30 million dollar contract, with the Offensive line in disrepair, shows that it's intentional. I don't mind be proven wrong, I hope things go well. Something smells rotten though.

Seattle is the pressure cooker for quarterbacks. Sam Darnold, I wish you the best. Matt Hasselbeck had it pretty good....Those were the days!

 

[SonicHawk]

We still have a draft coming up if you forgot? We got rid of the dudes who wanted way too much money for what they gave on the field. I'm pretty sure I read that we are projected to have the most cap space next year as well. I will never understand people who have takes like this at all.

You never understand people who have really simple takes? Man, life is tough.

All joking aside -- we got rid of dudes who were more talented than the dudes we replaced them with. Now the hope is, we can at least near the productivity on field of what we lost plus the additional cap space and draft capital make up for them.

I don't trust John to do that, unlike many here. We've had 7 years at least of below average offensive line play which was often made up for by stellar QB play. The improvements on defense will not make up for this deficiency, especially with a quarterback like Darnold who is far less accurate and less decisive than Geno throwing to a far less talented WR group than he did in Minnesota.

Can it work? Maybe. But this went from what looked like a potential rebuild with a young quarterback to another mid level, non-playoff team.

Cooper Kupp is one year younger than Tyler Lockett and hasn't been on the field every game for years. MVS couldn't make it work with prime Aaron Rodgers.

 

[jammerhawk]

I now have confidence that by the time of the draft the team will be able to let the board come to them. At this point an experienced LG and Oc would be nice but the OC isn't truly necessary but would be nice

 

[MontanaHawk05]

We had a better offense a week ago than we do now.

That offense forced its way out. They didn't want to be here. I'll blame John if I find it merited, but DK wanting $33m a year and then leaving when he didn't get it is not on John.

 

[SonicHawk]

That offense forced its way out. They didn't want to be here. I'll blame John if I find it merited, but DK wanting $33m a year and then leaving when he didn't get it is not on John.

I don't disagree that $33M a year is a lot for DK.

Offense is still worse.

 

[Sonichound16]

You never understand people who have really simple takes? Man, life is tough.

All joking aside -- we got rid of dudes who were more talented than the dudes we replaced them with. Now the hope is, we can at least near the productivity on field of what we lost plus the additional cap space and draft capital make up for them.

I don't trust John to do that, unlike many here. We've had 7 years at least of below average offensive line play which was often made up for by stellar QB play. The improvements on defense will not make up for this deficiency, especially with a quarterback like Darnold who is far less accurate and less decisive than Geno throwing to a far less talented WR group than he did in Minnesota.

Can it work? Maybe. But this went from what looked like a potential rebuild with a young quarterback to another mid level, non-playoff team.

Cooper Kupp is one year younger than Tyler Lockett and hasn't been on the field every game for years. MVS couldn't make it work with prime Aaron Rodgers.

As much as I love your name(I am a huge Sonics fan from back in the day an it comes dangerously close to many of my passwords) I couldn't disagree more. DK was a physical specimen who just couldn't seem to put those physical tools to effect on the field. If he caught the ball with a path to the end zone then he was great...but he didn't high point the ball, box out, make people miss or was especially hard to tackle. That isn't worth being paid top 3 WR $$ in the league. I wouldn't be surprised if Kupp ends up with better numbers than DK this year. The Darnold/Geno debate is a good one, only time will tell. If Geno is really getting $45 mil per year than I gotta say that Darnold at over $10 mil per year less and 7 years younger is the better option. One big difference between the 2 is completion %. Geno was the master of accurate, short passes and actually deep dimes as well. He throws a great ball. Darnold let the league in passes that were 20+ yards in the air but you have to factor that he had JJ at the end of alot of those passes. Of course Geno's % would be better. The difference between their completion % last year equated to just a bit over 1 more pass completed per game...

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I don't disagree that $33M a year is a lot for DK.

Offense is still worse.

Yes, but this thread is about whether that's on John.

 

[Fresno Hawk]

Well there's alot of people that think the Hawks, offense will be good.

 

[bsuhawk]

That is a fair point going from Geno and DK to Darnold, Kupp and MVS isn't the upgrade people think. I think it comes close to even but the underlying problem is the OL.

I agree that Geno and DK to Darnold, Kupp, and MVS is at best a push, although I think you also need to consider the 2nd and 3rd JS got in the trades. However, keep in mind that 15 days ago the plan was still to resign DK. Ten days ago Geno was still going to be our 2025 QB. I think JS (and the rest of the front office) deserves a ton of credit for pivoting this quickly and replacing DK and Geno with Darnold, Kupp, and MVS. If it wasn't for JS and crew, we could easily be posting to a thread right now asking who should be our next QB? Sam Howell, Aaron Rodgers, or Russell Wilson?

 

[Wsumatt1982]

We got a new OL coach. They are more important than most realize. The OC and OL coach basically spoon at night during training camp. To get a feel for each other.

Just curious how you know this? I’ve never seen a report on “spooning” ever

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I agree that Geno and DK to Darnold, Kupp, and MVS is at best a push, although I think you also need to consider the 2nd and 3rd JS got in the trades. However, keep in mind that 15 days ago the plan was still to resign DK. Ten days ago Geno was still going to be our 2025 QB. I think JS (and the rest of the front office) deserves a ton of credit for pivoting this quickly and replacing DK and Geno with Darnold, Kupp, and MVS. If it wasn't for JS and crew, we could easily be posting to a thread right now asking who should be our next QB? Sam Howell, Aaron Rodgers, or Russell Wilson?

Exactly this.

The situation is not "Geno/DK to Darnold/Kupp". The situation was "Howell/JSN to Darnold/Kupp". Because Geno and DK were not going to be here.

And Howell/JSN to Darnold/Kupp plus a 2nd/3rd is an upgrade, even if it's still a bridge.

 

[CallMeADawg]

Schneider did an amazing job one time. We lucked into Geno being good.

Those Russ teams success had a lot to do with Russ himself. His best years were not the super bowl years.

Geno gave the gift of competency at QB with a team with multiple weak position groups.

Now he’s replaced Geno Lockett and DK with Sam Darnold, Cooper Kupp and MVS and people are singing his praises.

We had a better offense a week ago than we do now.

Low effort trolling. Try harder, this is starting to get pathetic.

 

[SonicHawk]

Low effort trolling. Try harder, this is starting to get pathetic.

All you know how to reply is this type of crap. Learn how to put words to your thoughts instead of corny posts like this.

We can disagree and still have a productive conversation. We're both just making assumptions about a future we don't control and don't know.

I think JS gets too much credit for the exceptional QB play he had during Russ's tenure after the super bowl run and Geno was not supposed to be a top 10 QB. The offensive line has been a problem for almost a decade now. The free agent signings have been a mixed bag of good and bad. JS has been average as a GM ever since the initial LOB era. A team that he must share credit with with Pete.

His first draft without pete was hardly something to write home about.

 

[samwize77]

My prediction is that...nobody knows whats going to happen, so its unknown how well JS has done with these recent moves.
My conclusion is that the future will tell us.
My hopes?...that nobody here ever becomes GM.......lol...including me

"May the Lombardi be with us".......... <--some a**hole that wishes the best for us no matter what

 

[Sperrydogg]

All joking aside -- we got rid of dudes who were more talented than the dudes we replaced them with. Now the hope is, we can at least near the productivity on field of what we lost plus the additional cap space and draft capital make up for them.

Hahaha not only did we make a sneaky swap we got them for cheaper and we got a 2 and a 3….. go Johnnyboy

 

[SonicHawk]

Hahaha not only did we make a sneaky swap we got them for cheaper and we got a 2 and a 3….. go Johnnyboy

Oh sweet, another D'wayne Eskridge and Cody Barton coming our way!

If Darnold can play to a high level and Kupp can avoid injury and age, it's a huge win. Those are big ifs though.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Schneider did an amazing job one time. We lucked into Geno being good.

Those Russ teams success had a lot to do with Russ himself. His best years were not the super bowl years.

Geno gave the gift of competency at QB with a team with multiple weak position groups.

Now he’s replaced Geno Lockett and DK with Sam Darnold, Cooper Kupp and MVS and people are singing his praises.

We had a better offense a week ago than we do now.

He did a good thing more than once. I could list years of good things he did. Wow, Russ did play during those good years but so did the LOB. Our offense is new now, not worse. No one has seen this offense at all not once for even one second so I don’t know how you can say that we were better a week ago. Geno was semi-competent but he’s a little @&$?! so I would rather have Darnold. You think John is not doing anything great, that’s just like your opinion man….

 

[Sperrydogg]

Oh sweet, another D'wayne Eskridge and Cody Barton coming our way!

If Darnold can play to a high level and Kupp can avoid injury and age, it's a huge win. Those are big ifs though.

You seem a little jaded

 

[Wsumatt1982]

Oh sweet, another D'wayne Eskridge and Cody Barton coming our way!

If Darnold can play to a high level and Kupp can avoid injury and age, it's a huge win. Those are big ifs though.

I would just like for you to give me some examples of a GM who doesn’t have any misses or regrets on missing out on players in the draft, or even FA signings. I’ll give you all the time you need.

The last couple drafts have been pretty damn good. They let drafting for need come to the forefront instead of BPA. The last couple years they have gone back to BPA. It’s promising and encouraging.

I get your points and you may end up being right. I’ll stick to the optimistic approach rather than your chicken little approach.