Should we do this? versitile OL at 18

[SoulfishHawk]

Daniel Jeremiah and guys like that have been talking a LOT about how 2nd to 4th round is the wheelhouse for a lot of talent in this draft. Including O Lineman. IF they don't take on in the 1st round, it doesn't mean that they won't in the 2nd.
Jeremiah is someone who's opinion I trust quite a bit. Also, he was a scout for NFL teams.

 

[glenwo2]

People are going to go nuts when they don't go OL at 18 and instead attack that in the 2-4 rounds. It's possible their guys are gone by 18 and they take Zabel but I said it months ago and I think if Loveland is there they take him or another defensive blue chip guy if he falls.

I think since Kubiak's offense will feature 2 tight-end sets, it would make sense to get a Loveland or Warren.

 

[Seahawker]

Daniel Jeremiah and guys like that have been talking a LOT about how 2nd to 4th round is the wheelhouse for a lot of talent in this draft. Including O Lineman. IF they don't take on in the 1st round, it doesn't mean that they won't in the 2nd.

By the middle of the 2nd round the OL difference makers will be gone and you will likely just adding to your project depth guy pool. Watch & see.

 

[Wsumatt1982]

By the middle of the 2nd round the OL difference makers will be gone and you will likely just adding to your project depth guy pool. Watch & see.

JS set himself up nicely though. If there starts to be a run on the top O lineman, we have 2 2nd's and 2 3rd's to try and trade up. Of course you need a trade partner for it to happen, I get it. But a 2nd and a 3rd gets you to the top of the 2nd and both 2nd's gets you at the end of the 1st according to the Jimmy Johnson draft chart.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

By the middle of the 2nd round the OL difference makers will be gone and you will likely just adding to your project depth guy pool. Watch & see.

Maybe, but they're just saying it's an O Line deep draft.

I'm gonna' go ahead and trust him and the many that do this stuff for a living over the everything sucks crowd.
Plus, this team has a LOT of draft picks to move up if they need to.

 

[chris98251]

JS set himself up nicely though. If there starts to be a run on the top O lineman, we have 2 2nd's and 2 3rd's to try and trade up. Of course you need a trade partner for it to happen, I get it. But a 2nd and a 3rd gets you to the top of the 2nd and both 2nd's gets you at the end of the 1st according to the Jimmy Johnson draft chart.

You have the picks right in the heart of draft capital for o lineman, you pick not trade, especially when this draft has it rated as a strength. Skill position guys sure but not big butted dirt bags that you want to have at least a little life in their feet.

 

[GemCity]

If I had a dollar for every time I had to point THIS out ^^^

And it's Humphrey.
Side note, still a little pissed we didn't take him

Pffffttt….Eskridge was SOLID.

*Tee-Hee*

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Even better than Malik McDowell

(runs very fast for cover)

 

[Wsumatt1982]

You have the picks right in the heart of draft capital for o lineman, you pick not trade, especially when this draft has it rated as a strength. Skill position guys sure but not big butted dirt bags that you want to have at least a little life in their feet.

I agree, that wasn't the point I was making. I want them to stick and make all 5 of those picks. I was responding to what was said about them all being drafted before we do. We have ammunition to move up if needed. I don't think we need to and I don't want them to move up.

 

[Seahawker]

This is how I see our draft needs/priorities.

1) IOL (OG) an OT that can move inside or a plug & play guard. Total (1)

2) A versatile, athletic safety or CB with size to maximize MM's (75%) defensive scheme of nickel & 3 safety sets. Run stop DT. 2nd OL, OT/OG prospect with versatility. Total (3)
^ No particular order.

2b) TE that fits Kubiak's scheme.
KJ-like OLB. Total (2)

3) Day 3 (Likely JS trades down somewhere & adds at least one more pick here)
WR, CB, QB, FB.
Multiple corners if talent is there.
Total (4+)

 

[MontanaHawk05]

I'm not gonna panic.

Quality ZBS guys are historically available later in the draft. Additionally, our discussions here are still taking place outside the context of the wonderteam of Grubb/Huff and how they put their O-line in an awful position to succeed with their schematic and game situation choices. We really don't know how bad our existing picks are yet, including Christian Haynes.

I'd feel better if they were able to get Zabel at #18, but I'm not going to get frustrated if shallow expectations aren't met, either. This isn't looking like a Super Bowl year for the Seahawks even IF the O-line gets reloaded well.

 

[Sol Duc]

Even better than Malik McDowell

(runs very fast for cover)

And poeleece.

 

[Scout]

By the middle of the 2nd round the OL difference makers will be gone and you will likely just adding to your project depth guy pool. Watch & see.

I have to agree.

Those players may break out as solid starters but they are not likely to be impact players.

 

[James in PA]

I agree that there will be a huge run on offensive linemen between 18 and 50, so don't screw around. I'm ok with trading down A FEW SPOTS if you feel like you're not getting great value at 18. But I'm not a fan at scrambling to trade up if you go another direction with your first pick.

 

[toffee]

Small hands and short arms, not wasting #18 on him. Besides, I disagree with ESPN, we are quite loaded at IOL. Boys just need better coaching and more snaps.

Last season our OL didn't perform to their potentials for four reasons, injury to Lucas, retirement of Connor, poor coaching, and geNO. John Schneider fix all four!

 

[Seahawker]

This OL has been at the bottom for years running. This isn't all coaching & scheme, it's personell too. For season after season we've had OL & front seven problems, can't block and can't tackle. Ineffective run-game, can't stop the run, remember?
Well it looks like MM finally has the defense headed for top 10 ranking. With the offensive line continually ranked near the bottom, I don't want to improve from #31 to #21, I want to install players to maintain a top 10 OL for years.
Winning seasons the last two years with no playoffs, when was the last time we went deep in the playoffs?
It is not going to change until the offensive line is on the upswing and lesser talent is not going to fix it.

I'd use 2 of our top 5 picks on OL, that includes 18 to start. Then a couple undrafted FA's and a veteran preseason cut. You've got a new QB and some nice offensive weapons counting on a solid O-Line.

 

[Scout]

I agree that there will be a huge run on offensive linemen between 18 and 50, so don't screw around. I'm ok with trading down A FEW SPOTS if you feel like you're not getting great value at 18. But I'm not a fan at scrambling to trade up if you go another direction with your first pick.

Bottom of the 2nd round should be okay but if JS waits to the third round he is going to be drafting players with a similar talent level that ALREADY exists on the roster. At that point you are not really improving just collecting more of the same.

 

[glenwo2]

This OL has been at the bottom for years running. This isn't all coaching & scheme, it's personell too. For season after season we've had OL & front seven problems, can't block and can't tackle. Ineffective run-game, can't stop the run, remember?
Well it looks like MM finally has the defense headed for top 10 ranking. With the offensive line continually ranked near the bottom, I don't want to improve from #31 to #21, I want to install players to maintain a top 10 OL for years.
Winning seasons the last two years with no playoffs, when was the last time we went deep in the playoffs?
It is not going to change until the offensive line is on the upswing and lesser talent is not going to fix it.

I'd use 2 of our top 5 picks on OL, that includes 18 to start. Then a couple undrafted FA's and a veteran preseason cut. You've got a new QB and some nice offensive weapons counting on a solid O-Line.

Which makes me wonder (as the new guy here) how you guys won 10 games last season?

Despite the OL being "at the bottom for years running", the OL had to have given Geno "enough time" more than enough for him to make plays to get to those wins, right?

 

[James in PA]

Which makes me wonder (as the new guy here) how you guys won 10 games last season?

Despite the OL being "at the bottom for years running", the OL had to have given Geno "enough time" more than enough for him to make plays to get to those wins, right?

Easy. We feasted on bad teams. Other than the opener against Denver (rookie quarterback, making his first ever start) and the final game against the Rams (who were playing for nothing) we didn't beat a single team who finished the season with a winning record.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It got really obvious. Put a top tier team in front from Geno, and that's a loss. And it wasn't just because of a bad O Line. That just was the go-to excuse.