Serious- Has the shine wore off on Russ?

[Rocket]

FLASH: First, Wilson is too freakin' short
Second - Wilson is HUMAN
third - half his old team wanted to burn him on a hibachi ( can't say stake, can I ) and this has to mess with one's head
fourth - D. Fresh is down with a knee.
5th - he looks a wee bit less cut, so there's that
6th - IFEDI IS STILL PLAYING so Russ is running.

PATIENCE FER CHRISAKES... he'll grow a half a foot and we'll be find, er... fine.

 

[Russ Willstrong]

Russell Wilson's shine was never great to begin with. He entered the league with some fanfare but more detractors. When analysts started comparing his great NFL start with that of Brady and Roethlesberger his detractors became more vocal.
He was pegged a game-manager early on then a coattail rider (of Lynch and defense) despite the many clutch pass plays in the playoffs.
Tom Brady went through a similar career path as Russell albeit he had fewer detractors and more fanfare. In 2012 people thought Brady was at the twilight of his career and many felt he was overrated. Then Brady started winning playoff games again. In SB 49 Brady played well but it was Butler who won the game. In SB 51 it was James White whose clutch catches and runs won the game in the waning moments. Those wins cemented Brady as the GOAT whereas he would have been talked about as an aging washed out QB had he not won either. Despite Butler's and White's impact they continue to remain in the background. Brady deserves that respect for his longevity and determination.
Russ would have never gotten the Brady treatment had Seattle won SB 49. They current stories told by former players reveal jealousy and bitterness that won't allow this team to prop up it's QB. Nobody wants to fade to the back. What SB 48 taught us is that winning even at the highest level didn't solve the team's problems. The coaches were always at fault. Wilson would always be overshadowed by the Legendary Defense and the poor misunderstood BEASTMODE.

The point is Brady and Rodgers had difficulties early on. They weren't perfect either but their careers became defined by the clutch plays they made in the playoffs. It ultimately proved detractors wrong.

Russ may never play like Brady but if he continues to make those clutch plays and wins in the playoffs it wont matter what his detractors say about him. He will be a HOF qb.

 

[bbsplitter]

Wilson does need to do that backwards spin thing less, it is turning into a bit of a signature move, and when an elite pass rusher like Von Miller is on the backside, they are going to start targeting that.

I honestly think a lot of this just comes down to first game jitters - it's not shocking considering he's been running for his life behind the lines we have had for the last couple years. Give him a few games to get used to this current line. If he is still making these mistakes at the same rate at that point - then I will worry.

(Posters do have a point though saying there is only so many games in a season and needing 4+ games to get up to speed is more in line with rookie play vs the veteran he is supposed to be.)

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The way so many people seem to make it personal with him is pretty weak. And ignoring what he has done his entire career. People have been tougher on him than most we've ever seen in Seattle sports. To each his/her own, but making it personal seems really immature. Oh well, goes with the position, and for some reason, nothing he does is ever good enough.

 

[pmedic920]

Probably 25-28 teams that would take him in a New York minute.

I don’t think the shine has worn off.

Yes, the Seahawks have declined a bit but I don’t think our QB is the reason.

YMMV

 

[adeltaY]

Couple more really interesting articles on Russ' issues. Matty Brown is awesome at breaking down film.

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/9/13/17 ... hts-all-22

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/9/13/17 ... ts-seattle

 

[mrt144]

Probably 25-28 teams that would take him in a New York minute.

I don’t think the shine has worn off.

Yes, the Seahawks have declined a bit but I don’t think our QB is the reason.

YMMV

You ever get the feeling that a lot of younger OCs would love a shot to work with RW?

 

[semiahmoo]

Russell Wilson's shine was never great to begin with. He entered the league with some fanfare but more detractors. When analysts started comparing his great NFL start with that of Brady and Roethlesberger his detractors became more vocal.
He was pegged a game-manager early on then a coattail rider (of Lynch and defense) despite the many clutch pass plays in the playoffs.
Tom Brady went through a similar career path as Russell albeit he had fewer detractors and more fanfare. In 2012 people thought Brady was at the twilight of his career and many felt he was overrated. Then Brady started winning playoff games again. In SB 49 Brady played well but it was Butler who won the game. In SB 51 it was James White whose clutch catches and runs won the game in the waning moments. Those wins cemented Brady as the GOAT whereas he would have been talked about as an aging washed out QB had he not won either. Despite Butler's and White's impact they continue to remain in the background. Brady deserves that respect for his longevity and determination.
Russ would have never gotten the Brady treatment had Seattle won SB 49. They current stories told by former players reveal jealousy and bitterness that won't allow this team to prop up it's QB. Nobody wants to fade to the back. What SB 48 taught us is that winning even at the highest level didn't solve the team's problems. The coaches were always at fault. Wilson would always be overshadowed by the Legendary Defense and the poor misunderstood BEASTMODE.

The point is Brady and Rodgers had difficulties early on. They weren't perfect either but their careers became defined by the clutch plays they made in the playoffs. It ultimately proved detractors wrong.

Russ may never play like Brady but if he continues to make those clutch plays and wins in the playoffs it wont matter what his detractors say about him. He will be a HOF qb.

It's been a while since he's made any 'clutch plays and wins in the playoffs' yeah?
So, by that same logic, his detractors have every right to point this out until RW starts making said clutch plays in the playoffs.

Carry on...

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Like 19 TD passes in the 4th quarter?

 

[Smellyman]

Yes. He can make the amazing sandlot plays and have streaks of brilliance, but the simple plays a good QB should be able to make he still struggles with. He is a good QB that you absolutely can win with - but he has limitations. Of course we shouldn't look at it in a vacuum - his coaches, OL, receivers, etc share in the blame; but if Russ wants to be one of the elite he needs to start playing better.

Perfect summary of Wilson.

A good QB but needs a lot of help to play great.

Doesn't look like he'll be getting that kind of help consistently this season...

Ha. He has the least help of any QB in the league and led the league in TDs and yards last year.

 

[TwistedHusky]

We have Wilson as a QB.

We have Pete as the HC.

Question #1:
With Wilson as the QB - can this team be competitive the way it is constructed now?

Question #2:
With Pete as the HC and Wilson as the QB, can this team be competitive with how Pete likes to coach and what Wilson does and does not do well?

Question #3 (for near future)
With Wilson making $35M+ can this team be competitive given the clear loss of effectiveness that will result from lack of spend in other areas?

Wilson isn't elite. Or at least not 'elite enough' to carry a team reliably by himself. Even Wilson defenders acknowledge this. They will still call him elite but admit he cannot do it himself. WE DO NOT NEED HIM TO BE ELITE.

We need the team to produce acceptable results.

To me:
#1 Y
#2 N
#3 N

 

[semiahmoo]

We have Wilson as a QB.

We have Pete as the HC.

Question #1:
With Wilson as the QB - can this team be competitive the way it is constructed now?

Question #2:
With Pete as the HC and Wilson as the QB, can this team be competitive with how Pete likes to coach and what Wilson does and does not do well?

Question #3 (for near future)
With Wilson making $35M+ can this team be competitive given the clear loss of effectiveness that will result from lack of spend in other areas?

Wilson isn't elite. Or at least not 'elite enough' to carry a team reliably by himself. Even Wilson defenders acknowledge this. They will still call him elite but admit he cannot do it himself. WE DO NOT NEED HIM TO BE ELITE.

We need the team to produce acceptable results.

To me:
#1 Y
#2 N
#3 N

Well said.
The wisdom and knowledge of real fans will be proven correct as it always is...

 

[chris98251]

The way so many people seem to make it personal with him is pretty weak. And ignoring what he has done his entire career. People have been tougher on him than most we've ever seen in Seattle sports. To each his/her own, but making it personal seems really immature. Oh well, goes with the position, and for some reason, nothing he does is ever good enough.

No not really.

Spencer Heyward

Alex Rodriguez

Shawn Kemp

Gary Payton

Ken Griffey Jr

Randy Johnson

Any Center for the Sonics not named Jack Sikma

Oh and Matt Hasselbeck remember him and we want the ball were gonna score.

 

[Smellyman]

We have Wilson as a QB.

We have Pete as the HC.

Question #1:
With Wilson as the QB - can this team be competitive the way it is constructed now?

Question #2:
With Pete as the HC and Wilson as the QB, can this team be competitive with how Pete likes to coach and what Wilson does and does not do well?

Question #3 (for near future)
With Wilson making $35M+ can this team be competitive given the clear loss of effectiveness that will result from lack of spend in other areas?

Wilson isn't elite. Or at least not 'elite enough' to carry a team reliably by himself. Even Wilson defenders acknowledge this. They will still call him elite but admit he cannot do it himself. WE DO NOT NEED HIM TO BE ELITE.

We need the team to produce acceptable results.

To me:
#1 Y
#2 N
#3 N

Well said.
The wisdom and knowledge of real fans will be proven correct as it always is...

Earl is slow, his thighs are too big.

 

[AVL]

The height biased club will never quit saying he is a one year wonder. No other player has missed so many open receivers since Flutie.

 

[Uncle Si]

We have Wilson as a QB.

We have Pete as the HC.

Question #1:
With Wilson as the QB - can this team be competitive the way it is constructed now?

Question #2:
With Pete as the HC and Wilson as the QB, can this team be competitive with how Pete likes to coach and what Wilson does and does not do well?

Question #3 (for near future)
With Wilson making $35M+ can this team be competitive given the clear loss of effectiveness that will result from lack of spend in other areas?

Wilson isn't elite. Or at least not 'elite enough' to carry a team reliably by himself. Even Wilson defenders acknowledge this. They will still call him elite but admit he cannot do it himself. WE DO NOT NEED HIM TO BE ELITE.

We need the team to produce acceptable results.

To me:
#1 Y
#2 N
#3 N

Well said.
The wisdom and knowledge of real fans will be proven correct as it always is...

Yes... the "real fan" monicker

Always get an understanding of a poster when they turn to that tired trope

 

[Jville]

I've never really thought of Russell Wilson or for that matter Pete Carroll as Mr September.

 

[Jimjones0384]

People would rather blame him than an uninspired offensive gameplay and a bandaid held OL these days.

Did you watch the last two drives when we had a chance to win or tie the game? This is much more than poor Russell's surrounded by incompetence.

For all of Russell's brilliance, and there's a lot. He still holds onto the ball too long, bails when he doesn't need to and misses receiver coming open.

I still love him, glad he's our QB, because this is a 3-4 win team without him. BUT, if he wants Aaron Rodgers money he has to do better than he did in 4th quarter yesterday. He was downright awful on those last two possessions, possessions that "elite" QB's like Rodgers march down the field and win you the game.

He is a record setting 4th quarter qb. It was one poor performance.

 

[xray]

He was shiny for 4 seasons when the Hawks had the best defense and top ten run game in the NFL. THEY made him look good. Fast forward.... the last two years having to earn his keep...not so good. Wilson was exposed along time ago. He is toast this season. Fan since 1976 longer than some of you been alive. I always want them to win but money and politics have this team up. :irishdrinkers:

 

[acer1240]

Xray is the inaugural member of my ignore list. You'd think Russ banged his wife or something