Seahawks Rookies vs Niners Rookies

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"@hawkblogger: Seahawks rookies played a total of 336 snaps in the game against San Francisco. The 49ers rookies played a total of 25 snaps. #FutureDynasty"

Is it still a question who's better at evaluating talent and building a young, dynamic team for many years to come?

 

[Pstark3]

Was it ever a question?

 

[hawksfan515]

To the 9ers credit, they deserve another season before all being annointed busts.

 

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Was it ever a question?

Not to me...it was a big topic of discussion amongst the Noners fans that tried to overrun this forum leading up to the game tho.

 

[Jazzhawk]

Well, Carroll understands sustainable success, and he and JS have the makings of a FO and team that is able to be good long-term, building this team from the ground up. The 49ers, for all their success, are doing so with mostly the old players Harbaugh inherited and a few key FA additions. For all the similarities of how the teams play and what they emphasize on the field, the methods for how they got there are completely different.

 

[BobcatHawk]

The other part is that, unlike Carroll, Harbaugh won't allow rookies to play as a rule. At least that's what Colinsworth seemed to be saying on Sunday night.

 

[-The Glove-]

To the 9ers credit, they deserve another season before all being annointed busts.

Not calling any of them busts...probably a part of it is their team was loaded with talent when Harbs got there.

 

[Happypuppy]

I didn't think the 49ers had any starting rookies. Maybe special teams has a few dunno...

 

[drdiags]

I think this speaks more to each team's perspective talent level. SF was just more loaded due to a decade of poor play. Trent Baake's impact on the team will come more to the forefront as Scott McCloughan's picks drift off the roster. Justin Smith FA signing was under Scott/Nolan I believe. Gore draft was Scott.

There will come a time where the Seahawks entire draft may not see the light of day. Maybe not. I remember the Owen Gill draft under Knox. Though back then it wasn't like the Seahawks were stacked, so not sure what to think about that fiasco.

 

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I think this speaks more to each team's perspective talent level. SF was just more loaded due to a decade of poor play. Trent Baake's impact on the team will come more to the forefront as Scott McCloughan's picks drift off the roster. Justin Smith FA signing was under Scott/Nolan I believe. Gore draft was Scott.

There will come a time where the Seahawks entire draft may not see the light of day. Maybe not. I remember the Owen Gill draft under Knox. Though back then it wasn't like the Seahawks were stacked, so not sure what to think about that fiasco.

Probably much ado about nothing from me per usual...I just thought it odd as even with stacked teams, you'll usually see a couple contributing immediately as rookies.

 

[Scottemojo]

I think this speaks more to each team's perspective talent level. SF was just more loaded due to a decade of poor play. Trent Baake's impact on the team will come more to the forefront as Scott McCloughan's picks drift off the roster. Justin Smith FA signing was under Scott/Nolan I believe. Gore draft was Scott.

There will come a time where the Seahawks entire draft may not see the light of day. Maybe not. I remember the Owen Gill draft under Knox. Though back then it wasn't like the Seahawks were stacked, so not sure what to think about that fiasco.

Harbaugh has said before he doesn't like to play rookies. I personally think he has suck a low tolerance for mistakes that he inhibits learning. Niner fans like to say that the roster is so talented that they can't get playing time, but I think that is BS. I have compared his love of veterans for how Holmgren was with veterans.

Next man up isn't possible if the depth doesn't get on the field. San Fran's interior linebackers have played every snap this year. If one of them goes down, the guy who spells him is going to be GUH-REEN.

BTW, there is an incredible article out right now by Pat Kirwan about Pete and his defensive scheme being friendly to rookies.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21449654/sunday-six-carrolls-vision-is-2020-for-redhot-seahawks

 

[Axx]

49ers are a product of 10 years or so of high round draft pics then accumulating over the years then a good coach like Harbaugh comes in.

When Pete got this team, they had almost no talent, but he has rebuilt them.
2 more years of Harbaugh having "good years" then it goes down hill from there.

 

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I think this speaks more to each team's perspective talent level. SF was just more loaded due to a decade of poor play. Trent Baake's impact on the team will come more to the forefront as Scott McCloughan's picks drift off the roster. Justin Smith FA signing was under Scott/Nolan I believe. Gore draft was Scott.

There will come a time where the Seahawks entire draft may not see the light of day. Maybe not. I remember the Owen Gill draft under Knox. Though back then it wasn't like the Seahawks were stacked, so not sure what to think about that fiasco.

Harbaugh has said before he doesn't like to play rookies. I personally think he has suck a low tolerance for mistakes that he inhibits learning. Niner fans like to say that the roster is so talented that they can't get playing time, but I think that is BS. I have compared his love of veterans for how Holmgren was with veterans.

Next man up isn't possible if the depth doesn't get on the field. San Fran's interior linebackers have played every snap this year. If one of them goes down, the guy who spells him is going to be GUH-REEN.

BTW, there is an incredible article out right now by Pat Kirwan about Pete and his defensive scheme being friendly to rookies.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/21449654/sunday-six-carrolls-vision-is-2020-for-redhot-seahawks

Read that article earlier...awesome job by Kirwan.

And agree with everything else you said.

 

[sutz]

Not playing rookies is an old school coaching philosophy. Holmgren was pretty much that way. The bad side of that is poor play from your 2nd and 3rd string when they finally make the field. It was one of the things that really used to chap me about Holmgren.

 

[-The Glove-]

Not playing rookies is an old school coaching philosophy. Holmgren was pretty much that way. The bad side of that is poor play from your 2nd and 3rd string when they finally make the field. It was one of the things that really used to chap me about Holmgren.

Love the way we're building this team then. No worries when a man goes down. It's "Next man up!" And its something I've never seen before from this team.

I mean did anyone else freak out when Jason Jones went on IR? Not I!

 

[sutz]

Well, I remember a quote from Cable (sorry, no link) where he said he was coaching the O-line guys to play at least 2 differenr positions. I like how they rotate guys in from time to time. Look at Kearse stepping in Sunday night and snagging a couple of throws. That kind of stuff didn't happen much under Holmie.

It's a thing I've long been jealous of on other teams. It seems we were always getting beat by backup players that nobody ever heard of, while we never seemed to get good plays from our scrubs. It speaks to how they practice and how they prepare those guys as well as the 'starters.' It really seems like the whole team is engaged in the process.

So, yeah, I'm loving it.

 

[drdiags]

I was just being devil's advocate. I love the way Pete is willing to play a guy whether he is experienced or not. Holmgren drove me batty with his deference toward veterans. There are position players which are home grown that can become league stars. Up and down the line. Saw this during pre-season but wasn't sure if it would carry into the regular season. These guys are fast, talented and getting an edge to themselves.

Good stuff. BTW, that Kirwan article was a great read. Someone posted it yesterday and is exactly the type of behind the scenes writing I like to see. I am seeing more of these type of articles as the team's construction is catching the interest of league-wide analysts.

 

[Scottemojo]

I was just being devil's advocate. I love the way Pete is willing to play a guy whether he is experienced or not. Holmgren drove me batty with his deference toward veterans. There are position players which are home grown that can become league stars. Up and down the line. Saw this during pre-season but wasn't sure if it would carry into the regular season. These guys are fast, talented and getting an edge to themselves.

Good stuff. BTW, that Kirwan article was a great read. Someone posted it yesterday and is exactly the type of behind the scenes writing I like to see. I am seeing more of these type of articles as the team's construction is catching the interest of league-wide analysts.

The team he didn't name who closed practice to Kirwan and was all secretive? The Niners. I remember from their training camp tour.

 

[Blitzer88]

Well, Carroll understands sustainable success, and he and JS have the makings of a FO and team that is able to be good long-term, building this team from the ground up. The 49ers, for all their success, are doing so with mostly the old players Harbaugh inherited and a few key FA additions. For all the similarities of how the teams play and what they emphasize on the field, the methods for how they got there are completely different.

Very well said Jazz! Teams are similar, but the way they have come about and were pieced together are completely different.