Seahawks acquire Kelcie McCray from the Chiefs (S)

[Largent80]

Kam Chancellor's new sign...."I'm Out".

 

[marymoorhawk]

Sometimes the overspend works (Lockett?); sometimes it doesn't (Harvin, Whitehurst, Seisay?). Based on Schneider's success as an evaluator, McCray could very well be a key addition and well-worth the compensation. Irregardless of that, trading a Fifth Rounder for a Special Teams specialist (non-returner) is a lot in today's NFL.

It's been said more than once that this front office thinks different than any other so this type of move, trading for one of the best ST'ers in the NFL, makes sense if you look at it that way. Very "moneyball-esque". Conventional wisdom need not apply with these guys and while they don't get them all right (no one ever has, even the greatest of the greats) they do seem to stay ahead of the curve in how they manage assets and build rosters.

 

[Grahamhawker]

For the FO's approach to work, they need to go after the players they value, whether in the draft, FA, or trade.

No, they don't all pan out (no team achieves that), but looking at the overall results I'd say they do pretty well.

 

[hawknation2015]

Kelcie McCray is an ace special teamer. He was the top graded Vise on special teams last season, blocking the opposing team's gunner at an abnormally high rate. He had an overall special teams grade of +11.5 (+8.5 on punts and +4.0 on kickoffs). Lockette had a particularly bad game last season when facing off against McCray. McCray also had nine solo tackles vs. just two missed tackles all season. Compare that to Lockette's poor 4-4 ratio of missed tackles to solo tackles.

 

[kobebryant]

Kelcie McCray is an ace special teamer. He was the top graded Vise on special teams last season, blocking the opposing team's gunner at an abnormally high rate. He had an overall special teams grade of +11.5 (+8.5 on punts and +4.0 on kickoffs). Lockette had a particularly bad game last season when facing off against McCray. McCray also had nine solo tackles vs. just two missed tackles all season. Compare that to Lockette's poor 4-4 ratio of missed tackles to solo tackles.

Yep. This guy is all-pro caliber at what he does on special teams.

Given what having the best vise in the NFL could mean for Lockett, I think it is well worth.

If you spend a 5th round pick on a backup safety that becomes one of the best special teamers in the league it is an excellent pick. Got the guy, without the guesswork.

 

[pmedic920]

I'm not sure what our average starting field position was last year but with a new solid return guy (Lockett) and an above average guy on the field to disrupt the gunner, I'd say our starting field position should improve dramatically.
I like that thought, a whole lot.

 

[Twelver]

Yikes, 5th? Schneider always seems to overpay when trading.

Yeah JS is a horrible GM, right? Give your head a shake.

Remember when he acquired Marshawn Lynch for a 4th round pick?

Yea-- they got a reason

 

[Twelver]

To everyone worried about us sending a 5th for this guy and that we now don't have a 5th and a 6th, here's the easy fix. Move back with the 1st, 2nd or 3rd picks. Example, move out of the 2nd (64th OVR ) and get back 3rd, 5th and 6th. Or, move out of the 1st and get a 2nd, 3rd and 5th. It can be done easily and I know our team knows how to scout other teams players. They probably have a high grade for this guy to be worth of the 5th rounder (which is basically a high 6th) that we just gave them. Everyone relax.

Yea, it's expected that the pick will be very late in the round. This is accounted for. It's good to be seen as a favorable trade partner as well. Grease the wheels of opportunity.

 

[Twelver]

Terrell made the roster as the backup FS, and he had some awful looking plays this preseason. I think this trade might have happened even if Kam were here, assuming that McCray can handle FS duties.

For as good as Seattle has been at finding Earl and Kam in 2010, their track record with safeties has been mediocre at best since then. We've dodged a bullet on a account of Earl and Kam staying healthy and almost never missing games.

I REALLY don't understand whey they kept Terrell over Ronald Martin. Seems like Pete is white knuckles on anyone who can play on special teams. I understand to an extent, but this is other-worldly obsessive. Same thing applies to Lockette over Kevin Smith.

I'm wondering though if it has to do with Tyler Lockett proving enough that he can be a WR and Returner all in one, and Ricardo can still be the gunner and our 5th-6th WR option. With that said they had to think do we keep one of our best gunner or do you keep another WR and take some snaps away from a very good one in Tyler Lockett? Remember Lane was our other best gunner and he's going to gone for a bit, so they probably felt we needed to keep Ricardo.

I'm with you, I think Ricardo slips back among WR's--He's there to rush the returner

 

[Twelver]

I'm not sure what our average starting field position was last year but with a new solid return guy (Lockett) and an above average guy on the field to disrupt the gunner, I'd say our starting field position should improve dramatically.
I like that thought, a whole lot.

He'll help protect our 5'10" 182 lb investment. Coincidence? Yea, right

 

[Twelver]

Some of you need to get your priorities straight. A future 5th round pick that is likely to be around the #170 selection overall in exchange for a veteran backup at key position (FS) where you have basically nothing behind the starter (who has yet to return to full contact), and for a player who is also an elite ST's coverage guy, is a VERY fair swap. I know everyone wants to believe that future Day 3 draft picks are more important than players who can help a team win a Super Bowl right now while their SB window is open, but the reality is that the vast majority 5th round picks turn into Jimmy Staten and Mark Legree, not Richard Sherman or Kam Chancellor. A future late 5th round pick does absolutely nothing to help the 2015 Seattle Seahawks. Kelcie McCray does.

Well put. And Lockett is 182 lbs, so let's get McCray on those gunners. Perfect fit actually.

 

[HawKnPeppa]

Is he not a Safety depth as well?

He is, but either way. Most teams aren't giving up a 5th for a backup safety or a returns blocker. That being said, if he springs Lockett from multiple TDs and ends up starting for an injured Earl Thomas, then I'm really not going to care anymore. It seems like maybe we could've argued them down to a 6/7, as that is generally the going rate for players that teams are willing to give up on. Could be that a backup safety was a hot commodity around the league, but that seems unlikely.

What if it was one of the players they had liked on their draft board in 2013 when he was drafted?

His draft profile: Not saying he's like Kam, but looks like someone we need to cover Tight-ends especially if Kam isn't playing this year.

"McCray is a big, physical safety from Arkansas State who could develop into a future starter in the NFL if put in the right scheme. A former high school quarterback, it is evident that McCray is able to key in on plays as a safety and make the pre-snap reads to put himself in a good position. He has the size to cover tight ends and the physicality to be a presence on the back end."

Brian Russell pt. Deux?

 

[Tical21]

So we just traded a 5th rounder for a blocker for Lockett on punt returns? Intriguing.

 

[Tech Worlds]

So we just traded a 5th rounder for a blocker for Lockett on punt returns? Intriguing.

Yep. That's right

 

[kobebryant]

So we just traded a 5th rounder for a blocker for Lockett on punt returns? Intriguing.

The 5th round is generally a place where you would draft a backup DB that you would like to be a special teams contributer. They're getting that in a proven entity; a guy that some grade as the best in the league at what he does.

 

[The Outfield]

Dang, Kelcie McCray is mean lookin!



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Note John Schneider biting his nails. :shock:

 

[hawknation2015]

Note John Schneider biting his nails. :shock:

LOL, officially my new avatar until Kam returns.