Same Old Seahawks

[adeltaY]

You make some good points, Fade, but this is Wilson's team now. PCJS failed to surround him with offensive talent - that I strongly agree with - but he still played really poorly. Spinning around and getting sacked twice by Von Miller just doesn't cut it. Flashbacks to when DLaw did the same to him last year.

3 TDS, 300 yards is rather poorly??

He didn't play amazing, he didn't play poorly. There is a middle ground guys, he played okay. Not well enough to carry the clown car show though.

Come on, throwing out counting stats doesn't tell the whole picture. You can't ignore the INT either. The second one I don't care about because it was a hail mary, but that was a bad turnover. Look at the situational football - 3/12 on third down is horrific! Three of those sacks were on Wilson for sure and they killed drives - that is poor play.

The fact is that Russell Wilson has to play at a top 5 QB level every week for us to compete with the defense we are fielding now. There may be some games where he can play bad and the defense has a good game, but that is going to be the exception. Have PCJS made it easy for Russ to play at that level? No! He still has to, or we are screwed. Look, Matt Ryan had a worse game earlier in the week and the Falcons lost and that's a much more stacked team than what we have. Then look at Rodgers tonight playing on one leg against a fearsome pass rush. We need Russ to play like the latter, not the former.

 

[DomeHawk]

More Chris Carson

 

[Fade]

You make some good points, Fade, but this is Wilson's team now. PCJS failed to surround him with offensive talent - that I strongly agree with - but he still played really poorly. Spinning around and getting sacked twice by Von Miller just doesn't cut it. Flashbacks to when DLaw did the same to him last year.

3 TDS, 300 yards is rather poorly??

He didn't play amazing, he didn't play poorly. There is a middle ground guys, he played okay. Not well enough to carry the clown car show though.

Come on, throwing out counting stats doesn't tell the whole picture. You can't ignore the INT either. The second one I don't care about because it was a hail mary, but that was a bad turnover. Look at the situational football - 3/12 on third down is horrific! Three of those sacks were on Wilson for sure and they killed drives - that is poor play.

The fact is that Russell Wilson has to play at a top 5 QB level every week for us to compete with the defense we are fielding now. There may be some games where he can play bad and the defense has a good game, but that is going to be the exception. Have PCJS made it easy for Russ to play at that level? No! He still has to, or we are screwed. Look, Matt Ryan had a worse game earlier in the week and the Falcons lost and that's a much more stacked team than what we have. Then look at Rodgers tonight playing on one leg against a fearsome pass rush. We need Russ to play like the latter, not the former.

Greenbay has an Offensive Minded Head Coach, The same system for 14 seasons, superior OC, and an OC he has worked with in the past. + superior O-Line. + superior targets. Don't forget to factor all of that in.

A poor game by Russ is 1 TD, 3 INTS 260 yds mostly compiled in garbage time, and the Seahawks were never really in it because Russ gave them the game. That isn't what happened at all.

He threw a go ahead touchdown to take the lead late in the game. The defense immediately surrendered the lead. RW had 3 TDs on the day with a 4th taken off the board. 100+ passer rating despite being under siege the whole game. A throwaway pass w/2 Secs remaining denied him maintaining that 100+ rating.

Russ was merely okay overall. He had some good plays, he had some bad plays. Poor against the blitz.

This team isn't competing this year. It's a rebuilding year. The Defense is bad, 1-2 years away if they build it right. The offense is 8 weeks away if you ignore the right side of the O-Line as that will remain a problem for the rest of the season.

Russell Wilson is at times a magician, but he isn't a miracle worker.

Russell Wilson should be the last thing fans should be worrying about. Worry about the parts around him that can help him and make him better. That is what good teams do is support their franchise QB. The bad teams like the Colts, destroy their franchise QB.

Run D
Pass Rush
Cornerback Depth
O-Line (particularly RG & RT)
Penalties / Team Discipline
Carroll
Norton
Penny
ADB getting healthy

Are all higher on the list.

Pete is going to get his chance to rebuild it, and we'll see what he does. I don't trust him to make the right decisions anymore though, I've watched for 5 off-seasons what Carroll has done, 2018 draft class aside, it ain't pretty.
He could easily prove the skeptics wrong (including myself) though If he can quickly rebuild the defense.

 

[semiahmoo]

I wonder how much of Russ's not getting rid of the ball problem is his size.
They said this year they were going for more short timing passes.
Can he see the guy on the quick slant, the quick out, the short crossing pattern?

Good point even if it's one some in here don't like to hear.

Take away the crushing running game we used to have and RW's smaller stature issues have been magnified. Teams don't have to worry about the run nearly as much so focus on collapsing the pocket around him. Now as Russ gets a little slower this makes it even more difficult for him to perform at (yes) an 'elite' level consistently.

Hoping the line continues to gel and we find a back who will play some much-needed smashmouth so Russ can be given a half-second more of breathing room out there. A chance to up his confidence levels could go a long ways into making him look like the QB we all hoped he'd evolve into.

 

[chris98251]

Not the same Ole Seahawks, they moved the ball, spread it around scored, we had miscues that took at least 13 points off the board in missed FG's and penalties. Going to Denver opening day at that Temp and Altitude we were already sucking wind so to speak, we came away with a loss on the score board but it very well could have been a win. Disappointed yes, but see a lot of tuning and fixes that can be made going forward.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Nowhere near the Same Old Seahawks.

One game sample size but they were scoring the 1st half.

Last year was awful. Awful enough I would have rather lost more games but have us actually scoring points in the 1st half. Because watching us 3 and out our way through 3 quarters was killing me.

We still have a feast or famine offense. Not happy with that.

We still struggle in the RZ but nowhere near as badly as before. We aren't '4 trips inside the 10 = 3 FGs and a missed FG' like we seemingly were before.

And we are learning a new system that will make our offense and hopefully defense better (prob not the defense).

I think people are freaking out (including me) because it is clear that with this bad a defense that most of us expected - we are not going to have the buzzsaw offense to offset it. There was an expectation we could run this offense out, score every 2nd possession or so and somehow still be in games.

Not likely or even rational to expect. But with this defense that was all we could hope for.

I am not sure how we could say a Seahawk team with lots of scoring and little defense even counts as SoS anyway.

 

[jammerhawk]

Heavens, what negativity.

RW played pretty well though at times he looked rattled by the pressure. The WRs had troubles getting separation and the team found success throwing to the TEs early but inexplicably went away from that to forcing RW to wait for slow developing routes that exposed the pass pro. Plays that developed quickly succeeded yesterday and those that didn't rarely succeeded if at all. Thought we saw a very mixed bag of results from the OLine some solid play and some very weak play as well.

Our pass rush was quite weak and at times Keenan had far too much time stepping up in the pocket to locate a WR breaking open late. To me I suspect the pass rush is going to be weak all season and that will expose the young CBs from time to time. As well it seemed to me the gap integrity which was a weakness last season is still an issue to be worked upon for the DLine.

But for missed FG this game could easily have had a happier result for the Hawks. SOS? Not to me, too soon for that to hung on this year's team.

 

[Own The West]

The only thing I’m mad about is that we were promised that we would run the ball — again.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

VERY good point. Don't claim you're a running then when you flat out choose to ignore it. And it was flat out working in the 1st half. :roll: