Russell Wilson ranked #5 QB age 25 and under at NFL.com

[mikeak]

1) As a Seahawk fan I am tired of all the Seahawk fans getting raging mad at any expert that doesn't think RW is the next Messiah. Of course he is but lets be open to the dialogue that he isn't.........

2) I wish not everything turned into Seahawks vs 49ers. This thread is in the NFL forum so I think it is very appropriate for 49er fans to comment but the discussion should be about all 5 qbs on the list with obvious understanding that it is more flavored on Seahawks and 49ers

With that said --

RG3 will be interesting this year. With more tapes on their system and coming off the injury can he do well. Cam Newton didn't do well as a pure pocket passer and Carolina didn't have success until they started running him more.

Cam Newton - look at the second part of last year and Carolina was a real tough out. Cam played very well once the running plays were introduced again. I expect the exact same this year with a new coaching staff. They could have picked up a mobile qb in the draft but stayed with Anderson and Clausen as backups so I think their system will be based on a pocket passer and once they go 1-5 the new coach will probably start running Cam some more. I still think Cam is a possible star qb but he needs the read option / run options in there to be succesful. He is not at the same level as Kaep, RW and Luck

Kaep -- He blew me away in the superbowl. I was very surprised of how good he looked compared to what I had seen previously. I will maintain that based on stats his major issue is scrambling to throw. He runs well and he throws well but he is not good at scrambling and throwing. If he corrects that then watch out

RW -- So this article complains about him holding the ball to long. I think every time he runs around looking for open players should be discounted. If a player can buy time for his receivers that aren't opening by scrambling around then that is done instead of throwing the ball away. It adds time and say you do it three times in a game 10 seconds per you now added about 7 seconds per play or 21 seconds total to the time you are holding the ball. 21 passing plays maybe and you add 1 second to your average making it look like you have a problem.

RW - Improvements I expect - seeing the open guys sooner and not overthrowing. He will get through the reads quicker and maybe even get back to an option that wasn't open. I expect a star this year as well

 

[loafoftatupu]

I don't get too caught up in some writer's rankings or perspective on any Seahawk player. These new QB's all have a stat or argument that can used to make them look like the best of the bunch or worst of the bunch. Getting worked up over it one way or another is as pointless as writing the piece was to begin with.

Niner fans are an infestation on this board. Here to man their post, to defend any Anti-Niner commentary like a Niner-Patriot. How dare we, as the Rebel Seahawk fans take pride in our own team when the Niners actually made it to the Super Bowl last year? They exist to stand for the truth.
:49ersmall:


If the writer wants to see what it looks like to hold onto the ball too long, then review some footage of TJack. THAT was holding the ball too long. RW extends plays in a ridiculous manner, a guy like TJack has an internal clock that is about 2 seconds slower than everyone else.

 

[pehawk]

Tjack would be perfect for radio; he's got a 7 second delay built in.

 

[loafoftatupu]

Tjack would be perfect for radio; he's got a 7 second delay built in.

That was SHOWTIME right there folks. Funny shit Pe.

 

[scutterhawk]

:idea: Maybe we're attacking this conversation from the wrong angle.
So here goes all you stat geeks > Russell Wilson is the undisputed #1 Quarterback under the age of 25 and under 6 foot.
Never mind the FACT that Wilsons passer rating for his last 10 games has settled any argument the 9rs might try to find to prop up Kaepericks numbers. :thirishdrinkers:

 

[formido]

:idea: Maybe we're attacking this conversation from the wrong angle.
So here goes all you stat geeks > Russell Wilson is the undisputed #1 Quarterback under the age of 25 and under 6 foot.
Never mind the FACT that Wilsons passer rating for his last 10 games has settled any argument the 9rs might try to find to prop up Kaepericks numbers. :thirishdrinkers:

From week 10 through the divisional round, the same period of time Wilson and Kap's seasons overlapped, Wilson led the NFL in both passer rating and ESPN's QBR.

[source: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/ ... f-pro-bowl]

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

:idea: Maybe we're attacking this conversation from the wrong angle.
So here goes all you stat geeks > Russell Wilson is the undisputed #1 Quarterback under the age of 25 and under 6 foot.
Never mind the FACT that Wilsons passer rating for his last 10 games has settled any argument the 9rs might try to find to prop up Kaepericks numbers. :thirishdrinkers:

From week 10 through the divisional round, the same period of time Wilson and Kap's seasons overlapped, Wilson led the NFL in both passer rating and ESPN's QBR.

[source: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/ ... f-pro-bowl]

I assume that's right around the time the training wheels came off?

 

[formido]

Luck being above Wilson is a travesty. The argument is that Luck had a worse team. That's nice, he also got incredibly lucky and played the easiest schedule in the NFL. Did Indy even cumulatively outscore their opponents last year? They outplayed their Pythagorean wins by a huge margin. Some of that was great end-of-game play by Luck, but much of it was plain old luck. This year, with a harder schedule, and his luck regressing to mean, his poor efficiency won't be carried by a good record.

Cam Newton puts up incredible counting stats, but efficiency wins games. No comparison.

RG3 is amazing. He's incredibly fast and a good passer. A reasonable argument can be made for putting him over Wilson, although I think it would be wrong. Like Kap, I think Shanahan's system helped him a ton. He's a brilliant coach who knows how to get the most out of players. Imagine if Seattle had built the team around Wilson and given him the full playbook from the beginning. It's tempting to wonder if we could have pushed harder on the read option earlier, too. At any rate, as mentioned earlier, Wilson improved so quickly during his rookie season that he was the best QB in the NFL over the last half of it.

 

[General Manager]

This is simply NFL.com. They seem to either love the Niners (which seems the case) or they just hate the Seahawks. Their "Power ranking" consisted of one person. Couldn't they find anyone else to agree with them?

Or, maybe you could attempt to look outside of your own bias and realize that there just might be people outside of the Pacific Northwest who just might think that the 49ers are better, and who just might think that Kaep might be a better QB. It's no knock on Wilson; he's a fantastic QB. What you all should really be mad at is the Luck/RGIII being 1-2... I don't agree with that at all.

This is something to seriously consider.

No it's not Wilson was the better QB last year on paper and on the field . He tide Manning for the rookie TD record and set the all time passing record in a playoff game by a rookie with 385 yards deal with it .

 

[formido]

:idea: Maybe we're attacking this conversation from the wrong angle.
So here goes all you stat geeks > Russell Wilson is the undisputed #1 Quarterback under the age of 25 and under 6 foot.
Never mind the FACT that Wilsons passer rating for his last 10 games has settled any argument the 9rs might try to find to prop up Kaepericks numbers. :thirishdrinkers:

From week 10 through the divisional round, the same period of time Wilson and Kap's seasons overlapped, Wilson led the NFL in both passer rating and ESPN's QBR.

[source: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/ ... f-pro-bowl]

I assume that's right around the time the training wheels came off?

I think that was week 6 against the Pats, but someone'd have to find the Carroll quotes to be sure. They started to trust him a little more around then and it accelerated from there. By week 10 he was rolling.

 

[kearly]

I think Pete said that the end of the Chicago game was when they finally decided to put things completely in Wilson's hands, though Wilson had been playing very well for weeks before that.

 

[Scottemojo]

I think Pete said that the end of the Chicago game was when they finally decided to put things completely in Wilson's hands, though Wilson had been playing very well for weeks before that.

It had to be that way. It is still going to be that way. Every accolade, every scrap of authority, every bit of respect Wilson gets he will have to take on his own, even from his coach who likes him. The mirror halves of the Atlanta game, the more I watch them, look like the first and 2nd halves of the season. First half, doggedly stick with what isn't working, 2nd half, just call plays and let Russell make adjustments at the line. The Miami loss was after Chicago, and the playcalls that ended our offensive chances reeked of taking the offense back out of Wilson's hands in a critical moment. I recall Pete ruing after that game not passing more, he knew it was there for the taking. Going into that game, Pete was determined that the run game was going to be the critical piece. I hate those kind of game plans, they are a constraint.

I really feel like the only limits this offense can have are philisophical. I don't think there is a defense in the league complete enough to stop Tate, Harvin, Rice, Baldwin, Miller, Lynch, Turbin, Ware, Robinson, and Michael, if Wilson is the guy primarily making the point guard decisions. When I list those names all at once, it is scary what the potential is.

At his town hall, Pete was proud of the fact that Seattle ran more than any other team in the league. That bothered me, I don't want us to have any target numbers about how much we pass or throw. This offense is multiple enough to not be bull headed in philosophy. I don't care if we pass 50 times or run 50 times, as long as we were taking advantage of the mismatches our offense should be able to create with every single personnel group.

 

[pehawk]

At his town hall, Pete was proud of the fact that Seattle ran more than any other team in the league. That bothered me, I don't want us to have any target numbers about how much we pass or throw. This offense is multiple enough to not be bull headed in philosophy. I don't care if we pass 50 times or run 50 times, as long as we were taking advantage of the mismatches our offense should be able to create with every single personnel group.

Yup. Eventually Pete has to morph this philosophy a bit. I'm hoping he won’t be to Wilson what Reeves was to Elway.

 

[loafoftatupu]

The Miami loss was after Chicago

I totally understand and agree with everything in your post except the bits that were tied to this. The Miami loss was the last time the Seahawks lost in the regular season. They finished the season on a 5 game winning streak and 6 if the playoff win is included. Something they hadn't done since 2005.

After that game, the offense rose up to another level. The Chicago game was a big turning point in that things got crazy efficient. The ratio of scoring drive vs. non scoring drive shot up in a big way until the Rams game where they almost seemed to dial things back a little, didnt take any real risks and eventually started moving the ball well later in the game anyways.

It was obvious that once all the tools were made available and Wilson was allowed to play, that they looked line they could score on anyone and did. The entire season, everything Wilson had to do, the few criticisms folks had of him were addressed and quickly.

You are right, with Wilson playing point guard, using the list of weapons at his disposal, he exceeded my expectations. Add someone like Harvin to the mix? Yikes...

Wilson has proven to spread the ball around to levels we haven't really seen before. Outside of Lynch running the ball, the passing game has been crazy-balanced. Very exciting to know.

Damn we are lucky fans lately.

 

[pcbball12]

I think Pete said that the end of the Chicago game was when they finally decided to put things completely in Wilson's hands, though Wilson had been playing very well for weeks before that.

It had to be that way. It is still going to be that way. Every accolade, every scrap of authority, every bit of respect Wilson gets he will have to take on his own, even from his coach who likes him. The mirror halves of the Atlanta game, the more I watch them, look like the first and 2nd halves of the season. First half, doggedly stick with what isn't working, 2nd half, just call plays and let Russell make adjustments at the line. The Miami loss was after Chicago, and the playcalls that ended our offensive chances reeked of taking the offense back out of Wilson's hands in a critical moment. I recall Pete ruing after that game not passing more, he knew it was there for the taking. Going into that game, Pete was determined that the run game was going to be the critical piece. I hate those kind of game plans, they are a constraint.

I really feel like the only limits this offense can have are philisophical. I don't think there is a defense in the league complete enough to stop Tate, Harvin, Rice, Baldwin, Miller, Lynch, Turbin, Ware, Robinson, and Michael, if Wilson is the guy primarily making the point guard decisions. When I list those names all at once, it is scary what the potential is.

At his town hall, Pete was proud of the fact that Seattle ran more than any other team in the league. That bothered me, I don't want us to have any target numbers about how much we pass or throw. This offense is multiple enough to not be bull headed in philosophy. I don't care if we pass 50 times or run 50 times, as long as we were taking advantage of the mismatches our offense should be able to create with every single personnel group.

The Miami game was the week before the Chicago game.

 

[formido]

At his town hall, Pete was proud of the fact that Seattle ran more than any other team in the league. That bothered me, I don't want us to have any target numbers about how much we pass or throw. This offense is multiple enough to not be bull headed in philosophy. I don't care if we pass 50 times or run 50 times, as long as we were taking advantage of the mismatches our offense should be able to create with every single personnel group.

Didn't we have a run/pass rate of 55% last year? I thought I saw that, but can't find a reference now. From what I've read, Carroll's ideal rate is 45%, so if we just loosened to that extent it would be a pretty major shift.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

At his town hall, Pete was proud of the fact that Seattle ran more than any other team in the league. That bothered me, I don't want us to have any target numbers about how much we pass or throw. This offense is multiple enough to not be bull headed in philosophy. I don't care if we pass 50 times or run 50 times, as long as we were taking advantage of the mismatches our offense should be able to create with every single personnel group.

Didn't we have a run/pass rate of 55% last year? I thought I saw that, but can't find a reference now. From what I've read, Carroll's ideal rate is 45%, so if we just loosened to that extent it would be a pretty major shift.

Yes it was 55%/45% now if his ideal is 45% rushing that would be absolutely perfect. If he could even get it to a 50/50 split it would be a huge improvement given the rules are set up to pass why not take advantage?

 

[RolandDeschain]

First half, doggedly stick with what isn't working, 2nd half, just call plays and let Russell make adjustments at the line.

Yet you got on my nuts when I made some very disparaging remarks about Bevell's play calling in the first half of that game.

We seriously could have gone 13-3 and gone to the Super Bowl if we had just had our offense work the same way in the first half as they did in the second half of several key games. If I see more of the same in 2013, I'm going to lose my damned mind; but, I think it's unlikely we'll be seeing more of that.

 

[hawker84]

Pete already said in that Town Hall meeting that this season, wilson will have no restrictions.. they're not holding anything back with him.. Yes the primary goal is to run and pound the ball, but he will have the entire passing scheme to work with from game 1 this season.

And i agree Roland, those conservative starts especially in the second half of the season where agonizing to watch...

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

I would just like to see them use Harvin correctly and use his big play ability right at the start of games because this is the type of team that if we get up 2 scores it will be game over and Pete will be able to run the ball to his heart's content.