Russell Wilson ranked #5 QB age 25 and under at NFL.com

[kearly]

Kaepernick will have a tough 2nd full year. He's incredibly gifted but I don't see a spot long term for a 1 read QB.

If you watch the videos posted on the page with his ranking, you will see him going to his 3rd and even 4th read on quite a few of the big plays.

Most of the time he's 1 read and run. When he does check reads, he typically waits a long time before moving on from his first. In this sense, I think he's basically at the same place Andy Dalton was in 2011. Dalton showed real growth in 2012.

I like Kaepernick. But he's the epitome of an athlete who's a QB. A mechanical QB. In terms of style he's more like T-Jack or Jake Locker than Wilson or RG3. If he were not in SF, I very much doubt he would be on this list at all.

 

[QuickLightning]

You really should watch the video on the article.

From the Super Bowl highlights:

1st play - 3rd read

2nd play - 2nd maybe 3rd read

3rd play - Flushed out on 2nd read, scrambles and still hits 2nd read.

4th play - MAYBE first read. Difficult to tell

5th play - 2nd or 3rd read.

Maybe he improved a lot during the season. But that definitely doesn't scream 1 read QB to me.

 

[scutterhawk]

Silly. Newton ahead of Wilson invalidates the whole thing for me.

But we need to understand that there are numerous rankings and it's subjective to the writer, and we will never have 100% agreement with where our guys end up.

I for one wouldn't use the word "Never" in this instance, because the lights have yet to come on for those evaluators.
Wilson will blow the doors off their theories within the next two Years, and possibly even as early as the 2013 Season.
They're going to feel like shmucks, the one's with any conscience that is, and for the others?, well it's well known, that "You Just Can't Fix Stupid"

 

[kearly]

You really should watch the video on the article.

Those are highlights, which by their nature are cherry-picked. I watched the games in their entirety, including many of his games in college. Also, I never said that Kaepernick is incapable of read progression. I said that he checks a second read rarely, and when he does he is highly deliberate about it. The typical Kaepernick play is 1 read and throw, or 1 read and run. Unsurprisingly, Kaepernick's numbers take a nose-dive when pressured. It only makes sense given that Kaepernick is the ultimate structure-dependent QB.

I scouted Kaepernick before the 2011 draft at Seahawks Draft Blog and even predicted he'd be the Seahawks 1st round pick that year. I was a fan. Still am. I think he's a dangerous QB, in his own kind of way. I groaned with pain when I saw SF move up to draft him. But he's not yet a QB that is comfortable making reads, and still looks to be far away from that point.

 

[General Manager]

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[NinerLifer]

Kaepernick will have a tough 2nd full year. He's incredibly gifted but I don't see a spot long term for a 1 read QB.

If you watch the videos posted on the page with his ranking, you will see him going to his 3rd and even 4th read on quite a few of the big plays.

Most of the time he's 1 read and run.

INCORRECT

Watching highlights of his, even from his first start against the Bears, he can be seen going through his progressions just fine. Watching EVERY Niner game last season, it is easy to see from the close up replays of his face during the games that he doesn't always rotate his head to look directly at the potential receivers, and instead uses his height to his advantage by only searching with his eyes. The prefect way apparently to make opposing teams believe he is locking onto a single receiver.

Starting to think that this whole "1 read QB" thing is just something that opposing fans have created to try to talk themselves into believing that he isn't as good as he showed the world last season. Possibly exaggerated upon from a few occasions during a pre-designed option play.

 

[mretrade]

Lots of wishful thinking regarding Kaepernick in this thread.

 

[NinerLifer]

Lots of wishful thinking regarding Kaepernick in this thread.

Whatever helps to create hope by opposing fans during the offseason I guess.

As stated above earlier, highlights are "cherry picked". However I see quite a few negative opinions that are caused by their own "cherry picking".

 

[Scottemojo]

First of all to all the butthurt lurking Niner fans, Yes, Papaki is not a one read QB. However, he is primarily a stacked read QB, and that is fact. It is what works for him right now. It is a handicap, but more than made up for by his athletic skills.

Second, it is clear to me that the writer of that story is gauging potential far more than actual results, and in that contest, Wilson will always lose to the 4 guys ahead of him. He shouldn't, but he will.

Third, go look up Papaki's red zone woes vs Wilson. Heck, look up all these guys. It is one of the most accurate forecasters of QB talent, and it says Griffen and Wilson are far ahead of the rest of the under 25 guys. It was red zone issues that cost your 6th trophy, it is a real problem, a problem that I sincerely hope Kaepernick never fixes, unless of course he ends up the backup for Wilson.

 

[SeaTown81]

I still can't for the life of me understand why so many 49er fans feel the need to post here in response to anything ever said about their team. I can think of a million better ways to spend my time than defend the Seahawks or Wilson on a Niner board.

And if you guys want to think that he doesn't make 1 read and take off on at least half of his plays, I don't know what to tell you. Even if Seattle fans overplay it, he still does it way more than you should feel entirely comfortable about. Not saying he can't improve and grow. But he's got a lot of holes in his game. Put him on a crap team and nobody is talking about him, let alone putting him on any top 5 lists.

 

[RolandDeschain]

I'm so tired of hearing about Kaepernick's tools. Being an NFL QB is 90% between the ears, which is why immobile quarterbacks like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are considered the best.

This is why I'm so confident in Wilson. Kaepernick's mind for the game doesn't scare anybody right now. This is something that can be improved, so we'll see if he does improve it and by how much; but to head off our resident 49ers fans before they object, if Kaepernick has such a fantastic mind for the game, why did it take a year-and-a-half for him to become the starting quarterback over a career mediocre one, and only because of injury at that despite all of his "tools"?

 

[RichNhansom]

Kaepernick will have a tough 2nd full year. He's incredibly gifted but I don't see a spot long term for a 1 read QB.

Not sure why you guys believe he is a one read QB.

Wilson misses eyeing wide open recovers down field which is possibly due to his height disadvantage. Kaep has been working on every aspect of his game this off season so far, including his progressions which you guys are way overreacting to. Wilson can't do anything about being short.

One thing can be improved upon by practice, the other can only be fixed by kicking in the knee caps of defensive linemen. Does that mean that Wilson can't hold a #1 spot long term since he will never get taller?

And obviously I am aware that I opened the flood gates since I said something negative about your golden child. The kids good with the potential to be great, just like all the QB's mentioned in that article, but he isn't perfect...just like the rest of the QB's mentioned in this article.

Yes Wilson is short but just like Wilson won't get taller Papaki's tiny hands are not going to grow more either and with 10 fumbles in 10 games, he has Dave Kreig worried about losing the fumble title. By the way 10 fumbles in 10 games is ridiculous and horrible ball security. You still have to add in his Int's. That's just bad.

This is simply NFL.com. They seem to either love the Niners (which seems the case) or they just hate the Seahawks. Their "Power ranking" consisted of one person. Couldn't they find anyone else to agree with them?

They changed up the schedule last year and again this year making both the Seahawks schedule more difficult while making the Niners schedule as easy as possible. If the Niners had to play either GB or NE at 10:00am they wouldn't even have won the division or if they played Atlanta at 10:00am they would have been watching the Falcons play against the Ravens.

It has been very consistent recently with the NFL.com site. Every time I see their rankings or reviews they are extremely generous to the Niners (ignoring ball security is not a reasonable way to evaluate) while grading the Seahawks harsher than any other professional site or expert not affiliated with NFL.com

I think someone high up in the NFL FO has a serious crush on the Niners and unfortunately they see us as the evil empire threatening to knock their precious baby off it's perch. No matter it's gonna happen like it or not so NFL FO had better get used to it.

 

[RufusPorter]

Yay niner fans trolling what could have been a good thread.

 

[RichNhansom]

First of all to all the butthurt lurking Niner fans, Yes, Papaki is not a one read QB. However, he is primarily a stacked read QB, and that is fact. It is what works for him right now. It is a handicap, but more than made up for by his athletic skills.

Second, it is clear to me that the writer of that story is gauging potential far more than actual results, and in that contest, Wilson will always lose to the 4 guys ahead of him. He shouldn't, but he will.

Third, go look up Papaki's red zone woes vs Wilson. Heck, look up all these guys. It is one of the most accurate forecasters of QB talent, and it says Griffen and Wilson are far ahead of the rest of the under 25 guys. It was red zone issues that cost your 6th trophy, it is a real problem, a problem that I sincerely hope Kaepernick never fixes, unless of course he ends up the backup for Wilson.

Add that to the tiny hands that lead to his fumblites and you have some real strong reason to drop him on that list but for fun go to the NFL.com page that talks about Papaki and shows his highlights. Go the the 2012 Kaepernick highlight reel towards the bottom and watch it. Now go watch it a second time and just remove the plays when he runs or that involve Michael Crabtree. Guess what, you have no highlight reel. That's pretty scary right there.

I get the feeling Papaki gonna be missing him some Crabtree and especially when defense slow down his running game. If I were a Niner fan I would be real worried but fortunately I am a Seahawks fan so I get to relish and laugh next year while Papaki struggles.

 

[NinerLifer]

First of all to all the butthurt lurking Niner fans, Yes, Papaki is not a one read QB. However, he is primarily a stacked read QB, and that is fact. It is what works for him right now. It is a handicap, but more than made up for by his athletic skills.

Second, it is clear to me that the writer of that story is gauging potential far more than actual results, and in that contest, Wilson will always lose to the 4 guys ahead of him. He shouldn't, but he will.

Third, go look up Papaki's red zone woes vs Wilson. Heck, look up all these guys. It is one of the most accurate forecasters of QB talent, and it says Griffen and Wilson are far ahead of the rest of the under 25 guys. It was red zone issues that cost your 6th trophy, it is a real problem, a problem that I sincerely hope Kaepernick never fixes, unless of course he ends up the backup for Wilson.

Add that to the tiny hands that lead to his fumblites and you have some real strong reason to drop him on that list but for fun go to the NFL.com page that talks about Papaki and shows his highlights. Go the the 2012 Kaepernick highlight reel towards the bottom and watch it. Now go watch it a second time and just remove the plays when he runs or that involve Michael Crabtree. Guess what, you have no highlight reel. That's pretty scary right there.

I get the feeling Papaki gonna be missing him some Crabtree and especially when defense slow down his running game. If I were a Niner fan I would be real worried but fortunately I am a Seahawks fan so I get to relish and laugh next year while Papaki struggles.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... kaepernick

"Kaepernick is in the best position of any of them to win titles quickly because of the coaching staff and talent that surrounds him."

The best thing to come across is a respected NEUTRAL analyst that agrees with your opinion. :0190l:

But in all seriousness guys, these articles mean nothing. Why let what analysts say emotionally effect you in a negative way? In order to win the division or go to a Superbowl, your QB doesn't have to be considered one of th top 3 QB's under 25...but it helps apparently! :th2thumbs:

 

[60niners]

This is simply NFL.com. They seem to either love the Niners (which seems the case) or they just hate the Seahawks. Their "Power ranking" consisted of one person. Couldn't they find anyone else to agree with them?

Or, maybe you could attempt to look outside of your own bias and realize that there just might be people outside of the Pacific Northwest who just might think that the 49ers are better, and who just might think that Kaep might be a better QB. It's no knock on Wilson; he's a fantastic QB. What you all should really be mad at is the Luck/RGIII being 1-2... I don't agree with that at all.

 

[NinerLifer]

This is simply NFL.com. They seem to either love the Niners (which seems the case) or they just hate the Seahawks. Their "Power ranking" consisted of one person. Couldn't they find anyone else to agree with them?

Or, maybe you could attempt to look outside of your own bias and realize that there just might be people outside of the Pacific Northwest who just might think that the 49ers are better, and who just might think that Kaep might be a better QB. It's no knock on Wilson; he's a fantastic QB. What you all should really be mad at is the Luck/RGIII being 1-2... I don't agree with that at all.

This is something to seriously consider.

 

[-The Glove-]

This is simply NFL.com. They seem to either love the Niners (which seems the case) or they just hate the Seahawks. Their "Power ranking" consisted of one person. Couldn't they find anyone else to agree with them?

Or, maybe you could attempt to look outside of your own bias and realize that there just might be people outside of the Pacific Northwest who just might think that the 49ers are better, and who just might think that Kaep might be a better QB. It's no knock on Wilson; he's a fantastic QB. What you all should really be mad at is the Luck/RGIII being 1-2... I don't agree with that at all.

This is something to seriously consider.

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[pinksheets]

All threads where someone even coughs and it kind of sounds like the word "49ers" are immediately ruined. Dialogue on .NET is choked off by Niner fans left to troll and interject in every other thread, it's a shame.

 

[AbsolutNET]

Niner fans, this thread is for Hawks fans to talk about Wilson. Just because your QB's name popped up, doesn't mean you get to come to our board and start hijacking our threads.