Russell Wilson’s talents held back by Carroll

[Cyrus12]

There was a lot of garbage time stat I flation but still looked good. Made the fantasy guys happy

 

[hawkfannj]

I was not aboard with Wilson's contract ; but I was wrong . He's shown again ; that when most of the team including the coaching staff falls apart ; he has the ability to shoulder the offense and give the team a chance to win . The Hawks would be totally screwed without him taking up the slack . IMO

That’s great and all for his pro bowl selection this year . But we are not the Seattle Wilson’s . We are putting way to much on him . Individuals win pro bowl selections teams win championships and right now we don’t have a team all we have is Russell Wilson It would seem.

That's not Wilson's fault. That is PCs fault. The reality is without him we would win 5 games.

Which kinda leads me back to my point as great as he is not gonna be able to shoulder the load by himself this mentality is old and stale.

 

[John63]

https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2...-stop-russell-wilson-is-brian-schottenheimer/

 

[John63]

I was not aboard with Wilson's contract ; but I was wrong . He's shown again ; that when most of the team including the coaching staff falls apart ; he has the ability to shoulder the offense and give the team a chance to win . The Hawks would be totally screwed without him taking up the slack . IMO

That’s great and all for his pro bowl selection this year . But we are not the Seattle Wilson’s . We are putting way to much on him . Individuals win pro bowl selections teams win championships and right now we don’t have a team all we have is Russell Wilson It would seem.

That's not Wilson's fault. That is PCs fault. The reality is without him we would win 5 games.

Which kinda leads me back to my point as great as he is not gonna be able to shoulder the load by himself this mentality is old and stale.

Ahh yet he has, and could have If they did not wait so long to let him.

 

[John63]

There was a lot of garbage time stat I flation but still looked good. Made the fantasy guys happy

Not really we had a chance and he has done it before.

 

[johnnyfever]

Yep, doesnt look like they have learned any lessons whatsoever. Super frustrating to watch these coaches make the same mistakes over and over again.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Another article that's out of date and relying on impressions. Wilson was heavily involved in the offense right from the start.

Besides, when are you supposed to run? "Stop running once you have a good QB with a big contract" is a flawed philosophy.

 

[chris98251]

What Wilson did yesterday has not been done since 1951, 400 plus yards passing and 50 yards rushing.

 

[John63]

Another article that's out of date and relying on impressions. Wilson was heavily involved in the offense right from the start.

Besides, when are you supposed to run? "Stop running once you have a good QB with a big contract" is a flawed philosophy.

He was not heavily involved in the right way. Calling plays were the ball is thrown behind the LOS while the player is running laterally is not the right involvement.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Another article that's out of date and relying on impressions. Wilson was heavily involved in the offense right from the start.

Besides, when are you supposed to run? "Stop running once you have a good QB with a big contract" is a flawed philosophy.

He was not heavily involved in the right way. Calling plays were the ball is thrown behind the LOS while the player is running laterally is not the right involvement.

Just because you don't like the pass play that's called, doesn't mean the play is suddenly and magically a run.

 

[Hawkpower]

Another article that's out of date and relying on impressions. Wilson was heavily involved in the offense right from the start.

Besides, when are you supposed to run? "Stop running once you have a good QB with a big contract" is a flawed philosophy.

He was not heavily involved in the right way. Calling plays were the ball is thrown behind the LOS while the player is running laterally is not the right involvement.

Maybe yesterday it was.

Did you notice him throw like 4 straight passes short in the 2nd half?

Miss a wide open Lockett in the endzone?

Perhaps it was the rain, or perhaps it was one of the moments where Russ (and all QB's) are just a bit off, but sometimes the short lateral passing game can help to mitigate a QB having (temporary) accuracy issues.

I typically like Russ pushing it down the field too, but he definitely missed some key throws yesterday.

 

[John63]

Another article that's out of date and relying on impressions. Wilson was heavily involved in the offense right from the start.

Besides, when are you supposed to run? "Stop running once you have a good QB with a big contract" is a flawed philosophy.

He was not heavily involved in the right way. Calling plays were the ball is thrown behind the LOS while the player is running laterally is not the right involvement.

Just because you don't like the pass play that's called, doesn't mean the play is suddenly and magically a run.

I never said run, I agreed he was not involved led enough and more specifically in the right way.

 

[John63]

Another article that's out of date and relying on impressions. Wilson was heavily involved in the offense right from the start.

Besides, when are you supposed to run? "Stop running once you have a good QB with a big contract" is a flawed philosophy.

He was not heavily involved in the right way. Calling plays were the ball is thrown behind the LOS while the player is running laterally is not the right involvement.

Maybe yesterday it was.

Did you notice him throw like 4 straight passes short in the 2nd half?

Miss a wide open Lockett in the endzone?

Perhaps it was the rain, or perhaps it was one of the moments where Russ (and all QB's) are just a bit off, but sometimes the short lateral passing game can help to mitigate a QB having (temporary) accuracy issues.

I typically like Russ pushing it down the field too, but he definitely missed some key throws yesterday.

Ahh so all those in the first half got nothing was okay. A couple of pad passes happen to every qb in a game
However of you are not waiting till it's all but over to turn it over to your qb those couple of mis fires dont matter much. When you wait so long to give it to your qb your force the qb to be perfect which is hard to repeat over and over again.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Another article that's out of date and relying on impressions. Wilson was heavily involved in the offense right from the start.

Besides, when are you supposed to run? "Stop running once you have a good QB with a big contract" is a flawed philosophy.

He was not heavily involved in the right way. Calling plays were the ball is thrown behind the LOS while the player is running laterally is not the right involvement.

Just because you don't like the pass play that's called, doesn't mean the play is suddenly and magically a run.

I never said run, I agreed he was not involved led enough and more specifically in the right way.

You weren't clear on what you were saying one way or the other, and you linked to an article that said

At that point, it seemed that the Seahawks finally wanted to put their offense behind Wilson’s arm.

put the game plan into the hands of his quarterback

This is the frustrating part of the debate. Nobody is talking about the virtues of downfield vs the shorter stuff; it's all generic statements like above, which have a wholly different meaning. It's all dragging down the debate.

(Though really, I could have told you that Seahawks Wire is pretty much the fluffiest and least substantial outlet on Seahawks Twitter.)

 

[John63]

He was not heavily involved in the right way. Calling plays were the ball is thrown behind the LOS while the player is running laterally is not the right involvement.

Just because you don't like the pass play that's called, doesn't mean the play is suddenly and magically a run.

I never said run, I agreed he was not involved led enough and more specifically in the right way.

You weren't clear on what you were saying one way or the other, and you linked to an article that said

At that point, it seemed that the Seahawks finally wanted to put their offense behind Wilson’s arm.

put the game plan into the hands of his quarterback

This is the frustrating part of the debate. Nobody is talking about the virtues of downfield vs the shorter stuff; it's all generic statements like above, which have a wholly different meaning. It's all dragging down the debate.

(Though really, I could have told you that Seahawks Wire is pretty much the fluffiest and least substantial outlet on Seahawks Twitter.)

So allow me to clarify, short passing is 3-5 yards, usually slants, quick s etc. What we did I the first half was lateral throws behind the los that gained nothing.

 

[chris98251]

Just because you don't like the pass play that's called, doesn't mean the play is suddenly and magically a run.

I never said run, I agreed he was not involved led enough and more specifically in the right way.

You weren't clear on what you were saying one way or the other, and you linked to an article that said

At that point, it seemed that the Seahawks finally wanted to put their offense behind Wilson’s arm.

put the game plan into the hands of his quarterback

This is the frustrating part of the debate. Nobody is talking about the virtues of downfield vs the shorter stuff; it's all generic statements like above, which have a wholly different meaning. It's all dragging down the debate.

(Though really, I could have told you that Seahawks Wire is pretty much the fluffiest and least substantial outlet on Seahawks Twitter.)

So allow me to clarify, short passing is 3-5 yards, usually slants, quick s etc. What we did I the first half was lateral throws behind the los that gained nothing.

Really what those were meant to accomplish was stretch the defense out and hopefully create better running lanes, set up plays to keep the defense honest, if they cheated inside too much they could break for gains. Chess match plays.

 

[5_Golden_Rings]

Can you imagine McVay or Shanahan with Wilson? One can dream.
Seems like we always play not to lose.

Payton would have him throwing for 400 yards every game.

What about Kyle Shanahan, who according to you is worse than Brian Schottenheimer? :stirthepot:

 

[John63]

I never said run, I agreed he was not involved led enough and more specifically in the right way.

You weren't clear on what you were saying one way or the other, and you linked to an article that said

At that point, it seemed that the Seahawks finally wanted to put their offense behind Wilson’s arm.

put the game plan into the hands of his quarterback

This is the frustrating part of the debate. Nobody is talking about the virtues of downfield vs the shorter stuff; it's all generic statements like above, which have a wholly different meaning. It's all dragging down the debate.

(Though really, I could have told you that Seahawks Wire is pretty much the fluffiest and least substantial outlet on Seahawks Twitter.)

So allow me to clarify, short passing is 3-5 yards, usually slants, quick s etc. What we did I the first half was lateral throws behind the los that gained nothing.

Really what those were meant to accomplish was stretch the defense out and hopefully create better running lanes, set up plays to keep the defense honest, if they cheated inside too much they could break for gains. Chess match plays.

We lost and it was obvious after the first couple and yet again they waited and this time to long.

 

[justafan]

Fundementals and execution still win games. The better TEAM won Sunday.

They blocked better,they tackled better,they played smarter football,they won the field position game.they had the better punter,better special teams. They were more intelligent from the coaches down to the players on the field. They capitalised on all of our mistakes.

The loss wasnt because we threw a half a dozen 3 yrd passes or didnt throw enough. It was the worst game i have ever seen a Pete coached team play and we will probably never see that again.

 

[getnasty]

Can you imagine McVay or Shanahan with Wilson? One can dream.
Seems like we always play not to lose.

Once again with all the numbers that those guys have put up and you can add Reid, and Sean Peyton they haven't been as successful as Pete. Numbers are great, but who cares if you don't win. Look at last game as an example. NO took care of the ball, stopped the run, forced some turnovers, didn't make any mistakes and won the game eventhough they were out gained by 250 yards.