Rumor: Seahawks talking to Giants about Kam trade

[A-Dog]

Kam has to play 6 games to get an accrued season. If he sits out the entire year. He would still have 3 years left on his oontract. He has to play. The FO holds all the leverage.

It is the most baffling hold out I have ever seen. His deal isn't outdated he is still the highest paid SS in the NFL (Eric Berry is on a rookie deal from the old CBA).

I think what sparked this in Kam is seeing Kerry Williams get 7 mil. And Byron Maxwell get 10 mil. Sherm got 14 mil, Earl got 10 mil. Kam is looking at his 7 apy like fug this. But contracts are negotiated by position and he is the highest paid box safety he has no argument, and no leverage.

So if Kam wants to be hard headed let him. he will have to report by week 12 or he loses an accrued season.

Trading him makes no sense either because you would lose cap space and gain a measly middle round pick for the best and already highest paid SS in the game.

Sure, and we get him back for the end of the season and the playoffs.

But his absence puts home field advantage in serious jeopardy. I don't think guaranteeing next year is a big deal to the hawks money-wise (assuming that would be enough to get Kam to report). Setting a precedent is the issue. The tradeoff is putting a title at risk vs setting a bad precedent. Personally I'd take the tradeoff.

 

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Kam has to play 6 games to get an accrued season. If he sits out the entire year. He would still have 3 years left on his oontract. He has to play. The FO holds all the leverage.

It is the most baffling hold out I have ever seen. His deal isn't outdated he is still the highest paid SS in the NFL (Eric Berry is on a rookie deal from the old CBA).

I think what sparked this in Kam is seeing Kerry Williams get 7 mil. And Byron Maxwell get 10 mil. Sherm got 14 mil, Earl got 10 mil. Kam is looking at his 7 apy like fug this. But contracts are negotiated by position and he is the highest paid box safety he has no argument, and no leverage.

So if Kam wants to be hard headed let him. he will have to report by week 12 or he loses an accrued season.

Trading him makes no sense either because you would lose cap space and gain a measly middle round pick for the best and already highest paid SS in the game.

Sure, and we get him back for the end of the season and the playoffs.

But his absence puts home field advantage in serious jeopardy. I don't think guaranteeing next year is a big deal to the hawks money-wise (assuming that would be enough to get Kam to report). Setting a precedent is the issue. The tradeoff is putting a title at risk vs setting a bad precedent. Personally I'd take the tradeoff.

And Michael Bennett immediately starts his holdout.

 

[A-Dog]

Kam has to play 6 games to get an accrued season. If he sits out the entire year. He would still have 3 years left on his oontract. He has to play. The FO holds all the leverage.

It is the most baffling hold out I have ever seen. His deal isn't outdated he is still the highest paid SS in the NFL (Eric Berry is on a rookie deal from the old CBA).

I think what sparked this in Kam is seeing Kerry Williams get 7 mil. And Byron Maxwell get 10 mil. Sherm got 14 mil, Earl got 10 mil. Kam is looking at his 7 apy like fug this. But contracts are negotiated by position and he is the highest paid box safety he has no argument, and no leverage.

So if Kam wants to be hard headed let him. he will have to report by week 12 or he loses an accrued season.

Trading him makes no sense either because you would lose cap space and gain a measly middle round pick for the best and already highest paid SS in the game.

Sure, and we get him back for the end of the season and the playoffs.

But his absence puts home field advantage in serious jeopardy. I don't think guaranteeing next year is a big deal to the hawks money-wise (assuming that would be enough to get Kam to report). Setting a precedent is the issue. The tradeoff is putting a title at risk vs setting a bad precedent. Personally I'd take the tradeoff.

And Michael Bennett immediately starts his holdout.

Well we have a pretty good replacement for him lined up who will have a year of NFL experience under his belt after this year. Bennett is not going to start a holdout now, and he is likely to hold our again next year anyway. If he refuses to report in 2016 there are a lot of teams that would give up quite a bit for him in a trade.

 

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And Michael Bennett immediately starts his holdout.

Well we have a pretty good replacement for him lined up who will have a year of NFL experience under his belt after this year. Bennett is not going to start a holdout now, and he is likely to hold our again next year anyway. If he refuses to report in 2016 there are a lot of teams that would give up quite a bit for him in a trade.

How do you know Bennett wouldn't hold out? From his perspective doing all the right things got him no where, While Kam held out, and got his way. Bennett would have to strongly consider holding out ASAP.

When Kuechly gets paid next off season whats to stop Wagner from holding out.

Sherm has another great season, and some other corner breaks the bank, Sherm decides to hold out.

Russell Wilson sees Luck break the bank decides to hold out.

You cannot open pandora's box.

 

[Cyrus12]

Percy Chancellor may not be so popular in the locker room anymore...oh I mean Kam...

 

[Phoenix]

"Rumblings among NFL execs and agents about Kam Chancellor perhaps seeking a trade. He hasn't been granted permission to speak to other clubs" 11
posted by Danny Kelly on Sep 05, 2015

Rumblings among NFL execs and agents about Kam Chancellor perhaps seeking a trade. He hasn't been granted permission to speak to other clubs
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) September 5, 2015

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/9/5/...gents-about-kam-chancellor-perhaps/in/9024318

 

[Hawks46]

We're not getting Odell Beckham or Danny Shelton or Julio Jones for Kam Chancellor. Nobody cares about safeties, especially really expensive ones with injuries each of the past two seasons that have proven they will hold out even when paid as one of the higher in their position. We're talking 4th rounder here, maybe a 3rd. Maybe a halfway decent lineman, but that is really a stretch at this point of the year.

This is so true. Think about it, you have player that is paid the top at his position, and top 5 in safeties in the league, with 2 years left on his deal and he's holding out for more. What GM wants to deal with that ?

I'm not even sure how great Kam would be outside of this scheme.

That said, I can totally see the Giants at least picking up the phone and making an inquiry. They are desperate for safety help right now. They've had like 5 injuries at the position so far this year and they're literally signing guys off the street.

 

[Kamcussionator]

If he wants to sit out the season to prove a point, he will never recover his lost earnings from this season. He will be a year older, his career window a year shorter, and he will have established himself as a mercenary as opposed to someone who's dedicated to winning. Good luck with that.

Pete's mantra is, "Win forever", and I believe we will move on and be fine if Kam goes all A-Rod and gets himself shipped to a non-contender with cap space.

I'm not going to root for an idiot or an a-hole though. If we drop the Rams game because Gurley trucks Bailey for the game winner, I'm starting a new .net account...

 

[SeaMeat]

If we drop the Rams game because Gurley trucks Bailey for the game winner, I'm starting a new .net account...

No Gurly for week one.

Or so I have read.

 

[Osprey12]

I really hope we don't trade him for the same reason I hope we don't renegotiate his contract. If he gets traded the new team will have a new contract for him before he leaves Seatac, it will just show other players if you're not happy with your contract all you need to do is sit out and force your way out of town to get your new contract.

 

[RastaHawk12!]

Sounds like we are just trying to scare Kam to be honest. If the prospect of playing on the Giants doesn't do it I don't what will.

No, it sounds like some a$$clown trying to get attention for himself by pulling things out of his most southern oriface.

Made me laugh! :mrgreen:

 

[TwistedHusky]

The stupidity of trading Kam would be legion.

Whatever goodwill this FO has would be offset by the idiocy of trading a HOF quality safety that is the heart & soul of your defense in order to keep from budging on the #s.

Pay Kam. Adjust his #s, do what you need to do. I don't care about precedent. The precedent needs to be that if you play HOF caliber ball and demand a new deal, then maybe you get it. Since there are really only 4 people playing HOF quality ball on the Hawks (Lynch, Kam, Sherman and maybe Earl) you adjust their deals to make sure there is more guaranteed money. Anyone on a HOF track would have earned it.

As for the line? Well, play HOF quality ball and we will discuss moving the #s otherwise get back out and play better.

But the alternative, trying to trade him to save face and keep your rigid deal structure in place? That ends up with you losing more than you gain. You are not getting another HOF quality safety and you won't even get a 1st round quality pick in compensation. So what is the gain? A crappy 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick that will never really impact the team (give the # of picks vs success rate of them on a per pick basis) and removing at least 20-30% of your secondaries effectiveness (if not more considering your non-Sherman corner was supposedly going to be more effective BECAUSE of the safeties).

Kam needs to be a Seahawk or the team needs to hold firm. But trading him for anything would be "Trading for Harvin" level of stupid.

 

[JSeahawks]

If he doesnt want to show up and play for the Seahawks i've got no problem trading him for the best deal we can get. Its like my main man Chip Kelly used to say on the recruiting trail.... we can win with you, or we can win without you.

 

[Cartire]

The stupidity of trading Kam would be legion.

Whatever goodwill this FO has would be offset by the idiocy of trading a HOF quality safety that is the heart & soul of your defense in order to keep from budging on the #s.

Pay Kam. Adjust his #s, do what you need to do. I don't care about precedent. The precedent needs to be that if you play HOF caliber ball and demand a new deal, then maybe you get it. Since there are really only 4 people playing HOF quality ball on the Hawks (Lynch, Kam, Sherman and maybe Earl) you adjust their deals to make sure there is more guaranteed money. Anyone on a HOF track would have earned it.

As for the line? Well, play HOF quality ball and we will discuss moving the #s otherwise get back out and play better.

But the alternative, trying to trade him to save face and keep your rigid deal structure in place? That ends up with you losing more than you gain. You are not getting another HOF quality safety and you won't even get a 1st round quality pick in compensation. So what is the gain? A crappy 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick that will never really impact the team (give the # of picks vs success rate of them on a per pick basis) and removing at least 20-30% of your secondaries effectiveness (if not more considering your non-Sherman corner was supposedly going to be more effective BECAUSE of the safeties).

Kam needs to be a Seahawk or the team needs to hold firm. But trading him for anything would be "Trading for Harvin" level of stupid.

I agree with this.

Bennett can hold out all he wants next year if he thinks Kam sets a precedent. He's not HOF quality, and Frank Clark is dying to take his spot. Some players deserve the notion. Lynch got money moved forward because we wouldnt have made it to the bowl without him, and thats pretty much a fact.

 

[Hawkfan77]

The stupidity of trading Kam would be legion.

Whatever goodwill this FO has would be offset by the idiocy of trading a HOF quality safety that is the heart & soul of your defense in order to keep from budging on the #s.

Pay Kam. Adjust his #s, do what you need to do. I don't care about precedent. The precedent needs to be that if you play HOF caliber ball and demand a new deal, then maybe you get it. Since there are really only 4 people playing HOF quality ball on the Hawks (Lynch, Kam, Sherman and maybe Earl) you adjust their deals to make sure there is more guaranteed money. Anyone on a HOF track would have earned it.

As for the line? Well, play HOF quality ball and we will discuss moving the #s otherwise get back out and play better.

But the alternative, trying to trade him to save face and keep your rigid deal structure in place? That ends up with you losing more than you gain. You are not getting another HOF quality safety and you won't even get a 1st round quality pick in compensation. So what is the gain? A crappy 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick that will never really impact the team (give the # of picks vs success rate of them on a per pick basis) and removing at least 20-30% of your secondaries effectiveness (if not more considering your non-Sherman corner was supposedly going to be more effective BECAUSE of the safeties).

Kam needs to be a Seahawk or the team needs to hold firm. But trading him for anything would be "Trading for Harvin" level of stupid.

If only Kam was that important, which he is not. He's not worth more than this team, don't care about your sentimental feelings towards him.

I choose this team over one selfish player. Trade him if he doesn't report, or just let him sit on his you know what not collecting his checks and then when he tries to report in week 10, bench him.

 

[CalgaryHawk]

If he doesnt want to show up and play for the Seahawks i've got no problem trading him for the best deal we can get. Its like my main man Chip Kelly used to say on the recruiting trail.... we can win with you, or we can win without you.

I agree. Of course, Kam is much likelier a much better player than any 1st, 2nd or 3rd round draft pick we get for trading him would turn out being. But if he is just going to hold out for the season, then he's useless to the Hawks and is simply taking up potential cap space you could use to sign a player who can help your team this year. And so if I'm JS I listen to trade offers and if a great offer comes along then you take it. Maybe in week 4, some contender will lose their starting safety and be desperate enough to trade the Hawks a 1st and a 2nd rounder for him. Even if Kam returns in week 10, he won't be as effective after not playing football all year and is more likely to get injured if he's not in football shape. And if he holds out this year with 3 years left on his contract, then he may decide to hold out again next year with 2 years left on his contract.

 

[MrThortan]

"NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported that the Giants and other teams have reached out to the Seahawks to gauge their interest in dealing for him, including the New York Giants. But Rapoport said the Seahawks have not been willing to entertain any trade talks."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... chancellor

 

[A-Dog]

People are underrating Kam's value. When he's not hurt he has a Ronnie Lott / Kenny Easley / Sean Taylor kind of impact on the game.

It's going to be really difficult to win a title this year without Kam. Not as difficult as it would be without Marshawn, but if he's not on the team I'd estimate our odds of a title drop by about 50%.

Other players can hold out if they want, and if they do they can sit or get traded. Even Bennett, who is Pro-Bowl level, I would put in that category, especially with what Frank Clark is showing.

What would have the 49ers done without Ronnie Lott?

 

[HawkFan72]

"NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported that the Giants and other teams have reached out to the Seahawks to gauge their interest in dealing for him, including the New York Giants. But Rapoport said the Seahawks have not been willing to entertain any trade talks."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... chancellor

This made me laugh. Think the Giants are interested?

 

[Hawk-Lock]

People are underrating Kam's value. When he's not hurt he has a Ronnie Lott / Kenny Easley / Sean Taylor kind of impact on the game.

It's going to be really difficult to win a title this year without Kam. Not as difficult as it would be without Marshawn, but if he's not on the team I'd estimate our odds of a title drop by about 50%.

Other players can hold out if they want, and if they do they can sit or get traded. Even Bennett, who is Pro-Bowl level, I would put in that category, especially with what Frank Clark is showing.

What would have the 49ers done without Ronnie Lott?

Kam is a great player, but he does play a position that is probably one of the least valued positions in the NFL. There is no doubt he is one of the leaders of the team, but he does not have the impact that Russell, Marshawn, Wagner or ET have. I hesitated to say Sherman because like free safety, corner is not what I would consider an impact position.