Rumor: Seahawks talking to Giants about Kam trade

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http://www.fieldgulls.com/seahawks-analysis/2015/9/6/9267631/kam-chancellor-holdout-seahawks-nfl

"The consequences of setting a business precedent are far worse than losing Kam Chancellor."

 

[QuahHawk]

If Jax or Atlanta offered their 2nd round in 2016 I think a trade would be heavily considered.

It would look best if we could get a 1st round pick but I don't think a team who is likely to have a top 10 pick is going to give it up for Kam.

Adding Kam to young D could help turn an Avg defense into a top 10 by leading a culture change on the entire D.

If we played all year without Kam we would probably go from the #1 Defense to still being a Top 3 Defense. If our offense improves on 3rd down and in the red zone like I expect it too, it will benefit the D more than expected and could still come out as the #1 D without Kam.

Kam is just not as valuable as he thinks he is. If we lost Earl or Sherman I don't think we could hide the weaknesses and would not finish a top 5 D.

 

[Bobblehead]

I think there is a big difference in the Kam and Lynch contract situation.

Lynch was ending his contract and got a extension.

Kam is in the beginning and seems to want a new contract.

I think that is a big difference.

As far as draft compensation goes.

look at the past. Colts give up a 1st for Trent Richardson.
Hawks give up a lot for the turd.
and Kam is better than any of those players plus he's early in his contract.

 

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If Jax or Atlanta offered their 2nd round in 2016 I think a trade would be heavily considered.

It would look best if we could get a 1st round pick but I don't think a team who is likely to have a top 10 pick is going to give it up for Kam.

Adding Kam to young D could help turn an Avg defense into a top 10 by leading a culture change on the entire D.

If we played all year without Kam we would probably go from the #1 Defense to still being a Top 3 Defense. If our offense improves on 3rd down and in the red zone like I expect it too, it will benefit the D more than expected and could still come out as the #1 D without Kam.

Kam is just not as valuable as he thinks he is. If we lost Earl or Sherman I don't think we could hide the weaknesses and would not finish a top 5 D.

A trade would be a win for Kam, you can't let him win.

Players next year would do the same as Kam. Holdout and then wait to get traded.

Seattle must continue to hold the line.

 

[Exittium]

I'm overall disappointed in Kam. He's not being a "teammate" he's being childish. My son asked me if we could go shopping, I asked him why? He response: "I want a new jersey, I don't want Kams anymore" As a parent that sucks, especially when your kid is like a "superfan" of Kams. So he then proceeded to put his Kam jersey in a box, and had me put it up in his closet and we went out and bought him a new Wagner Jersey.

Kam cares about Kam, Kam doesn't care about the fans, he cares about money, Kam doesn't care about his team, he cares about money, and lastly Kam sure as hell isn't a teammate. Kam wants money, yet knows Seattle can't offer anything right now. Seattle has done more than they needed to, but Kam keeps turning them down.

If Kam "cared" (all pun intended for his charity) he would have showed up. He would have continued to lead and set positive examples. He'd be out on that training field with his teammates. He would have been at training camp with his fans and he'd BE IN SEATTLE.

Next man up.

 

[QuahHawk]

Not a fan of all the Kam bashing. He has done so much for this organization. He was a part of possibly the greatest secondary ever. As much as I don't like him holding out, there is a reason for it. We can speculate all we want but if he knows his body and his financial situation better than any one of us. He isn't holding out for fun, and you know it hurts him to do this to his teammates.

 

[massari]

If Jax or Atlanta offered their 2nd round in 2016 I think a trade would be heavily considered.

It would look best if we could get a 1st round pick but I don't think a team who is likely to have a top 10 pick is going to give it up for Kam.

Seattle is in no rush to trade Kam since he's under contract for 3 more years. If they trade him for just a 2nd rounder, I will probably snap lol. They have time to wait for the right deal.

I'd say he's worth a mid 1st+3rd+5th. Something along those lines.

 

[Rob12]

Not a fan of all the Kam bashing. He has done so much for this organization. He was a part of possibly the greatest secondary ever. As much as I don't like him holding out, there is a reason for it. We can speculate all we want but if he knows his body and his financial situation better than any one of us. He isn't holding out for fun, and you know it hurts him to do this to his teammates.

Do you look at what the Seahawks have done for him? You're being a bit one sided about this, don't you think?

Kam was the first of the core players to get paid. At the time, there were plenty of opinions floating around that the deal was too much for a player that was simply pretty good. I remember getting called out on FB by fans of opposing teams asking me why our FO would hand out a massive contract like that.

It turned out great for him and the Seahawks. He said he was extremely blessed just two years ago when he signed the deal.

He's acting like a spoiled brat. If he's hurt or somehow broke, he could have went about it in a different way.

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I'd take a first and second for him. But nothing less than that. If that never happened, I'm more than content with Kam sitting the year out. And the next. And the next.

Seahawks can't and won't cave. It's not just about precedent. It's about doing what's right and the best for your organization.

 

[Tech Worlds]

I'm overall disappointed in Kam. He's not being a "teammate" he's being childish. My son asked me if we could go shopping, I asked him why? He response: "I want a new jersey, I don't want Kams anymore" As a parent that sucks, especially when your kid is like a "superfan" of Kams. So he then proceeded to put his Kam jersey in a box, and had me put it up in his closet and we went out and bought him a new Wagner Jersey.

Kam cares about Kam, Kam doesn't care about the fans, he cares about money, Kam doesn't care about his team, he cares about money, and lastly Kam sure as hell isn't a teammate. Kam wants money, yet knows Seattle can't offer anything right now. Seattle has done more than they needed to, but Kam keeps turning them down.

If Kam "cared" (all pun intended for his charity) he would have showed up. He would have continued to lead and set positive examples. He'd be out on that training field with his teammates. He would have been at training camp with his fans and he'd BE IN SEATTLE.

Next man up.

This is exactly how it is.

Bennett isn't happy either, yet he's in there for his teammates. Bennett is 10 times the teammate Kam is.

I just dropped him from Twitter.

 

[Exittium]

Not a fan of all the Kam bashing. He has done so much for this organization. He was a part of possibly the greatest secondary ever. As much as I don't like him holding out, there is a reason for it. We can speculate all we want but if he knows his body and his financial situation better than any one of us. He isn't holding out for fun, and you know it hurts him to do this to his teammates.

Do you look at what the Seahawks have done for him? You're being a bit one sided about this, don't you think?

Kam was the first of the core players to get paid. At the time, there were plenty of opinions floating around that the deal was too much for a player that was simply pretty good. I remember getting called out on FB by fans of opposing teams asking me why our FO would hand out a massive contract like that.

It turned out great for him and the Seahawks. He said he was extremely blessed just two years ago when he signed the deal.

He's acting like a spoiled brat. If he's hurt or somehow broke, he could have went about it in a different way.

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I'd take a first and second for him. But nothing less than that. If that never happened, I'm more than content with Kam sitting the year out. And the next. And the next.

Seahawks can't and won't cave. It's not just about precedent. It's about doing what's right and the best for your organization.

This is the most important thing right here.

 

[RiverDog]

ESPN guys thing about a 1st and a 3rd would be fair.

We wouldn't get anything close to a 1st and a 3rd. Kam is a strong safety, and despite his All Pro qualities, no one is going to put that many resources, which would include a monster contract, into that position. We would be lucky to get just the #1.

I don't see an easy way out of this mess. There's no way we would be able to get any value out of a trade and there's no way the team can cave in while Kam needs something to allow him to save face. It wouldn't be a good thing for him or us to have him come back with his tail between his legs.

Something has to be going on with Kam. Perhaps he's lost his desire for the game, or simply isn't ready physically and/or mentally to start the season. This is weird, has a Percy Harvin type smell to it (not that Kam's personality is anywhere near Harvin's), an irrational absence that can't be explained. He's not a prima donna like Harvin was, but a reasonable explanation is no easier to be found.

Well, when we traded Easley it was for Kelly Stouffer, who was the 6th overall pick the year before but held out the entire year. When his kidney issues surfaced we gave them our 1st and two 5ths instead. Easley was 29 at the time and had been injured in previous seasons. Kam is 27. So a 1st and a 3rd for Kam doesn't sound far-fetched to me at all. I personally wouldn't do this deal at all unless it was for two likely mid-to-high #1 picks. Even then I might not do it.

First of all, Easley was a free safety, Kam's a strong safety. Secondly, the safety position has changed dramatically since Easley's day. It's going on 30 years ago. Teams don't run as much now as they did then, so the importance of the safety isn't as high as it was when Easley was playing. And lastly, as good as Kam is, he's no Kenny Easley. The ONLY reason Easley isn't in the HOF is because his career was a couple of years too short. He was arguably the best defensive player in the league. Kam's not even the best defensive player on his team.

 

[Seahwkgal]

TWITTER RUMOR folks!!!! Seriously, no trade. Kam is being an ass, he's holding out and the Hawks will be playing without him for most of the year. I stand behind the team. If he does play, it will be as a Seahawk and nobody else. Let's just stop it and look forward to the season of a team that wants to play. Mmmm Kay?
There is a lot to look forward to. Lockett? Clark? Lynch? Wilson? Sherman? Thomas? JG? I don't know about you but I am jonesin for some football. There is nothing we can do about the hold out. Nothing at all. BRING IT ON!!!!

 

[Maulbert]

If they want to give us something crazy like 2 firsts, then yeah, I'd take that.

But other teams seem to expect us to dump him for a third or fourth rounder, to which I say:

 

[WilsonMVP]

I'm overall disappointed in Kam. He's not being a "teammate" he's being childish. My son asked me if we could go shopping, I asked him why? He response: "I want a new jersey, I don't want Kams anymore" As a parent that sucks, especially when your kid is like a "superfan" of Kams. So he then proceeded to put his Kam jersey in a box, and had me put it up in his closet and we went out and bought him a new Wagner Jersey.

Kam cares about Kam, Kam doesn't care about the fans, he cares about money, Kam doesn't care about his team, he cares about money, and lastly Kam sure as hell isn't a teammate. Kam wants money, yet knows Seattle can't offer anything right now. Seattle has done more than they needed to, but Kam keeps turning them down.

If Kam "cared" (all pun intended for his charity) he would have showed up. He would have continued to lead and set positive examples. He'd be out on that training field with his teammates. He would have been at training camp with his fans and he'd BE IN SEATTLE.

Next man up.

Thats why I went with Mr Wilson. Hes not going anywhere and if he does well I have the Jersey of the first QB to lead us to the superbowl! I also have Alexander and Trufant (WSU ALUM)

 

[Evil_Shenanigans]

The FO cannot, should not, and will not budge on this. The flood gates were kicked slightly ajar when lynch held out and ultimately restructured his deal. Then negotiations with Bobby and Russell seemed to stir unrest with Kam and to a lesser extent, Michael Bennett. The FO is in damage control now to try and head off any more of these types of holdouts. I am certain that their constituents elsewhere in the league are watching with a keen eye as to how Seattle negotiates its way through this mess. And I am sure one misstep will draw much fire from those same people should it make their own personnel attempt such shenanigans, to say nothing of the NFLPA’s view of things.

I am not a professional in these types of things but as a fan I wish Kam would just do the right thing and honor his contract and come back while the season is still entirely in front of us. It seems that this thing may in fact be getting away from him and his pride is all that is left. If (!) there is in fact an injury motivating this holdout then it should have been addressed in the off season, rather than hoping it would get better and waiting until now to attempt some cockamamie holdout as cover. I don’t personally subscribe to this line of thought but it has been discussed here. If he wanted to be traded he should say so and at least the team could then start shopping him around a little more aggressively than they seemingly already are.

The damage is mounting! The Team has lost an LOB member, an All Pro SS, a Team Captain and locker room leader as well as a major fan favorite. Should he be replaced in those first four roles [as it now sounds like he may have] it could prove rather difficult (and costly) to undo! And it would be a major disservice to the young guys like Dion Bailey who put it all out there and legitimately earned a spot on this team only to then be benched or worse because Kam changed his mind at the 11th hour.

 

[Exittium]

I'm overall disappointed in Kam. He's not being a "teammate" he's being childish. My son asked me if we could go shopping, I asked him why? He response: "I want a new jersey, I don't want Kams anymore" As a parent that sucks, especially when your kid is like a "superfan" of Kams. So he then proceeded to put his Kam jersey in a box, and had me put it up in his closet and we went out and bought him a new Wagner Jersey.

Kam cares about Kam, Kam doesn't care about the fans, he cares about money, Kam doesn't care about his team, he cares about money, and lastly Kam sure as hell isn't a teammate. Kam wants money, yet knows Seattle can't offer anything right now. Seattle has done more than they needed to, but Kam keeps turning them down.

If Kam "cared" (all pun intended for his charity) he would have showed up. He would have continued to lead and set positive examples. He'd be out on that training field with his teammates. He would have been at training camp with his fans and he'd BE IN SEATTLE.

Next man up.

Thats why I went with Mr Wilson. Hes not going anywhere and if he does well I have the Jersey of the first QB to lead us to the superbowl! I also have Alexander and Trufant (WSU ALUM)

i just ordered last week a wolf gray elite sherm. It was toss up between sherm and wilson lol close toss up.. next yr will be wilsons turn

 

[Maulbert]

I'm overall disappointed in Kam. He's not being a "teammate" he's being childish. My son asked me if we could go shopping, I asked him why? He response: "I want a new jersey, I don't want Kams anymore" As a parent that sucks, especially when your kid is like a "superfan" of Kams. So he then proceeded to put his Kam jersey in a box, and had me put it up in his closet and we went out and bought him a new Wagner Jersey.

Kam cares about Kam, Kam doesn't care about the fans, he cares about money, Kam doesn't care about his team, he cares about money, and lastly Kam sure as hell isn't a teammate. Kam wants money, yet knows Seattle can't offer anything right now. Seattle has done more than they needed to, but Kam keeps turning them down.

If Kam "cared" (all pun intended for his charity) he would have showed up. He would have continued to lead and set positive examples. He'd be out on that training field with his teammates. He would have been at training camp with his fans and he'd BE IN SEATTLE.

Next man up.

Thats why I went with Mr Wilson. Hes not going anywhere and if he does well I have the Jersey of the first QB to lead us to the superbowl! I also have Alexander and Trufant (WSU ALUM)

i just ordered last week a wolf gray elite sherm. It was toss up between sherm and wilson lol close toss up.. next yr will be wilsons turn

I've got 2 blue jerseys, Sherm and Wilson.

 

[Tech Worlds]

I bought a chancellor blue xlix jersey before the superbowl. Needless to say it's going to stay in the closet until this foolishness stops .

 

[Rob12]

Bottom line:

The Seahawks have to do what is RIGHT. It's not about precedent, and it's not about making Kam happy. You do what's right. And that is leaving the door open for when he decides to come back to work, under the umbrella of his current contract. That's it.

 

[Rob12]

I just want him to come back. I don't care how or why or who's in the right, I just want Kam out there patrolling the mid-range flats ready to lay monster hits on whatever fools try to catch a pass in the middle of the field, or if a RB breaks out into the second level. There's a lot of rhetoric and finger-pointing going on, but at the end of the day, I'm just a fan and I want to see Kam on the field in Seahawks blue.

We all want that. But it's not rhetoric. Something must give. And it won't be the Seahawks.