Rumor: Seahawks talking to Giants about Kam trade

[Tech Worlds]

I just want him to come back. I don't care how or why or who's in the right, I just want Kam out there patrolling the mid-range flats ready to lay monster hits on whatever fools try to catch a pass in the middle of the field, or if a RB breaks out into the second level. There's a lot of rhetoric and finger-pointing going on, but at the end of the day, I'm just a fan and I want to see Kam on the field in Seahawks blue.

Me too but not at the expense of the team.

 

[Phoenix]

“we have to go ahead.”
-Pete

I don't like it, or love it.
Come on Kam...

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/carroll-on-radio-show-no-change-on-kam-chancellor-front/

 

[Sports Hernia]

If Jax or Atlanta offered their 2nd round in 2016 I think a trade would be heavily considered.

It would look best if we could get a 1st round pick but I don't think a team who is likely to have a top 10 pick is going to give it up for Kam.

Adding Kam to young D could help turn an Avg defense into a top 10 by leading a culture change on the entire D.

If we played all year without Kam we would probably go from the #1 Defense to still being a Top 3 Defense. If our offense improves on 3rd down and in the red zone like I expect it too, it will benefit the D more than expected and could still come out as the #1 D without Kam.

Kam is just not as valuable as he thinks he is. If we lost Earl or Sherman I don't think we could hide the weaknesses and would not finish a top 5 D.

Still wouldn't do it, a 2nd isn't worth the best SS in the league. Some folks also are forgetting the cap hit this year and the 2 years after that. Either sit out or play for Seattle should be his only options.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I just want OBJ to be a Seahawk. Nothing is impossible. 2 years ago if you said Graham would be a hawk nobody would have thought that would be true.

 

[Seahwkgal]

No! Not gonna happen. Let Kam sit, pout and lose money. He deserves it and that is exactly what the FO will do.

 

[seabowl]

I just want OBJ to be a Seahawk. Nothing is impossible. 2 years ago if you said Graham would be a hawk nobody would have thought that would be true.

ROY and the Giants aren't in cap hell like the Aints were. Unless we send picks with Kam no way this happens. Maybe they would do JPP but 99% no trade with Giants go through.

 

[Rob12]

Why would the Giants trade OBJ for Kam? Let's please just stop that nonsense. OBJ is on the short list of the best offensive playmakers in football. Trading him for a 27 year old safety, albeit an elite one, is nothing more than a wet dream. Not only that, but Kam is WAY more valuable to this team than OBJ would ever be. So can we please just stop with that nonsense?

 

[Rob12]

Side note: My neighbor just told me that Kam "will be in St. Louis week one." As in present in the city. He said he read this "somewhere" but couldn't remember where. Anyone else know what he's talking about? Seems like he's smoking crack.

 

[hawknation2015]

According to Carroll . . . false.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/bcondotta/status/641027437199888384[/tweet]

 

[Rob12]

According to Carroll . . . false.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/bcondotta/status/641027437199888384[/tweet]

Yeah, figured as much. This was also the same guy who said he had an inside source and Russ' new deal was for $2.5 APY so "the team could stay together." My optimistic side is so damn gullible sometimes.

 

[hawknation2015]

“There have been a couple of phone calls from other teams, people just kind of wondering what is going on,” Carroll said. “We’re really not interested in talking to them about that, so we just don’t.”

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... hancellor/

 

[chris98251]

So if we win a Super Bowl this year and Russell Wilson want's to re negotiate with his Hold out Baseball agent we get to do this again next year ? :stirthepot:

 

[Rob12]

So if we win a Super Bowl this year and Russell Wilson want's to re negotiate with his Hold out Baseball agent we get to do this again next year ? :stirthepot:

Just stand firm. Like they're doing with Kam.

For whoever else pulls this moving forward, stand pat and let them sit if that's what they choose to do. This can't end up being the place where you sign and get two cracks at free agency before your current contract is out of its infancy.

Bottom line, PCJS are always going to put a competitive team on the field, no matter how the moving parts act.

And I know you're not serious, but it's not all that far fetched.

 

[Bobblehead]

I figured out a way for Kam to come back while saving face.

Simple really, he fires his agent and blames the agent for bad info.
Just come back to camp and be aghast that his agent could give him such bad bad advice.

Kam might even slip the agent a parting fee, or rehire him back later, but at least then Kam can lay blame to someone else and plead ignorance(though ignorance is no excuse, he can still).

Might be a solution, because right now they are all dug in and pride is just not going to let Kam change and JS can't change.

 

[Rob12]

Beautiful thing about pride is how humbling it can be. Kam has little leverage and the Hawks aren't budging now or in the foreseeable future. AP treatment. This D can and will still be great with Dion playing next to Earl.

 

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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...awks-says-trade-inquiries-made-kam-chancellor
"There have been a couple phone calls from other teams, people just kind of wondering what's going on," Carroll said. "We really are not interested in talking to them about that, so we don't."

 

[Rob12]

I love Carroll's response.

How do the Seahawks not hold all the cards here? I mean honestly? You want more money, the answer is no. For your position, you're compensated extremely well. We're not breaking precedent and renegotiating your deal with three years left. We have this kid, Dion Bailey, that is not you but can play. You've already eclipsed $1 million in fines and once St. Louis rolls around, it's more than a quarter of a million a game.

Just stand pat, Hawks... Win without him, like we all know you will. Let him sit his ass in Virginia.

 

[Rob12]

So let's recap... The Seahawks aren't talking to anyone about trading Kam. Unless it's for a couple of first round picks? Make that offer asinine as ****, PCJS. Let the man sit and lose his millions. Time to flex.

 

[themunn]

Kam was the first of the core players to get paid.

Yes, because he was one of the first core players to be drafted (in 2010) on a 5th round rookie contract that was coming in to its last year. The only other core players drafted in 2010 were Thomas and Okung - one on a 5 year contract and the other on a 6 year contract - both of them paying very handsomely.

Don't act like the Seahawks did Chancellor a massive favour by making him the first to be paid. As is always the case, Kam was first up and so he got a decent contract - but that contract has since been made to look a lot more ordinary by the other contracts being signed. He's now the 7th highest paid player on the defense, and only slightly better paid the KJ. The team even opted to pay Cary Williams $6m a year when he's yet to prove he's anything more than a league average contract.

Kam signed a contract when he was one of the top strong safeties in the game. But we're here 2 years later and he's no longer one of the top guys, he is the guy that is way ahead by a considerable distance. Now you can definitely look at it two ways - Kam is never going to voluntarily say "hey, I've not been living up to my contract, you should give me a cut", but the team might very well come along and say "Kam, you haven't been living up to your contract, you need to reduce your salary or we'll cut you" - which is exactly what they did to a key offensive player and fan favourite in Zach Miller.

Now Chancellor is in the exact opposite scenario where he is definitely outplaying his contract. Yes, it's a nice average earner at $7m a year, but look at the top SS contracts, guys like Donte Whitner, Reshad Jones, Aaron Williams and Morgan Burnett are all getting paid $6m plus a year. Ask yourself, if you could trade straight up for one of these guys and clear Kam's salary off the books and pay one of these guys instead would you do it? I say absolutely no chance, he is head and shoulders above these guys both figuratively and literally, and other than cap structure concerns, there's no reason not to pay him that way.

And on a separate point - one thing I read on this site over and over again is that "contracts are all about the guaranteed money, anything else is just fluff". Doesn't that mean the rest of Kam's contract is just fluff?

I'm not saying Seattle should go out and pay Chancellor $10m a year, but I bear absolutely no ill will towards him for looking at the situation and thinking "I deserve more here".

 

[Scottemojo]

Kam was the first of the core players to get paid.

Yes, because he was one of the first core players to be drafted (in 2010) on a 5th round rookie contract that was coming in to its last year. The only other core players drafted in 2010 were Thomas and Okung - one on a 5 year contract and the other on a 6 year contract - both of them paying very handsomely.

Don't act like the Seahawks did Chancellor a massive favour by making him the first to be paid. As is always the case, Kam was first up and so he got a decent contract - but that contract has since been made to look a lot more ordinary by the other contracts being signed. He's now the 7th highest paid player on the defense, and only slightly better paid the KJ. The team even opted to pay Cary Williams $6m a year when he's yet to prove he's anything more than a league average contract.

Kam signed a contract when he was one of the top strong safeties in the game. But we're here 2 years later and he's no longer one of the top guys, he is the guy that is way ahead by a considerable distance. Now you can definitely look at it two ways - Kam is never going to voluntarily say "hey, I've not been living up to my contract, you should give me a cut", but the team might very well come along and say "Kam, you haven't been living up to your contract, you need to reduce your salary or we'll cut you" - which is exactly what they did to a key offensive player and fan favourite in Zach Miller.

Now Chancellor is in the exact opposite scenario where he is definitely outplaying his contract. Yes, it's a nice average earner at $7m a year, but look at the top SS contracts, guys like Donte Whitner, Reshad Jones, Aaron Williams and Morgan Burnett are all getting paid $6m plus a year. Ask yourself, if you could trade straight up for one of these guys and clear Kam's salary off the books and pay one of these guys instead would you do it? I say absolutely no chance, he is head and shoulders above these guys both figuratively and literally, and other than cap structure concerns, there's no reason not to pay him that way.

And on a separate point - one thing I read on this site over and over again is that "contracts are all about the guaranteed money, anything else is just fluff". Doesn't that mean the rest of Kam's contract is just fluff?

I'm not saying Seattle should go out and pay Chancellor $10m a year, but I bear absolutely no ill will towards him for looking at the situation and thinking "I deserve more here".

I think you present a lucid argument.
But then again, Kam signed it. and if his agent at the time didn't tell him go for 4, not 5, or let's get better injury guarantees in that thing, that is on Kam, not the Hawks.
3 years left. And I know you make a good point with the guaranteed money thing, but Kam is getting paid well this year, not cut, so even though not a G year, it may as well be. If he shows up.

I am not taking his stand personal. But he is negotiating in bad faith. From a position of weakness on a deal he signed. And potentially allowing anohter guy to make him more expendable, which will only further weaken his position.

Imagine Bennett had done the same thing as Kam. What would we be saying about Frank Clark now? We would be calling Frank by the name of Bennett who?